[Spotscat]

Does anyone have any actual verifiable confirmation that also carrying a ball and glove will get you out of potential trouble from carrying a bat in your car in the US?
Or that carrying a bat alone is actionable?

In the wake of the Heller case, there have been other court cases involving the keeping and bearing of non-firearm weapons, namely bludgeons, blades, and stun guns. Most, if not all, were victories for the causes of self defense and the 2nd Amendment. Given that, there should be no need to also carry a ball and glove when carrying a bat.

This is from an attorney in Orange County, California --

http://socallawblog.blogspot.com/2014/02/what-kinds-of-weapons-can-i-legally.html

"Class 1: Weapons that are illegal to own, possess, manufacture, import, sell, loan, give away, offer for sale, etc. Put simply, these weapons are ILLEGAL in California for any purpose. Theoretically, you could be arrested just for having them in your own home for self-defense (subject to some exceptions).

• Any type of billy club, blackjack, sap, sandbag, sandclub, sap or slungshot (this is not a typo. a "slungshot", also called a "monkey fist", is a weighted ball on a rope). Courts have determined that "billy club" includes any type of bat, stick, club or baton if it's kept for use as a weapon, even for home defense. Wait, that can't be right. But it is. Keeping a baseball bat under your bed as a weapon for home defense is arguably illegal in California. That's right, a loaded shotgun under the bed = legal. Baseball bat under the bed = illegal. Of course, it would be virtually impossible for police to enforce this absurd law unless the bat were used to commit some sort of crime. In the absence of some other criminal activity, courts would likely find that the 2nd Amendment's Right to Bear Arms trumps California's nonsensical rule against club-type weapons in the home for self-defense."

Later on he writes --

"Even if you are found to be in possession of an item that fits the legal description of a prohibited weapon, you might have a compelling argument that the item itself is not actually a "weapon". If it's an antique, an heirloom, a movie prop or the possessor has some innocent explanation for the item, then the item might not be a "weapon" within the meaning of the law. For example, a baseball bat could be used to play baseball or it could be used to break the knees of a rival bookie. If a person is found in possession of a baseball bat, a baseball glove, a bucket of baseballs and a pair of baseball cleats, then the bat itself is clearly a piece of sporting equipment and not a weapon. Of course, baseball bats may be used to legally play baseball in California. On the other hand, if a person is found with a baseball bat behind the seat of his car, with no other sporting goods in the vehicle, he's going to be arrested on suspicion of carrying an illegal baton."

Granted, this is a California-based attorney, and what is illegal in the Golden State may or may not be illegal in the other 49 states or Canada.

If you want to carry just a baseball bat, be my guest. Personally, I'd think it would be in my best legal interests to also carry a ball and glove, but that's just me. Or, in the words of Remo Gaggi - "Why take a chance?"

And for the record - I don't carry a bat, ball, or glove. I have three hundred and fifty-seven reasons not to.

 

[Robert finnly]

Did you get your money?

 

[Bluebird97]

I-275 is Novi's closest freeway going South. If you would have stayed on that, it eventually turns into I-75. You would have completely bypassed any construction on 75 between 96 and Northline where it is shut down.

 

[TNCMinWage]

Can someone give me one good reason why a pax should be allowed to cancel a ride while its active? For the life of me, I can't figure out why this is even a "feature" from our beloved tech companies.

 

[221CNY_UBERdrver]

Do not ask for tips up front . Inform them you charge a Deadhead Surcharge, payable before you accept the ride, in cash (unless you're like me and have a card reader and its app). You could be it on calculated trip time, or distance. I've seen $0.50 per mile for that surcharge mentioned. I look at it from a time perspective based on expected drive time per Waze or other app that takes traffic and road conditions into consideration.

If you use $0.50 there's not all that much difference between charging based on time or distance. For example, going from Herkimer, NY (Thruway #30) to NYC is about 3hrs 31min or 223 miles. This can be shown to the rider, before you accept the ride. You can then explain the DHS (DeadHead Surcharge). They pay it up from or can cancel and hope for a less informed driver. You will have given them a choice, so it isn't extortion by any means. Always get it up front.

Anyway ,that's my line of thought.
Using a card reader, as I can, does mean a minor loss from them taking their cut, is still better than trying to get cash without going to an ATM which means you've accepted the ride.

 

[Uberfunitis]

Can someone give me one good reason why a pax should be allowed to cancel a ride while its active? For the life of me, I can't figure out why this is even a "feature" from our beloved tech companies.

A driver drops you off at your destination or any other place and continues to drive without ending the trip..... that would be a great reason to cancel a trip in progress.

 

[TNCMinWage]

A driver drops you off at your destination or any other place and continues to drive without ending the trip..... that would be a great reason to cancel a trip in progress.

That situation would get adjusted if it were to occur post trip. Given the rest of the problems that occur with pax canceling during a ride, I don't see this as a valid reason given it doesn't occur often.

 

[Uberfunitis]

That situation would get adjusted if it were to occur post trip. Given the rest of the problems that occur with pax canceling during a ride, I don't see this as a valid reason given it doesn't occur often.

I would say that it does occur often and is precisely the type of thing that the OP was attempting to do, he wanted to not end the trip until he returned to the state line where he was able to accept further rides.

 

[221CNY_UBERdrver]

It shouldn't allow it if the vehicle is moving, at the least.

Since they can cancel at any time, I'd always get paid my DHS (Dead Head Surcharge) up front on long trips. They have a choice to accept and pay the surcharge, or cancel the trip.

Also, if ride was accepted and milage has been recorded by system, fare should still be charged and payed, period. They can dispute it, but until resolved driver shouldn't be screwed over by not getting paid.

 

[Uberfunitis]

It shouldn't allow it if the vehicle is moving, at the least.

Since they can cancel at any time, I'd always get paid my DHS (Dead Head Surcharge) up front on long trips. They have a choice to accept and pay the surcharge, or cancel the trip.

Also, if ride was accepted and milage has been recorded by system, fare should still be charged and payed, period. They can dispute it, but until resolved driver shouldn't be screwed over by not getting paid.

I don't have a problem with your surcharge as it is agreed to before hand. I just would not cancel the ride as the passenger if I did not agree to it. I would expect you to cancel the ride as it is an additional term being applied by the driver. I agreed to pay you X for the ride if you come back and say I want X plus some amount Y than you need to cancel as it is you that has decided that the original agreement no longer is sufficient.

 

[TNCMinWage]

I would say that it does occur often and is precisely the type of thing that the OP was attempting to do, he wanted to not end the trip until he returned to the state line where he was able to accept further rides.

How do you know that this occurs often, what are you basing this on? I've had two pax cancel on me mid ride. I have never kept the meter running past a drop off. Show me some facts please.

 

[Uberfunitis]

How do you know that this occurs often, what are you basing this on? I've had two pax cancel on me mid ride. I have never kept the meter running past a drop off. Show me some facts please.

The OP indicated that is exactly what he does, I have had it happen to me as well.

 

[DirkDeadeye]

I'm guessing he didn't get his money, he didn't file a police report, and what we said was about as useful as pissing in the wind.

 

[TNCMinWage]

The OP indicated that is exactly what he does, I have had it happen to me as well.

Yes but that was part of the policy and therefore a valid reason to let the meter run past drop off (therefore no reason to let pax cancel it after drop off). That just strengthens my point - there is no valid reason that a pax should be able to cancel a ride while in progress because I think it causes more problems than it solves.

 

[UberLaLa]

1. Inform passenger up front that driver is going to do this. If passenger accepts, then driver texts passenger* and has them reply with an Acceptance to the text outlining the Extra driving back to their market.

2. If passenger disagrees to the additional miles/time surcharge, have them exit the vehicle and they Cancel the Trip. If they do not Cancel, sit and wait for the 5 minute No Show and driver cancels for the fee.

*Passenger is aware of their 'in writing' acceptance and will rarely, if ever, try to rip-off driver. If they do, driver has the text messages to show Uber.

 

[Uberfunitis]

Yes but that was part of the policy and therefore a valid reason to let the meter run past drop off (therefore no reason to let pax cancel it after drop off). That just strengthens my point - there is no valid reason that a pax should be able to cancel a ride while in progress because I think it causes more problems than it solves.

According to him it is a policy, as far as I am concerned once you drop me off if you do not end the trip than I will cancel it. If you believe that you are entitled to additional compensation than take that up with Uber. Once the passenger cancels the trip than the trip is over, drop them off. Contact Uber and let them know and work out your payment as Uber know exactly where the trip started and where it was canceled and should be able to compensate for that distance without any problem.

1. Inform passenger up front that driver is going to do this. If passenger accepts, then driver texts passenger* and has them reply with an Acceptance to the text outlining the Extra driving back to their market.

2. If passenger disagrees to the additional miles/time surcharge, have them exit the vehicle and they Cancel the Trip. If they do not Cancel, sit and wait for the 5 minute No Show and driver cancels for the fee.

*Passenger is aware of their 'in writing' acceptance and will rarely, if ever, try to rip-off driver. If they do, driver has the text messages to show Uber.

The only problem with this is that you have to start the trip to find out the destination. I as a passenger am not going to tell you where I am going before you start the trip that is not how all this works. If you refuse to follow the correct procedures than I am not worried about the cancelation fee as I will easily get it back once I report you for fraud.

 

[UberLaLa]

According to him it is a policy, as far as I am concerned once you drop me off if you do not end the trip than I will cancel it. If you believe that you are entitled to additional compensation than take that up with Uber. Once the passenger cancels the trip than the trip is over, drop them off. Contact Uber and let them know and work out your payment as Uber know exactly where the trip started and where it was canceled and should be able to compensate for that distance without any problem.

The only problem with this is that you have to start the trip to find out the destination. I as a passenger am not going to tell you where I am going before you start the trip that is not how all this works. If you refuse to follow the correct procedures than I am not worried about the cancelation fee as I will easily get it back once I report you for fraud.

No fraud to report. There are multiple legitimate ways to End/Cancel Trip in the App. Not everyone on this site is trying to work a scam. My suggestion is simply to offer a way for both sides to have a fair end result.

 

[Uberfunitis]

No fraud to report. There are multiple legitimate ways to End/Cancel Trip in the App. Not everyone on this site is trying to work a scam. My suggestion is simply to offer a way for both sides to have a fair end result.

2. If passenger disagrees to the additional miles/time surcharge, have them exit the vehicle and they Cancel the Trip. If they do not Cancel, sit and wait for the 5 minute No Show and driver cancels for the fee.

That is fraud as the passenger was there and ready for the trip, the driver just decided that he or she is not willing to drive for the already agreed upon compensation. To cancel no show expecting compensation is fraud.

 

[UberLaLa]

That is fraud as the passenger was there and ready for the trip, the driver just decided that he or she is not willing to drive for the already agreed upon compensation. To cancel no show expecting compensation is fraud.

Nope...Passenger is a 'No Show' - they are unwilling to Show Up for the negotiation of the Independent Contractor's Terms.

 

[Uberfunitis]

Nope...Passenger is a 'No Show' - they are unwilling to Show Up for the negotiation of the Independent Contractor's Terms.

Like I said easy to get the money back from Uber after you report the driver for fraud. I will let you fight that out with Uber as to if it is fraud or not as I have my money back and no longer care what the outcome is.