[Slackrabbit]

I just had an UberXL ride which paid $12.16 including a $1.00 surge and the $0.55 fuel surcharge. For this breakdown, I'm using Ubers information of 13 minutes and 6.5 miles. UberXL rates here are 1.12 per mile and 0.14 a minute.

12.16
-1.00 surge
1.26 base
0.55 fuel surcharge
-----------------------------------------
$9.35 made with mileage and time.

Old way:
1.26 base
1.00 surge
0.55 fuel
7.62 mileage (6.5 x 1.12)
1.82 time (13 minutes x .14)
-----------------------------‐----------------
12.25 total

$0.09 difference. Granted this was one ride, but I'm betting we will notice a trend. This is also using Ubers given information for time and distance. I'll do a few more throughout the day using actual time and distance. $0.09 won't break the bank, but over time it'll add up as a noticeable pay cut. I'm willing to bet that the time and mileage info uber provides is on the low end, and when I use actual time and mileage the difference will be more significant.

Over the past few weeks Uber has taken away our ability to see what the customers pay (well made it significantly more difficult) and now our ability to see a breakdown of what we made. The writing is on the wall. Time to ramp up job applications.

 

[Ted Fink]

I think that guy on RSG who is from Minneapolis did a video on this... my memory is vague but I think he said trips over 8 minutes pay less and trips under 8 minutes paid more... Imma go find it.

 

[Ted Fink]

Okay my memory sucks. He says fares over 5.5 miles pay less fares under 5.5 miles pay more

Here is an update 20 weeks later

NOTE: I'm not endorsing RSG. I know everyone says Harry is a butt kisser etc etc. But I do monitor this channel for these tidbits of information.

 

[Disgusted Driver]

In general, short trips pay more than the old rate card, long trips pay less. On X the distance to the PU may be factored in, on XL it is not. All of this is to say that you need to forget about the rate card, it's gone. You need to develop a simple metric that allows you to evaluate each ping on its merits and make a decision within 2 or 3 seconds.

 

[Heisenburger]

He says fares over 5.5 miles pay less fares under 5.5 miles pay more

Very true around here.

However, because the CPM is different for longer trips than for shorter trips, this doesn't say anything about profitability.

 

[Ted Fink]

Very true around here.

So this is yet another reason to focus on shorties. Longer rides were already less profitable before upfront pricing if they landed you in a low demand area and you had to deadhead back to the high demand area. So now you will be paid better to stay in the high demand area. Works for me. I won't be taking any 45+ anymore for sure! LOL

 

[Ted Fink]

In general, short trips pay more than the old rate card, long trips pay less. On X the distance to the PU may be factored in, on XL it is not. All of this is to say that you need to forget about the rate card, it's gone. You need to develop a simple metric that allows you to evaluate each ping on its merits and make a decision within 2 or 3 seconds.

I'm thinking, add miles to pickup to miles to dropoff and make sure the $ is greater than the total miles.

 

[Heisenburger]

I'm thinking, add miles to pickup to miles to dropoff and make sure the $ is greater than the total miles.

I also consider the route itself. If it's like 90% interstate and/or highway and under about 14 miles and doesn't end in a dead zone, I snag it even though the dollars per mile ratio is often lower than 1:1 like 0.7:1. This is because my CPM is lower on that trip than a 2 mile trip through downtown surface streets where I'm beating the hell outta the suspension, tires and brakes with the potholes and constant stops.

 

[Uberyouber]

I'm the minimum fare King !

 

[Donatello]

LOL, so they are going to ignore mile/time now? or do some magic to the payment system?

Just jump on the pricefix lawsuit wtf are you waiting for.

I thought this upfront crap was to give drivers "an idea" of their pay, not force shit pay.

 

[bobby747]

well i did 5 short rides this AM . the new system is a giant paycut imho ..rides that paid $7 are paying $4.75...prices are showing higher and paying lower....its incredible that they were taken 50% and now they are finding a bigger way to steal....
the only way i see this to be able to work is surge. no surge than you lost at least 10 cents a mile..i dont do airport rides. my a city to airport was $15 uber x today 10 miles $12.
i used to do these for $30+++

 

[Slackrabbit]

In my opinion, this new system was designed to cut our pay in hopes that we won't notice and/or care because they are 'providing us with extra information'. Obviously they don't care if we do notice. It starts of with a few cents here and there, but as the weeks go by the cuts will ever so slightly increase. If they skim an extra $0.25 per ride, imagine the change to their bottom line. Its death by a thousand papercuts. Come on Dara. Do better. What a steaming pile of feces.

 

[Donatello]

In my opinion, this new system was designed to cut our pay and hopes that we won't notice and/or care because they are 'providing us with extra information'. It starts of with a few cents here and there, but as the weeks go by the cuts will ever so slightly increase. Its death by a thousand papercuts. What a steaming pile of feces.

Indeed, they are exploiting the ants natural enemy: "math", people cannot do math fast enough to see if they are driving for the same or less, what I want to know is how they are gonna change everything since mile/time current pay structures will be basically abandoned and what lawsuits will come out of it.

 

[234731]

Anything Uber rolls out is to **** the driver , stand up for yourself and learn to **** them back !

 

[Disgusted Driver]

I'm thinking, add miles to pickup to miles to dropoff and make sure the $ is greater than the total miles.

That's a good start and quick to do. I also look for time is not more than twice the $. (30 minutes pays at least $15)
You also have to consider whether you want to end up where the drop off is. If you have a good idea of where things are in your area you can do it pretty quickly. Late Fri or Sat and you should be able to be a little more picky.

Bottom line, it takes a little practice and radar is best ignored if you can help it!

 

[Heisenburger]

people cannot do math fast enough to see if they are driving for the same or less,

That's not even actually necessary. Most people can quickly and easily spout one or both of the following sets of metrics:

• Total miles driven yesterday
• Total hours online yesterday
• Gross revenue yesterday

And/or

• Total miles driven last week
• Total hours online last week
• Gross revenue last week

If those metrics don't work out to be a good tradeoff, people will start changing their ways (accept fewer offers, work fewer hours, quit, etc.).

 

[bobby747]

Gross weekly wage total.
Miles drives
Hours online.
Net pay after expenses. Net. Net after all

 

[234731]

Net this , So glad upfront prices have not hit my market and doubt they will as all of our rides are very short., Like I was saying you need to learn how to make it pay, and of course you need to know how to talk to the passenger so you can get tipped

 

[234731]

Here’s one reservation with a rating of 4.5 , I accept them and make em cancel , i’m doing community service work here Teaching some of these assholes how to behave.

Teaching some of these assholes how to behave.

 

[ObeyTheNumbers]

Don't tip them more than a dollar or you'll spoil them. 💸💰