[UberBlackDriverLA]

This doesn't make sense. Contractors can't be fired?

That's correct... if you are fired WITHOUT CAUSE, that makes you an employee. In other words, you can fire an employee with no reason needed or without cause. To terminate a contractor, a violation of the contract needed to take place.... there needed to be CAUSE for the termination. So if the driver was terminated without violating the contract, they were most likely an employee and can file for unemployment.

 

[Go4]

The ride you cancel can't harm you because he or she don't have you any more on them apps.. look in you closet if I might say that what you have beside that

The ride you cancel can't RATE you, but they sure harm you. They email Uber, with your name, car make and license number and a tall story on why you were at fault, not them. Uber believes them

 

[Cableguynoe]

That's correct... if you are fired WITHOUT CAUSE, that makes you an employee. In other words, you can fire an employee with no reason needed or without cause. To terminate a contractor, a violation of the contract needed to take place.... there needed to be CAUSE for the termination. So if the driver was terminated without violating the contract, they were most likely an employee and can file for unemployment.

First of all, no one was terminated without caused. He was terminated for threatening a pax. Now that could be a lie. But that's the reason. It's not without cause.

With contractors there doesnt have to be a violation. What if you just don't like their work? You can get new contractors.

You guys are confusing someone your hire for a specific job. Like you hire a contractor to build you a deck in your home. and you both sign a contract.
Yes, in this case you have a contract so you can't just fire him without cause.

This is different for a contractor you hire to maintain your home with no end date. He's just your guy. You can fire that contractor.

We're the latter. We can be fired without cause. We don't have to be employees.

Otherwise when is our end date as contractors? They have to keep us at drivers forever because they don't have cause?

 

[Skepticaldriver]

See this kind of stuff is why I'm feeling less and less like the dreaded Union is a bad thing.

Omg. Its literally as simple as no driver working on a particular day.
All at the same time. One day.

 

[UberBlackDriverLA]

First of all, no one was terminated without caused. He was terminated for threatening a pax. Now that could be a lie. But that's the reason. It's not without cause.

With contractors there doesnt have to be a violation. What if you just don't like their work? You can get new contractors.

You guys are confusing someone your hire for a specific job. Like you hire a contractor to build you a deck in your home. and you both sign a contract.
Yes, in this case you have a contract so you can't just fire him without cause.

This is different for a contractor you hire to maintain your home with no end date. He's just your guy. You can fire that contractor.

We're the latter. We can be fired without cause. We don't have to be employees.

Otherwise when is our end date as contractors? They have to keep us at drivers forever because they don't have cause?

Wrong. You are not any different than the guy that builds a decks if you were indeed an independant contractor but you not. You are an employee misclassified as a contractor.

Also, I don't know where the threatening a passenger came from.

 

[Uberfunitis]

They absolutely can not renew your contract. Our contract is basically only good for one ride at a given rate. They are renewing our contract and extending it each time they offer us a trip. They can at any time decide not to offer any further trips Uber is not contractually obligated to offer any trip at all, if a trip is offered the terms are in place on both sides.

 

[ontheroad]

Welp, just lost my Uber account because some dbag has complained that I threatened him/her and engaged in unsafe behavior.
I didn't even know what rider, didn't have any encounters like that, but I cancelled on a rider when he was arms reach of my car because he took too long(more than 5 min) to come out.
Not sure if it was him, but Uber isn't telling me which trip or if I cancelled or took the trip.

Can't I sue these people for false accusations and lost wages?
I mean I will have to sue Uber to get the info on the rider first.

Sorry to hear about your deactivation. Every time i hear about a mistreatment like this i am left wondering how some people can still argue against drivers unionizing. Uber's culture and its dehumanization of "partners" will never change with or without Travis!

I would rather unioninze and risk losing Uber than continue driving for these soul sucking vampires.

 

[EthiopianFemalePax]

Lwyrup

 

[Cableguynoe]

Wrong. You are not any different than the guy that builds a decks if you were indeed an independant contractor but you not. You are an employee misclassified as a contractor.

Also, I don't know where the threatening a passenger came from.

Did you read the first post? That's what this whole thing is about.

 

[tohunt4me]

See this kind of stuff is why I'm feeling less and less like the dreaded Union is a bad thing.

You have to try really hard to get fired under a Union.

 

[Cableguynoe]

That's correct... if you are fired WITHOUT CAUSE, that makes you an employee. In other words, you can fire an employee with no reason needed or without cause. To terminate a contractor, a violation of the contract needed to take place.... there needed to be CAUSE for the termination. So if the driver was terminated without violating the contract, they were most likely an employee and can file for unemployment.

OK, lets reword that then. Not fired. But you can always say to a contractor after they complete their job (for us it would be after completing a ride)
" I have no more work for you at this time. I'll let you know if something comes up."
How about Uber does that to us and we just stop getting pings. Not fired. Just on standby.Permanent standby.

 

[steveK2016]

And this is why UberX drivers are employees, not contractors. You were fired without cause. MAKE SURE YOU FILE FOR UNEMPLOYMENT

Uber generates leads for your transportation company. They find a rider, they tell you where that rider will be, you fulfill that request. You are not being fired. You merely will no longer receive leads from Uber for your transportation company.

 

[Cableguynoe]

Uber generates leads for your transportation company. They find a rider, they tell you where that rider will be, you fulfill that request. You are not being fired. You merely will no longer receive leads from Uber for your transportation company.

haha. I like the way you worded that.
I CANNOT get fired from my transportation company. I just have to find a new dispatcher.

 

[steveK2016]

haha. I like the way you worded that.
I CANNOT get fired from my transportation company. I just have to find a new dispatcher.

Bingo. Some markets have more options for this "dispatcher" others do not. Some savvy drivers developed their own private clients so they don't have to be dependent on Uber.

Everyone wants to tote that they are their own boss and freedom to make their own schedule, but then fail to realize this applies to every aspect of Uber, including how you generate leads and revenue. Uber isn't a transportation company, as they say, they are basically a dispatcher. Someone with their app says "I need a ride!" so they then send a message to a driver saying "Hey, I have a rider, you down? Pays crap, but if you don't want it I'll send it to the next guy..."

Of course, none of this is being spoken in English, rather in 1's and 0's between the different apps....

 

[SuzeCB]

First of all, no one was terminated without caused. He was terminated for threatening a pax. Now that could be a lie. But that's the reason. It's not without cause.

With contractors there doesnt have to be a violation. What if you just don't like their work? You can get new contractors.

You guys are confusing someone your hire for a specific job. Like you hire a contractor to build you a deck in your home. and you both sign a contract.
Yes, in this case you have a contract so you can't just fire him without cause.

This is different for a contractor you hire to maintain your home with no end date. He's just your guy. You can fire that contractor.

We're the latter. We can be fired without cause. We don't have to be employees.

Otherwise when is our end date as contractors? They have to keep us at drivers forever because they don't have cause?

There's no recourse against Uber for this, but you can sue John or Jane Doe the passenger, and then subpoena Uber for the information regarding the passenger until you can track down their identity and sue them directly. If Uber has you deactivated have records about what your average pay was for those days of the week that you're unable to work and get your damages from them. You would be suing for slander and defamation of character. Your deactivation and inability to earn money would constitute your actual or estimated damages, and then add in more to reach the small claims max in your state as punitive damages.

 

[JD Fernando]

Update -
So, after sending Uber multiple responses to their email and 48 hours later of getting deactivated, I called Uber CS line pissed off and demanding answers as to why they haven't sent a singal response to any of my emails.
After going back and forth with the cs rep, she finally transferred my call over to Uber's Safety dept.
He just gave me more details as to what the exact complaint was.

So this guy had complaint that I engaged in a hit and run accident. He had complained that I had run over his foot while I was driving away, while driving away I apparently had hit a cyclist that was nearby, had an altercation with the cyclist and left the scene of the accident.

I was like "wtf".....I told him that, if I were to leave a scene of an accident like that, there would be a police report and cops would have been here by now.
This complaint makes sense because I received a call from James River Insurance this morning asking about an incident happened on June 17th.

I thought to myself, why would James River Insurance call me for a verbal altercation??? (If I ever had one)....lol

Anyway, he reactivated my account again after speaking to me.....

What an exaggerated complaint he has made......SMH

 

[jfinks]

They can't rate if there was no trip.

For one, I didn't know it was the pax approaching my car, I hit cancel as soon as the timer was up. I saw him throwing his arms up as I drove away and that's when I knew it was him.
Anyway, I have asked Uber to tell me which trip to sign the document they sent me to give my side of the story. Problem is, a covo like that never happened. I usually keep my mouth shut when I have a pax. So idk who reported this false claim.

Also there was another cancelation by a pax because I couldn't find where she was. She was on the phone with me at the time she said she is going to cancel this. Not sure if she was the one that made a false claim.

Also Uber won't give me a detailed report to "protect privacy and security" of the rider unless I go through court

 

[dnlbaboof]

Update -
So, after sending Uber multiple responses to their email and 48 hours later of getting deactivated, I called Uber CS line pissed off and demanding answers as to why they haven't sent a singal response to any of my emails.
After going back and forth with the cs rep, she finally transferred my call over to Uber's Safety dept.
He just gave me more details as to what the exact complaint was.

So this guy had complaint that I engaged in a hit and run accident. He had complained that I had run over his foot while I was driving away, while driving away I apparently had hit a cyclist that was nearby, had an altercation with the cyclist and left the scene of the accident.

I was like "wtf".....I told him that, if I were to leave a scene of an accident like that, there would be a police report and cops would have been here by now.
This complaint makes sense because I received a call from James River Insurance this morning asking about an incident happened on June 17th.

I thought to myself, why would James River Insurance call me for a verbal altercation??? (If I ever had one)....lol

Anyway, he reactivated my account again after speaking to me.....

What an exaggerated complaint he has made......SMH

so the rider made the whole thing up??? because he was mad you cancelled?

 

[Go4]

They can't rate if there was no trip.

No they can't rate you if you cancel the trip, but they sure can mess you up. They go into their trip log, Trip Details, Help and send anything they want to Uber.
In this case the pax told Uber, the driver drove over his foot, hit a bike and assaulted the bike rider before driving away. I'm just surprised the pax didn't tell about not getting his service dog from the trunk.

 

[Safe_Driver_4_U]

Sue for tortuous interference of a business relationship. The more these pax get sued the fewer false complaints we will suffer. About unions, bad idea, driver owned TNC much better