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I don't know what the pax's actions were inside the car, but if they were anything close to the why he acted when he broke into a stranger's house and burglarized it, I would have kicked him out, too. All we have right now is the sad parents account of what happened, which is based on what their drunk so told them before he broke into the Reynolds' home. Of course the drunk would tell his parents that he was guiltless and there was no reason for the ejection.
I agree with you, the driver was negligent. The driver should have documented why he ejected the passenger so there wouldn't just be one side to this story. A call to 911 would have been a good move.
 
I agree with you, the driver was negligent. The driver should have documented why he ejected the passenger so there wouldn't just be one side to this story. A call to 911 would have been a good move.
We don't know if he documented why he ejected the pax. He may have notified Uber.

Ejecting a drunk passenger is not an emergency. Why would he call 911? I see drunks and people high on stuff every day walking down the street. Am I supposed to call 911 on every one I see?

I can almost guarantee this was not the first time the pax got drunk.

If you can't handle your ^###/&! liquor.

STOP DRINKING.
 
We don't know if he documented why he ejected the pax. He may have notified Uber.

Ejecting a drunk passenger is not an emergency. Why would he call 911? I see drunks and people high on stuff every day walking down the street. Am I supposed to call 911 on every one I see?

I can almost guarantee this was not the first time the pax got drunk.

If you can't handle your ^###/&! liquor.

STOP DRINKING.
Those are fair points. The driver could have contacted Uber and if it wasn't an emergency why dump the passenger?
 
Pull over, let the guy get out & puke and drive him to the destination.
Maybe, again we don't know drivers side of story.

Pax may have puked in car.

Pax may have been close to puking.

Pax may have gotten confrontational.

Pax may have hit on driver.

Pax may have asked to be dropped off there.

Pax may have....

Pax may have.....

Pax may have.....

Point is, driver is being blamed and none of us know what really happened.
 
So now...if a belligerent drunken pax gets ejected by an Uber driver and then proceeds to sexually assault a woman who was standing nearby, some of you here see some justification in holding the driver accountable?!?! This whole law suit is attempting to set a precedent in which intoxicated people are not held accountable for their actions. Can you imagine the giant can of worms that'd open? Not happening. I bet their lawyers are hoping to pressure Uber to settle. That's how civil lawyers, specially the small time bottom-feeding ones, make a living -- forcing companies/insurance to settle because the cost of a drawn out lawsuit would be higher. It's unfortunate when systems put in place to protect the truly vulnerable are abused all the time.
 
Before the cancel fee went away I would say $5 isn't so bad with not dealing with a drunk and I'm sure if the distance was that great the driver wouldn't have accepted the ping anyways

What would you rather have on your hand? The idea that you could have done something (eg call the cops and have this person stored away in a tank until they sober up) or the idea that you let him off in an area unfamiliar to him and look, he did get hurt, not just hurt but killed.

But I guess that's bringing it back to the moral point and you're not interested in that and I could try to find cases similar to make a legal stance but then that means I REALLY have an axe to grind

Which I don't, I'm just strongly advocating on the other side because y'all stacked against the drunk passenger, who isn't innocent but damn, the driver should have called the cops.

And yes, in my neck of the woods, cops will come out ASAP

Examples--when I was five I misdialed (grandma number starts with 9) and I hung up quickly, cops showed up less than five minutes later, which sucked for my dad who was two minutes after (stepped out to grocery store around the corner).

Someone in my neighborhood called on a homeless guy that was taking shelter in an abandoned house (later got teared down and a new one built, it's a nice area but the house just got to be an eyesore) and SIX cop cars showed up, so a total of 12 cops for one homeless guy

Oh, once at work, nice area again, I don't work there anymore so I can tell you it's pac heights (google it, I believe that author Danielle steel is in the area, her servants drops off her Chanel suits to the drycleaner around the block frm us)...a homeless guy was sleeping in our front door. My manager calls the cops (nonemergency) and they show up in less then ten minute and good thing, since that man had a knife under his sleeping bag.

But hey, y'all like to have your cake and eat it too
Thank you for providing four pages displaying textbook external loci of control. Entertainment at its finest! The driver was not responsible for the actions of someone who was no longer a passenger. Period. End of story.

Drivers aren't cops, we can't order people to do things when they aren't our passengers anymore. Passengers aren't given a 100% guarantee that they will receive a ride home since drivers have the right to end trips/kick pax's out. Consequently we aren't responsible for passengers once they exit our vehicles (unless they are having an observable medical emergency). Also, just because someone calls an uber after going out by themselves and getting black out drunk doesn't make them a responsible adult. Responsible adults don't solely burden others with their safety (with no back up plans), just like mature adults don't blame others when they f*** up. Sorry to break the news.
 
Maybe, again we don't know drivers side of story.

Pax may have puked in car.

Pax may have been close to puking.

Pax may have gotten confrontational.

Pax may have hit on driver.

Pax may have asked to be dropped off there.

Pax may have....

Pax may have.....

Pax may have.....

Point is, driver is being blamed and none of us know what really happened.
Thing is, the same could be said for both sides, so I guess none of us really knows what happened in that ride.
 
Parents of Long Beach Man Fatally Shot by Homeowner in 2014 Sue Uber, Driver, Shooter

http://lbpost.com/news/2000007913-p...h-man-fatally-shot-by-homeowners-after-drunken-break-in-sue-uber-driver-shooter

The parents of a Long Beach man who allegedly strayed into a Bluff Heights residence by mistake and was fatally shot by the homeowner are suing the shooter, Uber and an Uber driver, according to a recently filed lawsuit. They claim Uber is liable because one of its drivers ordered him out of a car, knowing he was intoxicated.

The negligence suit was filed by Long Beach residents David and Lynn Anderson on Thursday in Los Angeles Superior Court against Uber Technologies, Uber driver Festus Ekuma Okoh of Buena Park and the homeowners John Richard Reynolds and Lou Ann Reynolds.

The complaint states that on August 10, 2014 an impaired Ryan Anderson, 29, used the ride sharing app to request a driver to take him home, and that Okoh agreed to the transportation.

The suit also alleges Uber advertises itself as a company that offers transportation for inebriated passengers.

Okoh apparently witnessed signs of Ryan being extremely intoxicated, including not walking steadily, being confused and incoherent, and having a slow and slurred speech, the complaint added.

The complaint alleges that Okoh "stopped the car and ejected" Ryan from the vehicle before reaching his home.

"Ryan had not done anything that reasonably could have been perceived as a threat to Okoh's safety," the complaint states.

Furthermore, the claim states that Okoh admitted to leaving Ryan in a "bad," "rough" and "dangerous" area-allegedly unsafe for people to walk around after dark-and that Okoh knew he would not be able to get home from the area in his intoxicated state.

A confused and scared Ryan then called his mother, the plaintiffs state. A short time later Ryan, who had no criminal record, mistakenly wandered into the Reynolds' home-apparently mistaking it for his own, according to the lawsuit-at East Third Street and Gladys Avenue.

He then began arguing with John Reynolds, who went to get his gun in an effort to scare Ryan. During the altercation, John Reynolds accidentally shot Ryan, the suit states. John and Lou Ann Reynolds knew that Anderson was not a threat to them, the suit claims.

According to a previously-issued press release from the Long Beach Police Department (LBPD), Ryan allegedly scaled a wall to gain access into the backyard, broke a window, and proceeded to steal items from the house before John Reynolds shot him multiple times.

Officers responded to the location at about 2:30AM on a Sunday. The incident-which was reported as a burglary in progress-took place near Ryan's residence at Newport Avenue and Third Street.

Ryan was pronounced dead at the scene. Police found personal property belonging to the Reynolds' on him, according to the LBPD.

The Seattle-to-Long Beach transplant had left V Room at Fourth and Alamitos alone shortly before 2:00AM, according to longtime friend Jay Diebel. Police have not confirmed this information.

In interviews shortly after the incident, friends described Ryan as a pacifist and "never confrontational."

"I am not mad at someone protecting themselves and their home-but [Ryan] wasn't a burglar," Diebel said. "He was a good kid. Always funny, always a good remark… But just someone who would never break into someone's house. He didn't need that."

"With his beanie and beard and [being] drunk-yeah, of course he'd look suspect," said Diebel. "Anyone would [look suspect] in a house that wasn't theirs… I just don't want this becoming a conversation about the rising crime in the area because that's not what this is. It was a freak accident."

The relationship between the Reynolds was unclear in the suit. The complaint seeks unspecified damages.

An Uber representative did not immediately reply to an email seeking comment. The Reynolds could not be reached for comment.

Above, left: file photo.
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Article. Extra Credit is due for Printing
the Entire Story for TWO Reasons:

ONE: Many Newspapers and Periodicals
only leave you with a One Paragraph
Synopsis....or $UB$CRIBE.

TWO: For those of us on a Less-than-
Unlimited Data Plan, "App Data Con-
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weighing Information vs. Overage Fees.

Well-Done, Sir !

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When you're using the app, as a driver, and you accept the fare, you have a obligation to get the passenger from point A to point B. You do so and whatever happens outside of B is not your fault.
Whatever happens after you end the ride anywhere is not your fault if the pax caused the ejection.

Maybe the driver was rash or, even more likely from what I have seen, the lawsuit neglected to fairly describe why he was ejected.

Regardless, he was shot for burglarising a home, not just for being in a bad neighborhood. That burglary had nothing to do with the driver.

""Ryan had not done anything that reasonably could have been perceived as a threat to Okoh's safety," the complaint states."

I don't believe the complaint. He went on to hop a wall, break into a house, have a confrontation, and burglarise.

"Furthermore, the claim states that Okoh admitted to leaving Ryan in a "bad," "rough" and "dangerous" area-allegedly unsafe for people to walk around after dark-and that Okoh knew he would not be able to get home from the area in his intoxicated state."

It makes no difference. If he caused the ejection, that's on him.
 
i'm not quoting the contract.

never did and I apologize if that was where the confusion is.

doesn't change the fact that if the driver really felt uncomfortable/threatened by the fact that the passenger is drunk, he should have not picked up the fare.

if he picked up the fare, he should have completed it as agreed upon.

if at any time he felt threatened during the fare, he should have called the cops.

what is so difficult about that?
If I called the cops every time a drunken passenger posed a threat I'd have 911 on speed dial. I've read your answers and I think you're confused about personal responsibility. If a rider is out of control, which they often can be in my 2100 Uber ride experience, it is my right to kick them out wherever we are. If someone is being rude or threatening, I can drop them off on the side of the freeway and not break any laws. It's my car, it's my time, it's my life, and if you're going to be an asshole, f*ck off. Not my problem what happens to you. Uber doesn't pay us, Uber doesn't own us, they don't tell us what to do. Uber provides us with an app, the passengers use that app, and we get paid by the passengers through the Uber app. As much as I criticize Uber, and as much as I dislike the way they do business, I feel that the only persons at fault here, are the passenger, and the homeowner. If you're too drunk to realize you're not even in your own home, and are stupid enough to get thrown out of an Uber, you're the problem, you're your problem. If a stupid drunk gets in your house confused and you kill them, you're also the problem. We aren't god damn baby sitters.
 
Before the cancel fee went away I would say $5 isn't so bad with not dealing with a drunk and I'm sure if the distance was that great the driver wouldn't have accepted the ping anyways

What would you rather have on your hand? The idea that you could have done something (eg call the cops and have this person stored away in a tank until they sober up) or the idea that you let him off in an area unfamiliar to him and look, he did get hurt, not just hurt but killed.

But I guess that's bringing it back to the moral point and you're not interested in that and I could try to find cases similar to make a legal stance but then that means I REALLY have an axe to grind

Which I don't, I'm just strongly advocating on the other side because y'all stacked against the drunk passenger, who isn't innocent but damn, the driver should have called the cops.

And yes, in my neck of the woods, cops will come out ASAP

Examples--when I was five I misdialed (grandma number starts with 9) and I hung up quickly, cops showed up less than five minutes later, which sucked for my dad who was two minutes after (stepped out to grocery store around the corner).

Someone in my neighborhood called on a homeless guy that was taking shelter in an abandoned house (later got teared down and a new one built, it's a nice area but the house just got to be an eyesore) and SIX cop cars showed up, so a total of 12 cops for one homeless guy

Oh, once at work, nice area again, I don't work there anymore so I can tell you it's pac heights (google it, I believe that author Danielle steel is in the area, her servants drops off her Chanel suits to the drycleaner around the block frm us)...a homeless guy was sleeping in our front door. My manager calls the cops (nonemergency) and they show up in less then ten minute and good thing, since that man had a knife under his sleeping bag.

But hey, y'all like to have your cake and eat it too
Please consider that you are looking at this incident with 20/20 hindsight and knowledge of what happened after the eject. We don't know why he was ejected from the vehicle, and we only have one side of the story. So, from a moral standpoint, some actions are enough to get you ejected, but the situation at the time may not have warranted the escalation to getting the police involved. It comes down to judgement at the time.
 
Interesting the some people state the driver is to blame for being dropping pax off in a bad area, that being the case why not sue the local police for not cleaning up the area. People need to be accountable for their action , sorry that this person is dead but people in all walks of life to own up and take responsibility for their actions.
 
Interesting the some people state the driver is to blame for being dropping pax off in a bad area, that being the case why not sue the local police for not cleaning up the area. People need to be accountable for their action , sorry that this person is dead but people in all walks of life to own up and take responsibility for their actions.
By that logic shouldn't the driver have to live up to his responsibility?
 
Demon the driver cant be responsible for what the pax does once he is out of his car. Opening up big can of worms, without knowing the full facts i would be guessing this probably occurred lets say 15 minutes after getting out of the vehicle. Do you set a time limit for example after the pax gets out of vehicle what ever he does the driver is responsible, clearly NO. Lets say for example if your state speed limit is 100kmh , i kill somebody driving my vehicle doing 130 kmh do i sue the car manufacturer for building vehicles that can do 200kmh way above the state speed limit. No because clearly its my responsibility.
 
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