[ObeyTheNumbers]

Uber is not capitalist, they're CRONY capitalist. They'd be out of business without the billions of dollars their drivers receive in public assistance.


The "no one is forcing you..." line is Uber Kool Aid spiked with narcissism. Virtually every shill uses that tired piece of shit line.


Another tired amoral narcissistic line overused by apologists. Is that how you deal with the people in your life? Is that how your employers and others deal with you?

When you want your lawn mowed do you try to hire your neighbor's kid for a penny on the dollar? Why not? If he's willing to do it that cheap why should you offer more? I don't believe for a second you'd dare do something like that.

As far as Uber is concerned they're a bunch of slimy disgusting cowards. It's easy to make hideous pay offers thousands of miles away electronically when they don't have to face the drivers in person. I'd like to see those piece of shit soulless cowards at Uber HQ make their $2 for 13 mile Eats offers to a driver's face. They wouldn't of course.

How about "You signed the contract, now either accept the gig or decline it"

Each and every ping screen one gets to decide either way.

I've created the $1+ per odometer mile formula just so ignorants can know what to accept and what to decline.

Someone may actually want to go 300 miles in one direction for any price as they are headed home. Why a destination filter.

What Uber doesn't do is give preference to someone who wants a trip like that, still just chooses the closest driver who gets pissed.

 

[bobby747]

Nats some things I agree. But you need therapy. Or a new job. You are under to much stress. Relax. It will not get better. You better change first..Uber wont...seriously. not being an ass.

 

[Chansley]

Paying more.. wake tfu. Not to many times this happens.

There’s a driver on this forum who has posted proof that he has done so, ie gotten more from Uber than Uber got from his riders, week after week. (It means driving the craziest hours when nobody wants to work. It can be done, but it’s not fun.)

 

[ObeyTheNumbers]

....Human just needs to get commercial livery insurance...

That's the catch, one vehicle 24/7 commercial insurance for a vehicle for hire is NOT CHEAP.

Ubers commercial insurance is on the trip, a substantial savings.

Then there is another problem, customers want to be picked up quick, so tend to choose what is fastest, Ubers being plentiful are close by. A fancier vehicle will take longer and usually require a reservation, like to an airport. Not as much demand in the high end market and a rental car doubles as local transportation.

 

[bobby747]

Sure it can happen. Like last nt if I worked the buffalo gm. But day in and out no way. I got alot of rides over 9+ years.
Do 10 rides this am 1 will pay more than uber charged 9 wont.

 

[Wild Bill Yahoo]

Uber is not capitalist, they're CRONY capitalist. They'd be out of business without the billions of dollars their drivers receive in public assistance.


The "no one is forcing you..." line is Uber Kool Aid spiked with narcissism. Virtually every shill uses that tired piece of shit line.


Another tired amoral narcissistic line overused by apologists. Is that how you deal with the people in your life? Is that how your employers and others deal with you?

When you want your lawn mowed do you try to hire your neighbor's kid for a penny on the dollar? Why not? If he's willing to do it that cheap why should you offer more? I don't believe for a second you'd dare do something like that.

As far as Uber is concerned they're a bunch of slimy disgusting cowards. It's easy to make hideous pay offers thousands of miles away electronically when they don't have to face the drivers in person. I'd like to see those piece of shit soulless cowards at Uber HQ make their $2 for 13 mile Eats offers to a driver's face. They wouldn't of course.

Anyone who disagrees with you is an Uber shill and narcissist. Got it.

You are looking for govt regulation to come in and save the day. You are looking for Seattle rates nationwide. You are looking for the original 80/20 split to be restored along with the Seattle rates.

Dreamings free I guess.

Most people will simply utilize the decline button for all offers that don't meet their needs. A single digit acceptance rate isn't going to affect your ability to receive pings. Just be more selective in what you accept, your blood pressure will thank you.

 

[bobby747]

Anyone who disagrees with you is an Uber shill and narcissist. Got it.

You are looking for govt regulation to come in and save the day. You are looking for Seattle rates nationwide. You are looking for the original 80/20 split to be restored along with the Seattle rates.

Dreamings free I guess.

Most people will simply utilize the decline button for all offers that don't meet their needs. A single digit acceptance rate isn't going to affect your ability to receive pings. Just be more selective in what you accept, your blood pressure will thank you.

Truth

 

[UberPotomac]

Human is free to offer rides off Ubear and Lyft. In fact bear gets texts from a competing service in your market ("Empower"), but bear does not live there so bear does not sign up. Human just needs to get commercial livery insurance.

Bears are lazy and have lower income needs than humans (bears just need food, not clothing or shelter), so bears are fat and happy with Ubear and Lyft.

If human is unhappy, maybe he needs a new pappy?

You definitely need to change dispensary to a much higher quality .

 

[UberPotomac]

Last week it was 50% 😂

The fact is, depending upon one's location and state, local taxes, fees etc., it may seem based upon Customer Fare Price minus Driver Pay is....

.... What Uber Took For Itself, when actually Uber is required by law to take extra from the fare and Give It Freely To The Lawmakers To Spend.

In my Red State, business friendly, job creating market there isn't any such extra lawmaker induced costs, so we only have the $10 booking fee. Uber Takes For Itself about 25% which jibes with their quarterly reports.

If you increase the costs to do business, it's the drivers who are going to suffer. And many so called drivers here (from Soviet Russia I bet) want EVEN MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL?

Why can't customer fare prices be raised? Because the market will bare only so much and then demand destruction occurs.

What we have here is Socialism destruction at its finest. The stupid believe it's all Ubers fault without checking their online account trip info to see where the money went.

Why people need to vote Republican. Not everyone is perfect, but generally the Congress so there are many to keep America from becoming the cesspool of California. 😂

Uber isn’t “doing anything.” The Biden administration’s awful handling of the economy and it’s letting millions of low skilled migrants into the country, probably well above ten million migrants, has created a huge glut of drivers and reduced the number of riders. Uber can only look what drivers expect to pay and riders will pay and match them, minus money for expenses and quests and bonus etc. if the economy was roaring and the border wasn’t open to millions of unskilled workers, Uber would be paying you ridiculous amounts of money.

Blame Biden or whoever runs his teleprompter, not Uber.

"They are following the laws. Conservatives can always help to change them, but they won't because they need all these people to cut their lawn, cook their food, care for the elderly, and their children. The only reason we receive immigrants is because Americans won't do those jobs. The day you accept that most ignorant racists whining about immigration are as useful as a mop, you understand how ungrateful you are to the same people that make possible your standard of living. Look around you in any restaurant, construction site, food packing plant, or farmland. Who do you think does the heavy lifting? Because I am sure it is not you?"

 

[OldChicagoDriver]

Rich liberals need nannies and people to cut their lawns as well. It's a complicated issue or it would have been solved.

 

[UberPotomac]

Rich liberals need nannies and people to cut their lawns as well. It's a complicated issue or it would have been solved.

No doubt. Won’t argue on both points. And both sides will have to compromise if they ever want to fix this broken system . Nobody will get what they want. I just hate the hipócrisy of peole that complaint but refused to collaborate into fixing the issue at hand . It tells us that is not the reality issue . It is just a talking point to air their grievances .

 

[Chansley]

Why do you believe that you know what my race is?

Why do you think that I wouldn’t prefer to pay somewhat more so that working class Americans can get a livab wage rather than import immigrants to work for less?

Why do you now know that when you import immigrant to work for peanuts they get much more from the government than they pay the government in taxes, and that much more comes from other people’s taxes. It’s not the average American who makes money off of cheap immigrant labor but a few employers who pay low wages and get everyone else to support their poorly paid workers.

You can do better.

"They are following the laws. Conservatives can always help to change them, but they won't because they need all these people to cut their lawn, cook their food, care for the elderly, and their children. The only reason we receive immigrants is because Americans won't do those jobs. The day you accept that most ignorant racists whining about immigration are as useful as a mop, you understand how ungrateful you are to the same people that make possible your standard of living. Look around you in any restaurant, construction site, food packing plant, or farmland. Who do you think does the heavy lifting? Because I am sure it is not you?"

 

[Jon Stoppable]

I'd like to see those piece of shit soulless cowards at Uber HQ make their $2 for 13 mile Eats offers to a driver's face. They wouldn't of course

Almost all restos in the US work that way, the servers get paid the tipped minimum (federal is $2.13), and tips have to cover the rest of the min wage. A server has to suck pretty bad to not at least double the full fed min wage.

Bear cannot deliver food for obvious reasons, but bear does not have any trouble netting above the $12 VA min wage daydriving pax in bear's forest market. Bear could have a 100% AR and still hit $12 per hour.

The only market humans have posted where that might not be likely is places in FL. Kill and eat the old humans, and that problem is solved!

 

[UberPotomac]

Why do you believe that you know what my race is?

Why do you think that I wouldn’t prefer to pay somewhat more so that working class Americans can get a livab wage rather than import immigrants to work for less?

Why do you now know that when you import immigrant to work for peanuts they get much more from the government than they pay the government in taxes, and that much more comes from other people’s taxes. It’s not the average American who makes money off of cheap immigrant labor but a few employers who pay low wages and get everyone else to support their poorly paid workers.

You can do better.

I do not know your race and in my opinion is irrelevant.


"livable wage? The only way to get that will be with strong unions and regulations, both of which I assume you oppose. But it's easier to blame the immigrants. The average American DOES NOT WANT TO TAKE THOSE JOBS. I cannot be more clear. When was the last time you applied for a cook position or a janitor? And please, immigrants don’t get help from the Government. That is another fallacy. Only lazy bums sitting on the porch all day live off Government benefits."

 

[Chansley]

The jobs you say that “Americans don’t want to take” are jobs that Americans don’t want to take AT THOSE WAGES. If Americans thought that those jobs had excellent salaries, they’d be standing in long lines to apply for them

You say that immigrants “don’t get help from the government.”

who do you believe builds the roads that immigrants use?

who do you believe provides the police that keep immigrants safe?

who do you believe runs the emergency rooms and Medicaid where immigrants go?

who do you believe runs the schools where immigrants send their kids?

The government. And who pays for the government? Well some people pay lots of taxes and some people don’t have to. The people who can’t pay lots of taxes get more in services from the government than they pay. The people who have to pay lots of taxes get less from the government than they pay. Immigrants with poorly paid jobs get more services than they pay for.

Unions can get together and set prices, but they can’t make sure that they get their members work. If an Uber union would force Uber to pay every driver a million dollars a year, there would be a very few very rich Uber drivers, but most people would stop riding Uber and most Uber drivers would loss their job with Uber. In countries were unions have raised the salaries for all professions above the market rate, all professions have a lot of unemployment. So no, unions can’t make unlimited amounts of jobs. If you, however, don’t let immigrants who cost more than they contribute in, that will raise the wages for people doing low paid work to the extent that they can be raised without causing massive unemployment.

I do not know your race and in my opinion is irrelevant.


"livable wage? The only way to get that will be with strong unions and regulations, both of which I assume you oppose. But it's easier to blame the immigrants. The average American DOES NOT WANT TO TAKE THOSE JOBS. I cannot be more clear. When was the last time you applied for a cook position or a janitor? And please, immigrants don’t get help from the Government. That is another fallacy. Only lazy bums sitting on the porch all day live off Government benefits."

 

[UberPotomac]

The jobs you say that “Americans don’t want to take” are jobs that Americans don’t want to take AT THOSE WAGES. If Americans thought that those jobs had excellent salaries, they’d be standing in long lines to apply for them

You say that immigrants “don’t get help from the government.”

who do you believe builds the roads that immigrants use?

who do you believe provides the police that keep immigrants safe?

who do you believe runs the emergency rooms and Medicaid where immigrants go?

who do you believe runs the schools where immigrants send their kids?

The government. And who pays for the government? Well some people pay lots of taxes and some people don’t have to. The people who can’t pay lots of taxes get more in services from the government than they pay. The people who have to pay lots of taxes get less from the government than they pay. Immigrants with poorly paid jobs get more services than they pay for.

Unions can get together and set prices, but they can’t make sure that they get their members work. If an Uber union would force Uber to pay every driver a million dollars a year, there would be a very few very rich Uber drivers, but most people would stop riding Uber and most Uber drivers would loss their job with Uber. In countries were unions have raised the salaries for all professions above the market rate, all professions have a lot of unemployment. So no, unions can’t make unlimited amounts of jobs. If you, however, don’t let immigrants who cost more than they contribute in, that will raise the wages for people doing low paid work to the extent that they can be raised without causing massive unemployment.

"Never happened. Companies won’t raise wages unless they have to, and YES, Americans won’t take those jobs at any wage. When is the last time you saw a line on a farm to pick produce? Or working in a hospital taking care of the elderly? And the part that immigrants cost more is another lie. They contribute much more to the economy than they get back. I know it's a hard fact to swallow, but you've been screwed by your own greedy wealthy with their corporations,like UBER and Lyft , their push for lack of labor regulations, and just plain greed. Don’t wed to continue to look no further."

 

[Chansley]

"Never happened. Companies won’t raise wages unless they have to, and YES, Americans won’t take those jobs at any wage. When is the last time you saw a line on a farm to pick produce? Or working in a hospital taking care of the elderly? And the part that immigrants cost more is another lie. They contribute much more to the economy than they get back. I know it's a hard fact to swallow, but you've been screwed by your own greedy wealthy with their corporations,like UBER and Lyft , their push for lack of labor regulations, and just plain greed. Don’t wed to continue to look no further."

Are you seriously claiming that people won’t do less glamorous jobs for any amount of money? Seriously?

As for “contributing to the economy” how do you measure that? If you can’t measure it, it’s a phrase without meaning.

It’s relatively easy to calculate how much police, schools, hospitals, prisons etc cost per taxpayer, and then look at who pays how much in taxes. I’m pretty sure that people who pay 10% on their income taxes don’t contribute nearly as much as those who pay 39% on much larger incomes.

 

[SoOrDrvr]

Uber isn’t “doing anything.” The Biden administration’s awful handling of the economy and it’s letting millions of low skilled migrants into the country, probably well above ten million migrants, has created a huge glut of drivers and reduced the number of riders. Uber can only look what drivers expect to pay and riders will pay and match them, minus money for expenses and quests and bonus etc. if the economy was roaring and the border wasn’t open to millions of unskilled workers, Uber would be paying you ridiculous amounts of money.

Blame Biden or whoever runs his teleprompter, not Uber.

Those "un-skilled" migrant workers are only filling jobs that "un-skilled" 'Mericans aren't willing to take. In so far as rideshare driving - Uber / Lyft will always allow as many drivers in to play as they can - "better to collect $1 each from 500 rides, than $20 each from 20 rides! The driver's profitability is their own problem."

 

[ubergrind]

Are you seriously claiming that people won’t do less glamorous jobs for any amount of money? Seriously?

As for “contributing to the economy” how do you measure that? If you can’t measure it, it’s a phrase without meaning.

It’s relatively easy to calculate how much police, schools, hospitals, prisons etc cost per taxpayer, and then look at who pays how much in taxes. I’m pretty sure that people who pay 10% on their income taxes don’t contribute nearly as much as those who pay 39% on much larger incomes.

So are you advocating that as a percentage of taxes the middle class has a higher burden than illegals?

illegals in some cases do file taxes. Anyone, working under the table would likely not report income or file taxes. Neither would said business owner entering into agreement to avoid being taxed. Argument cuts both ways.

How do Undocumented Immigrants Pay Federal Taxes? An Explainer | Bipartisan Policy Center

As Tax Day 2018 approaches, it is worth exploring a pressing question that is widely misunderstood: do undocumented immigrants pay federal taxes?

bipartisanpolicy.org

On a percentage basis wealthy pay much less in taxes than anyone else. They also make a good portion of money from investments which are taxed at a lower rate.

The problem with advocating for a living wage is that will increase cost across the board. Much like an increase in minimum wage business owner will increase cost to maintain margins.

The country was built on an exploitative labor since its founding. I.e. African slaves, Chinese laborers, migrant farmers, non English speaking immigrants. Americans of today aren’t taking those jobs unless you substantially increase pay and protections.

Immigrants in the Progressive Era | Progressive Era to New Era, 1900-1929 | U.S. History Primary Source Timeline | Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress | Library of Congress

Between 1900 and 1915, more than 15 million immigrants arrived in the United States. That was about equal to the number of immigrants who had arrived in the previous 40 years combined.

www.loc.gov

Labor movement in America was born out of poor conditions for workers at this time.

 

[Chansley]

I do not agree that the rich generally pay fewer taxes, at least on a percentage basis. Yeah, I’m sure that some of them have excellent tax lawyers, who help them to pay very little taxes, but that’s not the case generally and the more money you make the higher income tax bracket.
But it really doesn’t matter because the percentage doesn’t matter, but rather how much you pay all in all.

But it really doesn’t matter because the percentage doesn’t matter, but rather how much you pay all in all. if you pay 20 times as much in taxes as someone else that’s what the government has to work with and the government doesn’t really care what the tax brackets were.

I am not a big fan of calling wages exploitative as long as there is no coercion. But I think it’s bad for the country to let people in who cost more than they contribute, especially if they drive wages for low income people down, and even more so if their children are likely to also cost more than they contribute. America should try to cherry pick the people who contribute more than they cost.

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On a percentage basis wealthy pay much less in taxes than anyone else. They also make a good portion of money from investments which are taxed at a lower rate.

The problem with advocating for a living wage is that will increase cost across the board. Much like an increase in minimum wage business owner will increase cost to maintain margins.

The country was built on an exploitative labor since its founding. I.e. African slaves, Chinese laborers, migrant farmers, non English speaking immigrants. Americans of today aren’t taking those jobs unless you substantially increase pay and protections.

Immigrants in the Progressive Era | Progressive Era to New Era, 1900-1929 | U.S. History Primary Source Timeline | Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress | Library of Congress

Between 1900 and 1915, more than 15 million immigrants arrived in the United States. That was about equal to the number of immigrants who had arrived in the previous 40 years combined.

www.loc.gov

Labor movement in America was born out of poor conditions for workers at this time.