My friend stopped driving beginning of March. She has just applied for PUA and got the money already. She planned to receive unemployment benefit until July 25th.

She is asking if she can continue driving UberX now and not report income to EDD, because after standard mileage deduction her income is either zero or negative. .

What do you think ?

Hmm, not sure the system works that way. Your 1099 is what they go by

 

How do you get a 1099 from these guys??

How do you get a 1099 from these guys??

 

Your able to continue driving but must report your earning to edd. If you make to much they take it away from your claim.

 

The key is to keep the $600/week and driving as much as she could.

She is greedy. LOL.

 

Tell your friend not to play games with EDD. It will come out down the road and the trouble won't be worth it. Honesty is the best policy in situations like this.

 

According to IRS net income is defined as Gross minus all expenses. And UberX drivers net income I usually zero due to the fact that car expenses are lumped into $.57/mile.

 

True, but, that may not be how the EDD site works during the certification process. I'd give them the gross unless you want to disqualify yourself. If there is no income lost due to your income being zero... what makes you think they will pay you monthly UI? You need to get something monthly from EDD in order to qualify for that extra $600.

 

If she’s strapped for dough, she should go for it. She needs cash now and these are hard times! UI won’t catch on for at least a year.

First time I got laid off I didn’t report my severance pay and drew unemployment. They caught on a year later and wanted some money back. I was working by then and arranged an easy installment plan.

It’s not a big deal! You don’t go to jail and they don’t break your legs. You’re simply in debt to a government agency. They just want their money and will work with you to get it. Same goes for the IRS. They’re not some dastardly bogeyman to be terrified of. **** em! Pay what you can when you can.

 

If she's strapped for dough, she should go for it. She needs cash now and these are hard times! UI won't catch on for at least a year.

First time I got laid off I didn't report my severance pay and drew unemployment. They caught on a year later and wanted some money back. I was working by then and arranged an easy installment plan.

It's not a big deal! You don't go to jail and they don't break your legs. You're simply in debt to a government agency. They just want their money and will work with you to get it. Same goes for the IRS. They're not some dastardly bogeyman to be terrified of. @@@@ em! Pay what you can when you can.

I figure a year later your earning after expenses should be zero after deduction so what can they ask you to give back ?

I was wondering, if she forms a sole proprietorship with a different EIN, or an LLC, and have Uber pay to that EIN, would that help ?

 

there is actually a point here. Edd asks us to report gross... they never gave UI to rideshare drivers so it all new.

What is gross exactly in their eyes? What they request from regular ‘normal’ w2 workers is, gross is before taxes.

For us that makes no sense, as we have gas and wear and tear expenses.

So in our circumstance would gross be what uber pays out on the app, with gas and wear and tear deductions? That’s really what’s going into our pockets before taxes.

 

You have to report gross income not net.

 

Yet no where else except for tax purposes that gross is accepted, for my EDIL loan I had to use my net and it was low so I didn’t get much of a loan. They really don’t understand how we really work at some of these government places. Also I was wondering how that works for my edd if I wanted to drive, they are only giving $167 a week and I used to make more then that a day easy. I know edd don’t play around if you don’t report stuff to them. Everyone I know uses net as the expensive are just money you spend to earn profit, if edd wants gross then they need to pay me based off my gross and $167 a week don’t make my car payment and insurance

 

Yet no where else except for tax purposes that gross is accepted, for my EDIL loan I had to use my net and it was low so I didn't get much of a loan. They really don't understand how we really work at some of these government places. Also I was wondering how that works for my edd if I wanted to drive, they are only giving $167 a week and I used to make more then that a day easy. I know edd don't play around if you don't report stuff to them. Everyone I know uses net as the expensive are just money you spend to earn profit, if edd wants gross then they need to pay me based off my gross and $167 a week don't make my car payment and insurance

The $167 per week is a starting point. As they come back and look closer at everyone's situation it will go up or down accordingly. It's kind of a place holder to get everyone started in the process. And, that's great since it gets everyone the $600.

Just another reason to certify asap .

For UI, they want gross. But it's for W2 only. For Gig economy people, we must use PUA, and there they want NET income. That's the difference.

With the PUA it didn't state net or gross on the first locations income was asked for. Once in the certification process it asks for gross.

 

For UI, they want gross. But it's for W2 only. For Gig economy people, we must use PUA, and there they want NET income. That's the difference.

 

Yeah, I’m waiting on how they will adjust that, if they use my gross I’ll max it out, if they use my net $167 is all I can get which sucks since my expenses aren’t going to be covered with $167 a week. Just because I’m not driving doesn’t mean my expenses aren’t still there and I think that’s what these agencies are missing. I’m glad my car loan peeps gave me two months to deal with this, otherwise I would of been having to borrow money or max out credit cards to get though this waiting

 

As an Independent Contractor Receiving Unemployment Benefits, Weekly Gross Earnings Are Calculated After Expenses - Including Your .575 Mileage Deduction.

 

***-----Do NOT follow New Member advice above: "..blah blah, blah, ...Court finds defendant Guilty of Fraud. Next!"

ALL State unemployment offices demand GROSS income. Hell, even your 'answer' proves you are wrong: weekly [Gross] earnings are....
Its only a matter of WHEN the UnEmployment Offc. set-up a data connection to Uber/Lyft/etc. to determine who been double-dipping. (Earning rideshare $$$ while claiming $0 from rideshare to their State agency)

Why would the States NOT do these audits? (Revenue for State, weeds-out the bad decision-makers, & its easily done with computers..)

 

It’s called fraud. If you try to bilk the feds out of the $600 part, then you step into the federal side of crimes. Good luck.

 

continue driving UberX now and not report income to EDD

the first time she needs to certify she will get her answer. You need to report ANY earnings. Period. Otherwise you are straight up lying when certifying.

 

Life is no fun if your always following the rules boys! Man some of you must live the most vanilla life. Never taking chances or taking risks. My dad always told me...son if your not getting in a little bit of trouble in life then you aint doing it right. Dont be such a square. Thats no fun.

 

Thank you all wonderful, brave and generous Uber/lyft drivers!

Very sweet of you guys going out there to make NO money. Thanks for volunteering your car, time and services! The world needs more people like you.

:smiles:

 

Stupid idea. If she wants to do it the smart way go deliver Chinese Food or Pizza from a non chain restaurant where they pay cash under the table.

 

Nope. She will get caught and have to give unemployment back and get fined or go to jail

 

So what’s the answer on how we are supposed to certify?

Do we certify our amount after gas and wear and tear?

Or do we put just what uber pays us?

 

So what's the answer on how we are supposed to certify?

Do we certify our amount after gas and wear and tear?

Or do we put just what uber pays us?

I took the conservative route and simply used what Uber pays us. Except, for the 2019 tax income they requested. They asked for net income for 2019 and I gave the much lower net amount for it. 2020 shows weeks as Uber paid me. But, I still don't know how it will all be adjusted in the end when the finally come through and look at them all closer.

I may be a bit paranoid, but, I know how easy it is to get caught up with problems when dealing with the government. Hence, very careful.

 

I took the conservative route and simply used what Uber pays us. Except, for the 2019 tax income they requested. They asked for net income for 2019 and I gave the much lower net amount for it. 2020 shows weeks as Uber paid me. But, I still don't know how it will all be adjusted in the end when the finally come through and look at them all closer.

I may be a bit paranoid, but, I know how easy it is to get caught up with problems when dealing with the government. Hence, very careful.

They also asked me what my net income was BEFORE commission. So I put what I made before Uber took their blood money, which of course, is a multiplier. That's fair.

 

I promise you the state does not care what your operating expenses are. They care what is going into your account from Uber. Report what Uber/Lyft pay you as your weekly income. Or DON'T, it's up to you.

 

I agree with you. There is no set formula to report yet. A knowledgeable CPA might give you the right answer.

 

She better report her estimated earning through EDD. EDD might reduce some amount but it is safer to go that way or else she will be fined a lot of money than she received or she will have to enjoy free foods in jail.

 

Yet no where else except for tax purposes that gross is accepted, for my EDIL loan I had to use my net and it was low so I didn't get much of a loan. They really don't understand how we really work at some of these government places. Also I was wondering how that works for my edd if I wanted to drive, they are only giving $167 a week and I used to make more then that a day easy. I know edd don't play around if you don't report stuff to them. Everyone I know uses net as the expensive are just money you spend to earn profit, if edd wants gross then they need to pay me based off my gross and $167 a week don't make my car payment and insurance

You got an EIDL loan? What your range without telling us the numbers, why no a PPP where it does not have to be paid back?

 

I got a loan for $2-3k, so far it hasn't been forgiven and is just a loan. It is showing up in my business accounts section as a loan right now. Whether or not they forgive it comes at a later date, but I think it will be. Too bad I deducted so much last year, I probably could of had 10-15k loan if I didn't take deductions but oh well. The small loan will keep a roof over my head and my car from being repo'd while this is going on.

California has AB5... And with people winning miss classification & other lawsuit going on with UBER... To get people back who made money, I can see Uber turning everything over and people having to pay back like the one guy who got his severance.

Look PUA at 767 per week is more than some were making with Uber after expenses.... Plus their life is no longer at risk with / without COVID-19 as driving is difficult with all the other drivers out there..

You friend should work, knowing they might have to pay back in the future.. The state should set aside a special team, to try and get as much money back as possible form the people who did fraud so we dont suffer form years and years to come in increased taxes. I am all for everyone getting what they are entitled to!!

PUA is net earnings
UI is gross earnings

$767 is a slacker week for me, and the $600 is bonus, not part of what they calculate. I'm getting $167 a week when if I made that a day it was a bad day. $167 a week doesn't cover my car payment, my rent, my insurance, and my other misc bills. I spend almost that in food per week and that's all that will cover if this goes on. I'll lose my house and my car on this $167 a week, they shut down my work so they need to pay my expenses and $167 a week is a joke

 

Hire a good CPA.
Nobody really knows here.
All opinions.
I don't think even the states or the fed knows.
The bill is over 1,700 pages.

 

Life is no fun if your always following the rules boys! Man some of you must live the most vanilla life. Never taking chances or taking risks. My dad always told me...son if your not getting in a little bit of trouble in life then you aint doing it right. Dont be such a square. Thats no fun.

Having fun in life is one thing. Stealing it's another . But hey so you thing if that make you feel good about yourself. Let's hope the lady will not complain afterwards.

 

Stealing??? Lol thats what you call it?? How about when your government STEALS from you on a daily basis but that's different right? Because they do it in a nice and "legit" way right? Thats why you don't consider them stealing from you. Thats why the top 1% of the wealthiest people are where they are...because they steal from the poor on a daily basis but because they also pay them I guess they let them get away with it. Wake up.

 

California has AB5... And with people winning miss classification & other lawsuit going on with UBER... To get people back who made money, I can see Uber turning everything over and people having to pay back like the one guy who got his severance.

Look PUA at 767 per week is more than some were making with Uber after expenses.... Plus their life is no longer at risk with / without COVID-19 as driving is difficult with all the other drivers out there..

You friend should work, knowing they might have to pay back in the future.. The state should set aside a special team, to try and get as much money back as possible form the people who did fraud so we dont suffer form years and years to come in increased taxes. I am all for everyone getting what they are entitled to!!


PUA is net earnings
UI is gross earnings