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Seattle Uber Black Drivers: Seeking Guidance for New Program Supporting DV Survivors

1.6K views 10 replies 5 participants last post by  Lotibruin  
#1 ·
Hi everyone,

I’m preparing to drive Uber Black in Seattle and am about to purchase a Tesla Model X (seven-seater) for this purpose. The car loan will be in the name of my Oregon Benefit LLC. I’ve been driving in Portland using a rented vehicle, so there were very few requirements.

Can you tell me what I need to drive Uber Black in Seattle if my LLC buys this Model X? I will essentially be leasing the vehicle from my own company. I’ve seen a ton of requirements listed in threads here, but when I talked to Uber customer service, they didn’t mention any of this.

Which of the following items are required to get started with Uber Black in Seattle, and how/where do I get them?
• Chauffeur license
• Limo certification
• Seatac airport permit
• Commercial vehicle registration
• Commercial vehicle insurance

I also need to understand commercial vehicle insurance better. Is this required for all Uber Black drivers? I’ve seen people quote $750 a month! Is this accurate?

I work with women escaping violence and am launching an initiative to help them, located between Seattle and Portland (closer to Seattle). My plan is to provide the women who want to drive rideshare full-time Tesla vehicles—primarily Model Y—on short-term leases (three to six months). These vehicles would help them gain independence, earn income, and even allow them to relocate as long as they stay within the states of Oregon or Washington. They will essentially be able to take their car and job with them if they need to relocate frequently for safety.

For future planning, I’m trying to decide if the Model Y is the right choice for the majority of these vehicles, or if I should consider other models like the S or X.

Here are my key questions:

1. Does the type of Uber Black-qualified vehicle affect the types of trips you get or how much you earn? For example, is there an advantage to using a Model S for its luxury or a Model X for its size and third-row seating?

2. Does the system favor SUVs more, or are Model Y vehicles sufficient?

3. Do Uber Black drivers receive trips from other categories (like UberX), or are they limited to Black trips only?

Lastly, while driving in Portland, Uber said I could create a Black account in Seattle if I had a qualifying vehicle, and keep my standard account active in Portland. Does that mean Uber Black operates as a completely separate account where drivers only receive Uber Black trips?

Your insights would really help me make better decisions about how to structure this initiative and set these women up for success. My objective isn’t to make a lot of money but rather to provide as many women as possible with this opportunity, which means keeping their costs as low as possible while still remaining profitable.

They also need to be able to live off their earnings, which isn’t the easiest feat in rideshare. My hope was that providing them with Uber Black-qualified vehicles would do the trick.

Thanks so much in advance for your advice!
 
#2 ·
$750 month insurance is cheap. Ask you hub on online hub. Don't count on ubers answers. The Tesla is not good for blk. As if you have hi end customers. It's to small. You want suv. = higher pay. You will lose alot of 6 passenger rides to bigger suvs.
I cannot answer all your questions. But it's good you asked alot. Seattle may be a decent market for this ask on Seattle board. Many too many blk cars. All will lie anyway.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Uber (the company) may give you incorrect information because the support person reading your email is too lazy to look it up.

Next is the insurance… $750 is about right, honestly I would expect a commercial policy to be about 5 times a regular policy, keep in mind you are literally making a 1 car chauffeur company and that’s the insurance you are paying for)


so here’s a very common problem with uber black, (Lyfts high end service as well, same reasons)

you can shell out a truly massive amount of money for a high end car and then uber can without warning do any of the following,

1. shut down the uber black service in your market
2. Remove your car from the uber list or black eligible vehicles
3. Block you from working for uber completely over false accusations.

I’m literally saying one day you’ll just get a memo that in 30-60 days (that’s all the warning, if you even get that much) and your Tesla is no longer eligible for uber black, you won’t be grandfathered in. Your service is just cut completely and all you can do is X/Xl.

another thing, have you worked uber black in a rental?

The demand isnt nearly as high as it is for the lower services. I don’t care what market we are talking about, every market you have to take lower level fares just to keep your wheels spinning. OR just accept that certain hours aren’t worth turning your engine on for,

I occasionally drive black in Orlando in a rental and here’s the deal.

most nights I won’t get one single black fare. I get chauffeur fares or I don’t get the car period but a lot of nights there’s just no high end uber fares and I end up taking some Xls out of sheer boredom.

That really doesn’t work when you own your own car,

The higher end services are much more sensitive to better weeks and much more impacted by slow weeks, people just don’t get a limo from the airport on a random Tuesday on a night the airport is slow,

Personally… going uber black is about the worst thing you could do long term, if something happens you might be stuck upside down on a car loan you can’t afford in a car that can’t do anything more expensive than uberX.

that is a really bad position to be in in.

Other notes…

you might not be able to secure financing to use a car as a chauffeur vehicle. Many many of the car loans are unable to be used for that purpose, because once you get that vehicle registered for that purpose the value plummets like a stone relative to a vehicle of the same make/model and age.

id it’s a busy week I’ll drop $100 for a chauffeur car for 12 hours. I would never condone anything more long term than a week long commitment.

The vast majority of my criticisms are universal accross the board, it’s possible the rich jerks in Seattle will pay top dollar for limos 24/7/365. Frankly I doubt it, also keep in mind the other drivers you’re competing against will all be Full timers meaning the number of them on the road will hardly ever vary week to week, further making slow weeks suck,

One more note… the model y has a flaw that isn’t super apparent I had a model Y I ended up selling it. The build quality was pretty shitty and the thing just didn’t hold up. I would never try to use it as a limo or even dumber a taxi/ubermobile,

it can either take 4 passengers with luggage or 7 passengers without. If can’t really do both, it’s not even close to being do both. Which means it won’t really work well taking xl or suv fares to/from the airport, which is a huge portion of the high end business in my experience,

and if the vehicle gets delisted off uber black/suv it won’t really work for XL. Which means… yeah it’s not even ideal for XL.

so your plan is great,

except it’s the wrong car
For a risky service
For a sociopathic company
Please rethink this.
 
#5 ·
One more gigantic thing that Uber could do is remove black car. From your area and replace it with premiere.Now you're stuck with a black car.. in philadelphia, they got rid of black car and switched to premiere, so they can do upfront pricing and not have commercial insurance, which means the pay will be lower.
What I meant by lying to you? If your market is very good on black car, the drivers will tell you it's not so you'll never get an honest answer. Why would they give up their honeyhole?Or good areas.
 
#9 ·
The white van photos are stuff I found on the internet. It's not 10 suitcases, the outer layer is 10 lol. You cn go 20 or 30 honsetly.

I've done parties of 10-14 with multiple vehicles and we've gotten the luggage for all 14 in one van while wating for number 2 to show up.

Sso yes those vans CAN mechancally take another row. But there'ss 2 issues wiith that. 1. Luggage space (again) 2. Arbitrary limit in Florida on number of seats in a taxi. It looks like you can fit an extra row in there but honstly it's needed for luggage space moroe often than an extra 2 seats.

Fun thing about the Wav van is that I can still get some XL trips to the airport. Party of 2-4 that requests a van can get manually adjusted to a wav van by dispatch. Usually a fare in the suburbs or downtown can reflagged for Wav. Or I have a party of 4 earlier in the week that needs a bigger vehicle (luggage plus stroller for example) but only 4 pax.


Transsit van-
7 Passengers Luggage space for 10-15

Model-y
3-row 6 passengers Luggage space for 2-3
2- row 4 passengers luggagee space for 4.

Transt vans are XL vehcles. Model y Are 100% not.