Minneapolis City Council set rideshare drivers pay at $1.27 per mile and $.49 per minute

So the benefit here is the State law applies across the entire State.

Uber and Lyft caved, hurray! 😁

We will see if this new rate will cause a huge decline in trips like Uber/Lyft like to tout.

Of course it doesn't seem to address the problem of deadheading after a long trip or oversaturation of drivers.

Or about robotaxis....

What a plan Uber had huh? Reinventing the taxi all over again by introducing a new "rideshare" app, low balling drivers to capture the entire market, bypassing city medallions etc. that restrict vehicles/pirates so those in business can remain in business and provide a living for their drivers.

All the while the Uber/Lyft apps are spying for Big Brother. Which is likely the real reason why they got big government approval in the first place.

This new State law is a start, but it's a long way from being a solution.

Anyone moving to Minnesota? 😁

 

So the benefit here is the State law applies across the entire State.

Uber and Lyft caved, hurray! 😁

We will see if this new rate will cause a huge decline in trips like Uber/Lyft like to tout.

Of course it doesn't seem to address the problem of deadheading after a long trip or oversaturation of drivers.

Or about robotaxis....

Uber didn't cave, the state did. Thirty one cents per minute is a surrender by the state and the drivers should let them know it's not enough.

 

Meanwhile other parts of the country live with "upfront" offers that rarely break $1 per mile and 0¢ per minute. In areas with higher gas prices and cost of living than Minneapolis.

 

Any trip over 5 miles here is now on average .33 to .50 cents, not worth driving for either company unless you are on a trip home. They take so much and offer such big discounts.

Stupid Uber is thinking riders are looking for prices to drop on normal rides no surges when it's really all the drivers checking prices so they drop the price.. If they just stop using the algorithms to mess with price things would be better.

 

Take a stand in all states they need a wake up call.

 

Agreed! The adjustments should be instituted nationally

 

Celebrate now, but this will likely hurt the rideshare industry in Minnesota, particularly drivers. A lot of passengers simply wont be able to afford the higher rates, and they will have to find alternatives to get around town. You will also get a lot of new drivers who hear about the new rates, so more competition will mean fewer rides.

I've driven in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and the Fox River cities just South of Green Bay, which have similar rates (about $1.17 per mile for drivers), and the result is too many drivers and not enough business to go round for drivers. There are busy times, like on Friday and Saturday nights, and on football game days, but on weekdays, you might have to wait at the airport for an hour to get a ride.

The Twin Cities have a much larger population than Green Bay and Fox River cities, so drivers will survive, but it could be very tough in smaller cities in Minnesota like Rochester. I've driven for Lyft in that city, and it's already a pretty bad market, even on Saturday nights.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for paying drivers more, but it doesn't always work out the way you hope it will, as the market and the cost of doing business will have a huge impact on that.

 

Celebrate now, but this will likely hurt the rideshare industry in Minnesota, particularly drivers. A lot of passengers simply wont be able to afford the rates, and they will have to find alternatives to get around town. You will also get a lot of new drivers who hear about the new rates, so more competition will mean fewer rides.

Hurts drivers. Hurts riders. Hurts Uber.

The government should be trying to provide cheap transportation. Many cities subsidies public transportation. Cheap transportation helps business. Booming business pays more taxes. Booming business has happy consumers.

 

All the gig apps will just do what they did in Seattle, add a $5 surcharge on every trip, cratering demand. It will be interesting to see if Wridz makes gains any market share with their driver subscription based model, offering lower fares to passengers than Uber and Lyft.

 

They likely settled just to avoid allowing Wridz and others from gaining traction. The new rates are lower than Seattle so there’s a possibility that they won’t have to jack up prices as much for customers. The apps aren’t just going to pay drivers more without passing some of the cost onto customers.

 

Government stepping in is exactly what happened Minnesota. And if Ubers plan b is to pay drivers the new rate and STILL insist on taking 50% or greater of the fares. fares will be astronomically high and eventually there be a public outcry over high fares ( and maybe that is Ubers plan b then they can say - see we told you so greedy drivers/ government intervention leads to unreasonable fares narrative ) but the general riding public is too wise now for that to work. Now that Uber/ Lyft have laid out the groundwork for rideshare different newer apps can step in operate at government drivers rate cards that truly pay what covers drivers costs and take a smaller percentage of the overall customer fare. Companies like Uber/ Lyft can either adapt or gracefully or ungraciously bow out.

You’re having fantasies of a communist revolution 😂. Many jurisdictions are forcing them to increase driver rates, but none are going to turn them into a public utility. You increase driver rates, you increase fares for passengers. There’s no free lunch.

 

I’m the last person on this planet to be fantasizing about communism/ Marxism but thanks for showing us your true colors by throwing out insults ( a sure sign of a weak debater ) it’s just a simple conversation and exchange ideas but for SOME it always boils down to a I’m right your wrong battle ( another sure sign of insecurity ) I hate government intervention but that being said it has it’s place when there’s no other solution such as the breakup of ma bell 🔔. When issues of fares being sky high or too high for the general public and it will happen eventually the discussion of government regulations and classification of rideshare as a essential public utility will arise. That’s all I’m saying sorry not sorry 😢 if disrupts any addiction to always be right. 🤷‍♂️

 

In Colorado TNC is regulated by the Public Utilities Commission

In no way shape or form does the act of regulating a business require the company to be declared a public utility.

Bear does not understand!

 

Bear doesn't understand a lot of things. Can't beleive I'm interacting with someone who identifys as a bear.

 

Step 1: Drivers demand to get paid Seattle rates.
Step 2: Uber and other apps raise the price of rides and deliveries
Step 3: Demand drops and earnings either flatten or slightly decrease for the average driver
Step 4: Drivers ***** and moan about the price increases because they expected free money.

We can all agree that the minimums should be higher than they currently are, but we don’t need Seattle’s rates. Hopefully, Minnesota’s rate increase works out better. The main point is that we need to find the ideal minimum and don’t overshoot or the rate increase will backfire. You can’t pay bills with a high rate card. You can’t cash a check with a high rate card. A high rate card is not money in the bank.

 

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Step 1: Drivers demand to get paid Seattle rates.
Step 2: Uber and other apps raise the price of rides and deliveries
Step 3: Demand drops and earnings either flatten or slightly decrease for the average driver
Step 4: Drivers * and moan about the price increases because they expected free money.

We can all agree that the minimums should be higher than they currently are, but we don’t need Seattle’s rates. Hopefully, Minnesota’s rate increase works out better. The main point is that we need to find the ideal minimum and don’t overshoot or the rate increase will backfire. You can’t pay bills with a high rate card. You can’t cash a check with a high rate card. A high rate card is not money in the bank.

Where's the rest of the graph? It's incomplete. Who wrote it?

 

I see arguments from all sides (passengers, drivers, Uber). However, Uber rideshare is NOT meant to be a substitute of public transportation.

We are in this situation because:

• public transportation options are not sufficient
• working class has no choice but take rideshare to work, and affordability becomes an issue
• there are too many drivers - Uber is very good at this game of recruiting drivers
• average labor wages in the job market is so low that incentivize a lot of people into driving for Uber/Lyft

Uber kind of take advantage of this demand (riders)/supply(drivers) relationship and insert themselves into the chain. Their computer system is very good (also very expensive to develop and operate) but until the demand/supply situation work themselves out Uber plays an important role of creating the marketplace.

The Minneapolis pricing plan put a roadblock in the marketplace. It is difficult to see who will come out ahead. But the working class riders certainly will be losing because they are paying more for rides when there is no other transportation options.

 

It will take a while to see how the rates in Minn. workout for drivers and passengers, but from what we can gather so far from Seattle..

On the driver side:

• The average trip becomes more profitable, but overall income won’t necessarily rise.
• Short and medium trips won’t pay significantly better than just cherry-picking without a min rate.
• Long trips will pay significantly better, but there will be more competition for them. The airport will be full 24/7 and you will get less random long trip pings. These will also likely be dead-mile trips.

On the passenger side:

• Higher fares all the time
• Low income passengers will be hurt the most.

 

I see arguments from all sides (passengers, drivers, Uber). However, Uber rideshare is NOT meant to be a substitute of public transportation.

We are in this situation because:

• public transportation options are not sufficient
• working class has no choice but take rideshare to work, and affordability becomes an issue
• there are too many drivers - Uber is very good at this game of recruiting drivers
• average labor wages in the job market is so low that incentivize a lot of people into driving for Uber/Lyft

Uber kind of take advantage of this demand (riders)/supply(drivers) relationship and insert themselves into the chain. Their computer system is very good (also very expensive to develop and operate) but until the demand/supply situation work themselves out Uber plays an important role of creating the marketplace.

The Minneapolis pricing plan put a roadblock in the marketplace. It is difficult to see who will come out ahead. But the working class riders certainly will be losing because they are paying more for rides when there is no other transportation options.

I see arguments from all sides (passengers, drivers, Uber). However, Uber rideshare is NOT meant to be a substitute of public transportation.

We are in this situation because:

• public transportation options are not sufficient
• working class has no choice but take rideshare to work, and affordability becomes an issue
• there are too many drivers - Uber is very good at this game of recruiting drivers
• average labor wages in the job market is so low that incentivize a lot of people into driving for Uber/Lyft

Uber kind of take advantage of this demand (riders)/supply(drivers) relationship and insert themselves into the chain. Their computer system is very good (also very expensive to develop and operate) but until the demand/supply situation work themselves out Uber plays an important role of creating the marketplace.

The Minneapolis pricing plan put a roadblock in the marketplace. It is difficult to see who will come out ahead. But the working class riders certainly will be losing because they are paying more for rides when there is no other transportation options.

Every bus here has like 4 people riding it. Nobody WANTS to use public transportation. Even the rail line has died off to almost nothing here. Why? Because it literally takes longer than bumper to bumper traffic to get where you're going.

The only people that take public transit here, are the people that it's the only option they can afford. And it isn't from "lack of public transportation".


What works in one area, doesn't apply to all areas. Public transportation here is nothing more than a tax dollar drain,benefitting very few people, but burdening everybody. Just like everything else that government get its hands on.

 

Public transportation ridership is a chicken & egg problem. A well developed system will have middle class and even well-off people using them, but these system will almost never pay for the expenses through fare. But the benefits are there by taking cars off the road (i.e. less wear and tear on roads, less congestions, fewer accidents, etc. etc.)

A well thought out plan will include revenue from alternative sources. Advertising is a start. A multi-purpose bus/train station can generate revenue from commercial space rental.

It won't be easy, but we shouldn't give up and simply drive everyone to drive their own vehicle or call a rideshare.

 

If pay is so bad, why continue driving?

 

If trip volume drops with a higher rate card, then the net result may be no better than just being picky in a regular upfront market.

From all of the anecdotes that I’ve come across from Seattle drivers, I haven’t seen anyone post numbers that are that impressive.

 

Every bus here has like 4 people riding it. Nobody WANTS to use public transportation. Even the rail line has died off to almost nothing here. Why? Because it literally takes longer than bumper to bumper traffic to get where you're going.

The only people that take public transit here, are the people that it's the only option they can afford. And it isn't from "lack of public transportation".


What works in one area, doesn't apply to all areas. Public transportation here is nothing more than a tax dollar drain,benefitting very few people, but burdening everybody. Just like everything else that government get its hands on.

Every bus here has like 4 people riding it. Nobody WANTS to use public transportation. Even the rail line has died off to almost nothing here. Why? Because it literally takes longer than bumper to bumper traffic to get where you're going.

The only people that take public transit here, are the people that it's the only option they can afford. And it isn't from "lack of public transportation".


What works in one area, doesn't apply to all areas. Public transportation here is nothing more than a tax dollar drain,benefitting very few people, but burdening everybody. Just like everything else that government get its hands on.

Don't blame the government, blame the people. It's people that abuse everything, the better it is the more they abuse it. It is sad for the ones who don't abuse everything.

 

Minneapolis Bus Shelter

 

Location is in St Floyd of Fentanyl Sq.

 

Anyone up for shopping at the local bus shelter?

 

Some of you talking about cheap transportation, Our cars are not cheap transportation and should never be classified as such.
People can go walk to a bus or other transportation then connect to next bus and then walk to the destination going to.
Ride-share drivers and cars are a luxury so you don't have to walk the lazy butt to destination.

 

It’s hard to find a lot of content from Seattle since they are like 90% immigrant drivers…but here is a very recent earnings screenshot that looks pretty good but not ground breaking.

Trips under 10-12 minutes don’t look that much better than cherry-picking…but trips that are 15+ minutes pay significantly better than anything you’ll see most places unless it’s a surge or reservation. This screenshot is from a year old video.

 

Here we go again . Immigrant drivers do not post , read or comment ? Did you look around you ?

 

When Uber started the rideshare service in San Francisco, the cost per mile was $3.25. At that time, the business was thriving, and drivers were able to make a decent living. However, if Uber were to maintain that pricing today, they would likely be a much smaller business sitting on a mountain of cash.

 

There’s no entirely free market.

Maybe, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be as free as possible. The opposite of a free market is a centrally planned market (communism). Centrally planned markets are inefficient, slow to advance, and reduce incentives to thrive.

Uber runs off of public infrastructure.

And users pay for the public infrastructure and the users don't get the maximum value for their payments. The best roads near me are private roads. When I used to drive cross country, I found the best roads were toll roads. Government should provide services that the private industry can't, like printing money, providing for a common defense, creating and enforcing immigration laws, etc.

The government also has to foot the bill to help underpaid workers survive.

The government does not have to foot the bill to pay for welfare. The government chooses to foot the bill. And who is the government? It is the people. People vote for candidates which provide the most cheese for the voter. Its a cycle that must be brought under control. Forcing the productive to pay for the unproductive can only go so far. Why should someone with a college education and a strong back be given welfare because he finds driving for Uber satisfactory? The incentive to be a slacker is too high.

 

Maybe, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be as free as possible. The opposite of a free market is a centrally planned market (communism). Centrally planned markets are inefficient, slow to advance, and reduce incentives to thrive.



And users pay for the public infrastructure and the users don't get the maximum value for their payments. The best roads near me are private roads. When I used to drive cross country, I found the best roads were toll roads. Government should provide services that the private industry can't, like printing money, providing for a common defense, creating and enforcing immigration laws, etc.



The government does not have to foot the bill to pay for welfare. The government chooses to foot the bill. And who is the government? It is the people. People vote for candidates which provide the most cheese for the voter. Its a cycle that must be brought under control. Forcing the productive to pay for the unproductive can only go so far. Why should someone with a college education and a strong back be given welfare because he finds driving for Uber satisfactory? The incentive to be a slacker is too high.

Most people don’t want communism or an entirely free market. Stop trying to frame it as a black and white issue. The government should protect lower class workers because businesses have a long history of abusing them if unchecked.

 

Most people don’t want communism or an entirely free market. Stop trying to frame it as a black and white issue.

I didn't imply it was black and white. I stated we should strive to be as free as possible. Marx would argue that the economy should be as controlled as possible. He's wrong. Most people would think getting $1000 a week from the government just for being a citizen would be good. Most people would be wrong.

The government should protect lower class workers because businesses have a long history of abusing them if unchecked.

I disagree that poor people need government protection. I disagree that businesses have a long history of abusing poor people. I will agree that the physically or mentally challenged should be helped.

As long as there is competition in the market and people are free to choose, abuse is not a factor. Some here think Uber is abusing them. They are free to leave Uber. There are plenty of jobs available that pay more, are safer, and provide benefits. Some here are satisfied with Uber. Riders like Uber or they wouldn't use it. Uber likes Uber or they'd close shop. Most people like Uber.

What type of person dislikes a situation but keeps going back to the situation? What type of person wants to change a system to suit their own personal wants at the expense of a larger group of people?

 

I didn't imply it was black and white. I stated we should strive to be as free as possible. Marx would argue that the economy should be as controlled as possible. He's wrong. Most people would think getting $1000 a week from the government just for being a citizen would be good. Most people would be wrong.

Bringing up Karl Marx shows you are making it a black and white issue 😅. Wanting sensible regulation doesn’t make a person a communist, lol.

In a civil society we don’t generally think people or businesses should “be as free as possible” to engage in harmful, predatory or unethical behavior.

I disagree that poor people need government protection. I disagree that businesses have a long history of abusing poor people. I will agree that the physically or mentally challenged should be helped.

As long as there is competition in the market and people are free to choose, abuse is not a factor. Some here think Uber is abusing them. They are free to leave Uber. There are plenty of jobs available that pay more, are safer, and provide benefits. Some here are satisfied with Uber. Riders like Uber or they wouldn't use it. Uber likes Uber or they'd close shop. Most people like Uber.

What type of person dislikes a situation but keeps going back to the situation? What type of person wants to change a system to suit their own personal wants at the expense of a larger group of people?

Slavery, child labor, sweatshops, people being paid in company cash, etc… all have existed in the past. You’re just being ignorant of history if you don’t realize that businesses can be extremely unethical without government intervention.

 

In the end Uber won. the $1.28 per mile doesn't apply to EVERY ride, just an average over 2 weeks. So they can offer trips that pay less to subsidize surge as long as you average $1.28 over 2 weeks. What a sham.

Uber Minnesto Bill Details

 

I laugh when people say, "Oh, if you don't like the pay, you can go somewhere else."

I would love to hear what they think about the fight for independence from England, just because we didn't want to be taxed by the British. Or the fight for civil rights in the '60s, the New Deal that brought better working conditions, benefits, and labor laws. Would they say, "If those people didn't like it, they should have just done something else"? How are we going to progress if we don't fight for the causes we believe in? Existing labor laws protect and regulate labor, but some people act as if those laws don't apply to them. We're not fighting to create new laws; we're fighting to ensure the existing ones are applied fairly. Is that crazy?

The ignorance and lack of understanding from some people, both online and offline, talking about things they dislike due to their own prejudices, is sometimes unbelievable. They need to educate themselves before opening their mouths and trying to lecture us about what we can or cannot do. Carrying such people in our society is like lugging around a heavy bag of bricks. We'll never achieve that perfect union with so much ignorance among us.

 

Just because you can have your own opinion on what is and isn’t moral, it doesn’t mean that laws aren’t based on ethics and shared morality. How society feels about certain ethical issues may change over time and so will the laws.

Being unfaithful to your spouse is immoral by most standards. What's the legal penalty?

You can’t argue for rights or freedoms without ethics. Otherwise, your argument just becomes circular…i.e. freedom is good because it’s free. Rights are good because they are rights. You can’t expand on the virtues of having freedoms or rights without ethics.

Rights are spelled out in the US and state Constitutions. Its unethical to lie to a friend. Its not a right to lie. Its a freedom to lie. Its not illegal to say I had a flat tire when I didn't want to go to his party.

This argument is just historically false. It’s not like employers always treat their workers great until big government steps in

Does Apple pay better than Google due to big government? No. Do I pay my lawn care guy better than another because of big government? No. Business, like employees, work in their own best interest to produce their best outcome. Employers don't necessarily hire the cheapest employee. They hire an employee that provides the best value. Employees don't necessarily work for the highest paying employer, they go the the employer that provides the best value. Economically speaking, government is a parasite.

If the free market always produced results everyone loved, no one would be calling for government intervention.

Sure they would. Everyone thinks they should get paid more. Everyone thinks their employer isn't "fair". Everyone wants free cheese. But reality says you tend to get what you deserve. Over achievers tend to be rewarded. Slackers tend to whine.

Everyone wants to change the world to suit themselves. Instead, everyone should change themselves to suit the world.

 

Being unfaithful to your spouse is immoral by most standards. What's the legal penalty?

The fact that laws are based on ethics, does not mean that everything that may be considered unethical is automatically illegal.

Rights are spelled out in the US and state Constitutions. It’s unethical to lie to a friend. It’s not a right to lie. It’s a freedom to lie. It’s not illegal to say I had a flat tire when I didn't want to go to his party.

You can be sued or jailed for lying depending on the context. Once again, just because every unethical act isn’t a crime, it doesn’t mean that we don’t criminalize certain unethical behavior.

Does Apple pay better than Google due to big government? No. Do I pay my lawn care guy better than another because of big government? No. Business, like employees, work in their own best interest to produce their best outcome. Employers don't necessarily hire the cheapest employee. They hire an employee that provides the best value. Employees don't necessarily work for the highest paying employer, they go the the employer that provides the best value. Economically speaking, government is a parasite.

Stop with the false dichotomies.

Sure they would. Everyone thinks they should get paid more. Everyone thinks their employer isn't "fair". Everyone wants free cheese. But reality says you tend to get what you deserve. Over achievers tend to be rewarded. Slackers tend to whine.

Everyone wants to change the world to suit themselves. Instead, everyone should change themselves to suit the world.

You’re not even addressing how employers have historically abused their workers, you’re just stating that you believe in social Darwinism.

 

You can be sued or jailed for lying depending on the context. Once again, just because every unethical act isn’t a crime, it doesn’t mean that we don’t criminalize certain unethical behavior.

Give me an example of crime that is an unethical act but doesn't violate someone's rights.

Stop with the false dichotomies.

My examples are valid.

You’re not even addressing how employers have historically abused their workers, you’re just stating that you believe in social Darwinism.

You haven't given an example of an abused worker who has freedom to choose their job and has competitive market.

Darwinism = survival of the adaptable. Failure to adapt to the environment will result in less than optimum outcomes. The world is cruel. Having big brother forcing you into a suboptimal situation is not the solution. Give me the freedom to adapt, to choose my destiny, to succeed or fail based on my performance.

 

Give me an example of crime that is an unethical act but doesn't violate someone's rights.

Littering. There are several crimes related to lying, falsifying documents, misrepresentation, etc. It can also be a crime just to plan to do something illegal, i.e. conspiracy.

The fact that you mentioned violating someone else means that you realize that your rights and freedoms start to end when your act is considered harmful to other people or society.

You haven't given an example of an abused worker who has freedom to choose their job and has competitive market.

Abuser logic. The freedom to choose other options doesn’t mean you can’t be abused.

Darwinism = survival of the adaptable. Failure to adapt to the environment will result in less than optimum outcomes. The world is cruel. Having big brother forcing you into a suboptimal situation is not the solution. Give me the freedom to adapt, to choose my destiny, to succeed or fail based on my performance.

Social Darwinism is used to justify all sorts of abhorrent ideologies.

 

This is the new Trump America

No. This is Washington's, Jefferson's, and Madison's America. Individual liberty and responsibility. If you want a big brother watching you, go back to Great Britain.

We shouldn't stand up to power, big business, or these supposed supreme people who claim to act in our best interest.

No one acts in your best interest except you. This includes politicians and bureaucrats.

You talk about the Constitution as if it were handed down on stone tablets and must be blindly followed.

It is the supreme law of the land. Of course it must be followed. If not, you're a criminal.

nation based on principles of fairness, honest work, integrity, and respect.

That's a load of bs. Life is not fair. Productivity beats honest work. Integrity comes from within, you can legislate it. Respect is earned not granted by government.

they were earned through struggle and determination.

Workers of the world unite. Tell it, comrade.

Everyone should have a better life

Don't hurt my feelings. Its not fair. We have a unicorn on here somewhere. Rainbows to all.

That's not how this country was founded.

This country was founded on individual liberty, not government dictates. You want to be rewarded? Be productive. Nobody is given anything they don't earn. The founders would shudder hearing what you're saying.

 

No. This is Washington's, Jefferson's, and Madison's America. Individual liberty and responsibility. If you want a big brother watching you, go back to Great Britain.



No one acts in your best interest except you. This includes politicians and bureaucrats.



It is the supreme law of the land. Of course it must be followed. If not, you're a criminal.



That's a load of bs. Life is not fair. Productivity beats honest work. Integrity comes from within, you can legislate it. Respect is earned not granted by government.



Workers of the world unite. Tell it, comrade.



Don't hurt my feelings. Its not fair. We have a unicorn on here somewhere. Rainbows to all.



This country was founded on individual liberty, not government dictates. You want to be rewarded? Be productive. Nobody is given anything they don't earn. The founders would shudder hearing what you're saying.

You drank too much of your own Kool-Aid, friend, You may want me to be productive for you, and I want to be productive for me. I recognize that if everybody is productive for themselves, then we all benefit. But when only a few profit while the rest struggle, that's not productivity—that's exploitation. So let's work towards a system where everyone can thrive, not just a select few.



Your view of the world tend to be that the only way for you to win,everybody else lose. That's a very narrow-minded way to see the world,

And it's never going to work, because you may be able to exploit people for a while, but that's not going to last. As soon as they have nothing to lose, they're going to go after what you think is yours. Because some of the stuff that you gain or somebody gains from exploitation is just a fantasy that is yours, because at one moment you're going to die, or someone will take it from you .

Absolutely, someone will take it from you because, believe it or not, there's always someone tougher, bigger, and more powerful. That's why we need laws and regulations—they protect us from those who want to take everything we earn. And if you earn it the wrong way, those same laws and regulations will protect the people you took it away from.

But you can never keep everybody down forever. Sooner or later, they're going to rise up and they're going to fight for what they think they deserve, and everybody has a different opinion of what they deserve. I understand that it's easy and comfortable for you to say, "I just worry about me and nothing else."

Absolutely, creating a fair and just society should be everyone's goal. When we work together to promote equality, opportunity, and justice for all, we build stronger communities and a better world for everyone. It's important to recognize that our actions and choices impact others, and striving for common goals that benefit everyone is essential for collective progress and well-being.

But unfortunately, that's not how the world works. Your life is interlaced with others, and your destiny is always interlinked with somebody else's. The well-being of the community is on top of your own or is more important than just your own. If the community is thriving, progressing, and doing good things, your life will improve with that community because you are part of it. No matter how much you want to step out and say, "No, I don't want anything to do with it," yes, we do. We do as a country, we do as a state, we do as a city, we do as a family. We are always part of something, and if you're not part of anything, my friend, that's a very sad life to live.

People with your mentality, they don't want a fair society. They want a rigged society in their favor. And they call it freedom. They call it a free market. But the reality is a rigged market. And unfortunately, I just want to guess, and that's my personal opinion. You guys are mostly scared of fighting on the same level. You've got to carry the biggest stick. You've got to be the big bad wolf that kicks everybody's ass if they don't do what you tell them to do. Now, if we've got to play on the same level, you pick up the ball and go home because you know deep inside that you guys are not up to play.

In the end, you all fall down to one wrong and misleading concept that somehow there is a group who's supposed to be running things and everybody else following. Very authoritarian mindset . Same as supporting a corrupt guy hat want to disregard the Constitution and install his own laws to advance his own personal agenda. I'm not surprised anymore. You guys are telling us exactly what your values are .