California voters are tepid about Proposition 22, a statewide poll shows, despite a jaw-dropping $184.3 million poured into it by Uber, Lyft and other gig companies trying to keep their drivers and couriers as independent contractors.
UC Berkeley poll says Proposition 22 is eleven points short of passing, and losing steam fast despite massive corporate spending.
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News flash. Funny.
I can not be fired. I am a contractor.
I can choose to accept or decline offers and the gig apps can choose to contract with me or not.
Thank the heavens there is not a 30 day notice requirement to terminate the contract.
Seems you have no concept, new member, of a contractual relationship. No one is getting "fired."
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Same thing, different terminology. New member here, yes. Four years and 16,000 rides, yes. Call it whatever you want but Uber can currently end your ability to drive at any time for any reason. Prop 22 will make that worse.
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I voted No because Uber is pushing it.
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There is no speculation as to what the pay will be under prop 22. It is written in The proposal which will become law if passed. RS paid per minute / 30 cents per mile / plus incentives when offered and keep your tips / incentives can be deducted from your guaranteed minimum/that's written in the prop.
An independent contractor with the ability to log on and log off whenever you want, but paid as an employee less than minimum wage unless you roll your wheels every minute of the hour.
An independent contractor with the ability to log on and log off whenever you want, but paid as an employee less than minimum wage unless you roll your wheels every minute of the hour.
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And 30 cents per mile won't even cover direct operating costs for most drivers in CA. It's amazing to see these drivers supporting a prop they either didn't read or don't understand.
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That's not including that expenses would get paid at just over half on prop 22 as AB5 requires.
My actual estimate for total pay under AB5 is approximately $25-30 per hour (depending on tips and how many miles you drive) (plus benefits if your eligible) with about $13+ tips being taxable and another $10-15+ being non taxable.
10 hours would generate you $250-300 including tips with about $150 being taxable.
$130 in taxable "pay"
.575 X 200-250 miles = $115-143 in untaxable expense reimbursement
$5-30+ tips
Under prop 22 my estimate (for lowest) is $0. to ?
I have no idea...
But the payfloor for AB is $25 an hour for being logged in and accepting pings. For AB5 it's way way less than that.
AB5
$13 an hour + .575 per mile + tips
(21.2/3rds c a mile)
Prop 22
26c a minute 30c a mile while on pings.
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Prop 22 is basically $15/hr if you were always on a trip. Every driver knows that rarely happens for extended periods. If you go an hour without a ping the floor is zero for that hour.
The 30c Per mile probably would not cover actual expenses in California because of the high price of gasoline.
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But you can keep your tips!!!!!!!!!!
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Those are 1962 cab rates. Try paying 2020 expenses on 1962 pay.
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Don't forget you set your clocks back a 100 years
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Even complete morons would stop driving.
The number of drivers today on application was 7% of what it was a year ago.
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Are you still driving?
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Well, Uber / Lyft won Prop22.
Back to the "cotton fields" we slaves must go now - no saying in our pay, no rights, no nothing.
Back to the "cotton fields" we slaves must go now - no saying in our pay, no rights, no nothing.
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