[UbeRoBo]

I once accepted a offer about 8 bucks.
I did not notice that there was a 5 dollar bonus in my area and you get 3 . So the 8 is with out tip.
I show up at the restaurant the order had 78 dollars of food.
This was actually last week.
I was not happy actually pissed off but calm .
I told my wife was with me im NOT delivering 80 dollars of food for ZERO TIP!
When hell freezes over !
I show up to a hotel . I have all the food in 4 big bags.
I did not just ditch the bags as usual as knock and go.
I knock and ring the buzzer. Somebody yell thank you ..... I yell come to the door ...
About 2 minutes passes im still waiting . They reach for the bags .... I pull them back ...
( I am sorry but somebody forgot to TIP ME ON A 80 DOLLAR ORDER !!! ) i hold the bags in my hand ,
We do a stare at each other. ( I am sorry but ill be blunt i will return your food back to a restaurant if your not going to tip me and it will be cold ) I really dont give a .blank .
They said nothing open there wallet and gave me all the money they had in it 5 bucks. I hand them the food and leave after putting a note in the app saying customer was very rude to me and yelling to cover my butt.

Wow, you are a fool. You aren't entitled to a tip. Give them the food and move on without your tip. Your wife sure picked a winner. Please don't reproduce.

 

[kingcorey321]

Wow, you are a fool. You aren't entitled to a tip. Give them the food and move on without your tip. Your wife sure picked a winner. Please don't reproduce.

everybody has an opinion. Your so angry did somebody forget to take there meds ?
Yes im a loser i own my own wholesale business it runs it self .I trade fx over 20 years . wife or i never have to worry about money again,
Do you think i care what a idiot non tipper tells dd ? * ( OW THE DRIVER SAID I MUST OF FOR GOT TO TIP HIM )
My reply yes its true . Again to be clear i only do dd for something to do gets me out of the house,
So talk to your doctor get some be cool meds somebody really needs them !

 

[Cdub2k]

I once accepted a offer about 8 bucks.
I did not notice that there was a 5 dollar bonus in my area and you get 3 . So the 8 is with out tip.
I show up at the restaurant the order had 78 dollars of food.
This was actually last week.
I was not happy actually pissed off but calm .
I told my wife was with me im NOT delivering 80 dollars of food for ZERO TIP!
When hell freezes over !
I show up to a hotel . I have all the food in 4 big bags.
I did not just ditch the bags as usual as knock and go.
I knock and ring the buzzer. Somebody yell thank you ..... I yell come to the door ...
About 2 minutes passes im still waiting . They reach for the bags .... I pull them back ...
( I am sorry but somebody forgot to TIP ME ON A 80 DOLLAR ORDER !!! ) i hold the bags in my hand ,
We do a stare at each other. ( I am sorry but ill be blunt i will return your food back to a restaurant if your not going to tip me and it will be cold ) I really dont give a .blank .
They said nothing open there wallet and gave me all the money they had in it 5 bucks. I hand them the food and leave after putting a note in the app saying customer was very rude to me and yelling to cover my butt.

You are my Hero

Wow, you are a fool. You aren't entitled to a tip. Give them the food and move on without your tip. Your wife sure picked a winner. Please don't reproduce.

If someone stiffs a waiter or waitress they will be refused service at that restaurant the next time they show their face at that establishment. When I delivered pizzas if I got stiffed I'd write down that address and name just so I'd skip that address the next time and if all of the drivers at the store pass on them they are shit out of luck unless they want to get off their ass and go pick it up themselves.

Now I wouldn't have done what kingcorey did but these delivery apps pay a shit wage because we do rely on tips just like a waitresses and waiters do.

 

[ThrowInTheTowel]

That does NOT make sense to me. People don't tip as a percentage of the delivery fee, they tip based on the price of the food they paid
I've delivered $40 food orders on a trip that was $3 bucks, and got an $10 tip, so I take ALL short orders, the more the merrier. In fact, i REJECT anything over $6, because it greatly reduces the total amount of food I can deliver. A $15 order means I have to drive all the way across town ( meaning I have to deadhead back, because I like driving near where I live ). So, NO long deliveries for me. What if the deliver is across town, and it's only a burger and fries? That's a long distance for what will be no more than buck tip, if that. Since the deliveries doen't tell me the size of the food order, I take all the short ones. If they a non tippers, at least I didn't drive a long ways.

Maybe that's why I'm so busy, all the other drivers think like you do and are leaving all the short trips for guys like me. Yesterday for 2 1/2 hours of driving I made $70. I don't do that all the time, but i took no order over $6.

I don't think I understand you correctly. You said what he/she stated doesn't make sense but I'm trying to make sense out of what your saying. You said customers tip based on the price of the food they paid? On Doordash when an order pays $3 that amount is usually the base pay only that Doordash pays. It means 99% most likely the customer left zero tip. It doesn't matter what formula the customer uses to calculate tips because there is no tip.

Why would anyone accept an order regardless how short of a distance for a base pay off $3 with no tip? This kind of no tip behavior will be encouraged to continue. Anyone who thinks its ok to order takeout, have a driver go pick it up, have it delivered to their front door, using driver's own personal vehicle, for a base pay of $3 (no tip) doesn't even deserve access to the App.

 

[manruss]

I am amazed at what many are writing here with regards to their being entitled to tip. NO YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A TIP. Tip is a perk that comes with the job. If you care to read receipts from restaurants, tipping is a suggestion and recommendation. Paying for the food though is NOT and driving to deliver is also NOT. They are obligations.
I am worried that this clear area turned gray real quick for many people.

It is expected from a Customer to give a tip BUT people when you signed up to deliver I am certain the terms did not state you must get a tip as part of your payout and you agreed.

Just deliver and move on. It is not your food and definitely not your money.

 

[ThrowInTheTowel]

I hear ya, but my attitude is just not to worry about a tip. I would actually have a bigger problem with a long drive and no tip than a big order with no tip. At the end of the week, it all averages out. Fretting over tips is a losing battle, you run the risk of stressing yourself out. This is not a good job for alpha types.

Are you driving to make money or just to kill some time? I agree that getting obsessed or stressed over tips is not the answer. If there is bonus pay that increases the pay rate to my satisfaction then I will accept the order regardless of whether there is a tip or not. If the company wants to eat the loss and encourage no tipping then so be it, however I driver shouldn't be accepting orders that they know upfront has zero tip.

There is no way possible you can be profitable taking $3 orders and burning up to half that on gas. You are doing a disservice to other drivers and encouraging customers to continue this bad behavior when they see how many foolish people are willing to do it.

 

[manruss]

Are you driving to make money or just to kill some time? I agree that getting obsessed or stressed over tips is not the answer. If there is bonus pay that increases the pay rate to my satisfaction then I will accept the order regardless of whether there is a tip or not. If the company wants to eat the loss and encourage no tipping then so be it, however I driver shouldn't be accepting orders that they know upfront has zero tip.

There is no way possible you can be profitable taking $3 orders and burning up to half that on gas. You are doing a disservice to other drivers and encouraging customers to continue this bad behavior when they see how man foolish people are willing to do it.

Just curious - how much $/hr pay average do you believe or expect to be ok with?

 

[ThrowInTheTowel]

I am amazed at what many are writing here with regards to their being entitled to tip. NO YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A TIP. Tip is a perk that comes with the job. If you care to read receipts from restaurants, tipping is a suggestion and recommendation. Paying for the food though is NOT and driving to deliver is also NOT. They are obligations.
I am worried that this clear area turned gray real quick for many people.

It is expected from a Customer to give a tip BUT people when you signed up to deliver I am certain the terms did not state you must get a tip as part of your payout and you agreed.

Just deliver and move on. It is not your food and definitely not your money.

I think you are missing the point here. For the record you are absolutely right, no one is entitled to a tip. It is a common courtesy that most people with any kind of morals offer for good service but not required.

The point we are making is why even accept the order in the first place. Just like the customer is not obligated to tip I am not obligated take your charity care order and lose money. If you are foolish enough to accept the order then yes man up and just deliver it. However let's not try to make the driver feel petty because he cares about his bottom line. No it doesn't balance out at the end of day and yes the algorithm will start to send you more when it sees your foolish enough to accept them.

 

[manruss]

I think you are missing the point here. For the record you are absolutely right, no one is entitled to a tip. It is a common courtesy that most people with any kind of morals offer for good service but not required.

The point we are making is why even accept the order in the first place. Just like the customer is not obligated to tip I am not obligated take your charity care order and lose money. If you are foolish enough to accept the order then yes man up and just deliver it. However let's not try to make the driver feel petty because he cares about his bottom line. No it doesn't balance out at the end of day and yes the algorithm will start to send you more when it sees your foolish enough to accept them.

I agree - it is a choice of a driver to take an order that has no tip upfront based on his/her priority. I would guess in doordash - cancellations or frequent non acceptance des not affect driver ratings.

on balancing out, yes it believe it would because your area of delivery could determine your next Customer who could be a huge "tipper."

 

[ThrowInTheTowel]

Just curious - how much $/hr pay average do you believe or expect to be ok with?

The minimum amount of pay per order a driver is willing to accept is going to vary by driver and by region. Regardless we should all be in agreement that base pay orders (no tip) should not be accepted under any circumstances.

To answer your question I will share with you my strategy. Weekdays (Mon-Thu) in my area it is a little slower so my minimum is $6. That's roughly $3 base pay, $3 tip per order for local deliveries only. On weekends (Fri-Sun) my minimum is $8. That's roughly $3 base pay, $5 tip per order. If there is promo pay during peak times on weekends my minimum is $9.

This is what works for me and can change based on the nature of the business. If another driver wants to accept less or more that is their choice. If they want to sit for 8 hours waiting for one $20 order that is their choice. However, please do not accept base pay orders with no tip.

I agree - it is a choice of a driver to take an order that has no tip upfront based on his/her priority. I would guess in doordash - cancellations or frequent non acceptance des not affect driver ratings.

on balancing out, yes it believe it would because your area of delivery could determine your next Customer who could be a huge "tipper."

Can you please explain what you mean by the area of delivery? If certain areas have better tippers those are the areas I will drive at. Are you saying that you will take a no tip order because it will send you to a more profitable area? If that is the case sure why not but it would only be occasionally. For the time and gas spent to pick up and deliver the $3 order, it would probably still be better just to go straight to the better area.

 

[rideshareapphero]

Either a new driver picks up the order or dd matches the order with another order to make the order look more appealing.

 

[DiceyDan]

To answer your question I will share with you my strategy. Weekdays (Mon-Thu) in my area it is a little slower so my minimum is $6. That's roughly $3 base pay, $3 tip per order for local deliveries only. On weekends (Fri-Sun) my minimum is $8. That's roughly $3 base pay, $5 tip per order. If there is promo pay during peak times on weekends my minimum is $9.

These are my standards too! I 100% agree with your explanation. Just to add a few other things... opportunity cost taking that $3 order may cause the Dasher to lose out on a more profitable order.
I've also noticed on lower paying offers, the customers have asked me to do more, apts hard to find or 3/4/5 floor, and/or problematic.
A tip I've learned on DD, if your area is busy, set up a short timeframe in the schedule. Like 30 min or 1 hr at a time. I usually always get good offers than when I set a 5 hr window.

 

[ThrowInTheTowel]

To answer your question I will share with you my strategy. Weekdays (Mon-Thu) in my area it is a little slower so my minimum is $6. That's roughly $3 base pay, $3 tip per order for local deliveries only. On weekends (Fri-Sun) my minimum is $8. That's roughly $3 base pay, $5 tip per order. If there is promo pay during peak times on weekends my minimum is $9.

These are my standards too! I 100% agree with your explanation. Just to add a few other things... opportunity cost taking that $3 order may cause the Dasher to lose out on a more profitable order.
I've also noticed on lower paying offers, the customers have asked me to do more, apts hard to find or 3/4/5 floor, and/or problematic.
A tip I've learned on DD, if your area is busy, set up a short timeframe in the schedule. Like 30 min or 1 hr at a time. I usually always get good offers than when I set a 5 hr window.

Great point regarding the fact that opportunity costs. That even applies to higher paying orders also. I can't count the number of times I declined a $12 (10 mile) order only to get a $12.75 (4 mile) order right after. A 10 mile order with a nearby pickup is much less appealing because all 10 miles are to the customer's location possibly taking you out of you preferred area. There are enough challenges trying to make a profit and taking no tip orders just adds insult to injury.

 

[MontcoUberDriver]

NO YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A TIP.

You don't have to tip. And I don't have to deliver your food. You can always pick up your own food.

 

[Oscar Levant]

Are you driving to make money or just to kill some time? I agree that getting obsessed or stressed over tips is not the answer. If there is bonus pay that increases the pay rate to my satisfaction then I will accept the order regardless of whether there is a tip or not. If the company wants to eat the loss and encourage no tipping then so be it, however I driver shouldn't be accepting orders that they know upfront has zero tip.

There is no way possible you can be profitable taking $3 orders and burning up to half that on gas. You are doing a disservice to other drivers and encouraging customers to continue this bad behavior when they see how many foolish people are willing to do it.

I respectfully disagree. I do fine on short trips. People tip according to the overall tab, which is driven by how much food they order, not how long the trip was. I'd prefer a short trip with a $40 food tab, than a long trip with a $10 tab.

I've tried it both ways, and made some comparisons.

I cherry picked long ones, drove all day on them.

I cherry picked short ones, drove all day on them.

And you know what I noticed?

I noticed that I made about the same amount of money. EXCEPT for this:

Thing is, on the former my mileage was about 130 miles, and my paid mileage was about a buck per mile.

On the latter my mileage was about 65 miles, and about TWO BUCKS per mile. (dividing gross by total miles driven. not talking about metered miles )

So, on a cost/profit per mile basis, the shorter trip strategy is better.

Do that for three years and you'll come out ahead with shorter trips on maintenance and depreciation, despite the fact you'll have a better standard deduction with the longer trips.

See, if a drive a long ways to deliver, and I don't get a tip, that hurts, but if it's a few blocks, just a shrug of the shoulders.

I don't take trips over $6, as a general rule, though I will, if the trip starts from the outer edge of my zone and goes to the other side. in other words, if a trip takes me way out of my zone, I decline it because of the increase of dead miles. Here's the thing, when I accept long trips I always wound up in the burbs where everything is spread out, and this increase the end of shift mileage greatly. I prefered to take short trips in a hub area, were I can keep the mileage count low, and the trip count high.

In my view, the more food you deliver, the more tips you make, and taking shorter trips means more food is delivered.

And, as I am officially a certified old fart, more trips means more stairs to climb, the exercise of which I need as a senior citizen.

UberEats is about quantity of trips, UberX is about quality of trips ( the longer, the better ).

That's how I prefer to do it, anyway. To each his own.

 

[ColonyMark]

That does NOT make sense to me. People don't tip as a percentage of the delivery fee, they tip based on the price of the food they paid
I've delivered $40 food orders on a trip that was $3 bucks, and got an $10 tip, so I take ALL short orders, the more the merrier. In fact, i REJECT anything over $6, because it greatly reduces the total amount of food I can deliver. A $15 order means I have to drive all the way across town ( meaning I have to deadhead back, because I like driving near where I live ). So, NO long deliveries for me. What if the deliver is across town, and it's only a burger and fries? That's a long distance for what will be no more than buck tip, if that. Since the deliveries doen't tell me the size of the food order, I take all the short ones. If they a non tippers, at least I didn't drive a long ways.

Maybe that's why I'm so busy, all the other drivers think like you do and are leaving all the short trips for guys like me. Yesterday for 2 1/2 hours of driving I made $70. I don't do that all the time, but i took no order over $6.

In my market when customers order on doordash, they are asked up front if they want to leave a tip. So if I see a minimum $3 order it bothers me that the customer decided not to tip. Not even a dollar. So I won't take those orders. A waiter at a restaurant noticed a customer sit down in his section. This customer never tips. That waiter won't be motivated to give that customer great service.

I am amazed at what many are writing here with regards to their being entitled to tip. NO YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A TIP. Tip is a perk that comes with the job. If you care to read receipts from restaurants, tipping is a suggestion and recommendation. Paying for the food though is NOT and driving to deliver is also NOT. They are obligations.
I am worried that this clear area turned gray real quick for many people.

It is expected from a Customer to give a tip BUT people when you signed up to deliver I am certain the terms did not state you must get a tip as part of your payout and you agreed.

Just deliver and move on. It is not your food and definitely not your money.

We are NOT obligated to deliver. That's why we have the choice to accept a request or decline.!

 

[Cdub2k]

Paying for the food though is NOT and driving to deliver is also NOT. They are obligations.

As an Independent Contractor you aren't obligated to accept a Delivery Request. You can decide not to accept the order and it's perfectly legal. It is not an obligation. If you are an employee of Dominos, Pizza Hut or any restaurant your statement is correct. Even in that scenario if I get popped for a known Non Tipper I will make sure I'm not the Driver for that order the next time around.

 

[ThrowInTheTowel]

I respectfully disagree. I do fine on short trips. People tip according to the overall tab, which is driven by how much food they order, not how long the trip was. I'd prefer a short trip with a $40 food tab, than a long trip with a $10 tab.

I've tried it both ways, and made some comparisons.

I cherry picked long ones, drove all day on them.

I cherry picked short ones, drove all day on them.

And you know what I noticed?

I noticed that I made about the same amount of money. EXCEPT for this:

Thing is, on the former my mileage was about 130 miles, and my paid mileage was about a buck per mile.

On the latter my mileage was about 65 miles, and about TWO BUCKS per mile. (dividing gross by total miles driven. not talking about metered miles )

So, on a cost/profit per mile basis, the shorter trip strategy is better.

Do that for three years and you'll come out ahead with shorter trips on maintenance and depreciation, despite the fact you'll have a better standard deduction with the longer trips.

See, if a drive a long ways to deliver, and I don't get a tip, that hurts, but if it's a few blocks, just a shrug of the shoulders.

I don't take trips over $6, as a general rule, though I will, if the trip starts from the outer edge of my zone and goes to the other side. in other words, if a trip takes me way out of my zone, I decline it because of the increase of dead miles. Here's the thing, when I accept long trips I always wound up in the burbs where everything is spread out, and this increase the end of shift mileage greatly. I prefered to take short trips in a hub area, were I can keep the mileage count low, and the trip count high.

In my view, the more food you deliver, the more tips you make, and taking shorter trips means more food is delivered.

And, as I am officially a certified old fart, more trips means more stairs to climb, the exercise of which I need as a senior citizen.

UberEats is about quantity of trips, UberX is about quality of trips ( the longer, the better ).

That's how I prefer to do it, anyway. To each his own.

For some reason we keep comparing apples to oranges here. This is not about short trips versus long trips. I have absolutely no issues whatsoever with short trips. I have taken a $5.00, 1.5 mile Chipotle order a number of times because the one in my area has the bags waiting 90% of the time. Basically it is $3 base pay, $2 tip.

I was able to finish the order from start to finish in less than 10 minutes. I would rather do 4 of those per hour all day rather than run back and forth cross town doing $9 orders. The point most of us are making here is if an order only pays $3 base pay with no tip, it doesn't matter if it's only 100 feet, no one should accept it on principal alone. I'm sorry but there is no way to spin it that taking a short distance $3 order is beneficial in any way.

 

[KevinJohnson]

Ran for months on UE now switching to DD. Since DD is showing part of the tip upfront you must adjust your strategy for the differences.
Love short runs @Oscar Levant I am now declining the longer runs.

One thing I noticed is DD is using the stacked feature to an order when it is really a separate trip. Asked me to pick up order 2 after dropping order 1. Not really a stack but okay.
Glad I did. Fancy steak place basically in the same building I dropped at and pay ended at $17 for a short drive. Cannot remember the guarantee maybe $10.

Noob questions for you experienced DD:
Why do they only tell us the partial tip amount? Not complaining, always happy when guaranteed $10 pays $14.
Question 2. Why are the tip amounts all even? $4.00 $6.00 $7.00?

Noob question 3: Delivering a stacked order at lunchtime, the app had me deliver order 1 which was several blocks beyond order 2. Cust 2 texted me saying you went past my building are you lost. Does this happen alot and why? She was right I should have dropped her first but of course could not see her address.

Thanks in advance.

 

[The Jax]

I once accepted a offer about 8 bucks.
I did not notice that there was a 5 dollar bonus in my area and you get 3 . So the 8 is with out tip.
I show up at the restaurant the order had 78 dollars of food.
This was actually last week.
I was not happy actually pissed off but calm .
I told my wife was with me im NOT delivering 80 dollars of food for ZERO TIP!
When hell freezes over !
I show up to a hotel . I have all the food in 4 big bags.
I did not just ditch the bags as usual as knock and go.
I knock and ring the buzzer. Somebody yell thank you ..... I yell come to the door ...
About 2 minutes passes im still waiting . They reach for the bags .... I pull them back ...
( I am sorry but somebody forgot to TIP ME ON A 80 DOLLAR ORDER !!! ) i hold the bags in my hand ,
We do a stare at each other. ( I am sorry but ill be blunt i will return your food back to a restaurant if your not going to tip me and it will be cold ) I really dont give a .blank .
They said nothing open there wallet and gave me all the money they had in it 5 bucks. I hand them the food and leave after putting a note in the app saying customer was very rude to me and yelling to cover my butt.

I absolutely admire your tenacity but I am disappointed with your tact and customer service. Its not difficult to ask for a tip in a nice way. I basically show them the app then say, "Hey, I notice you did not tip in the app. Will you be doing that in cash today?". Most will go look for cash (oops!) and pay me a tip. Some will will look confused so then I will repeat, "Oh i'm sorry. What I said was, in the delivery app.. You know where you ordered from? Yea it stated you didn't tip in the app. Are you tipping in cash today at the door or are you opting out?". That way, if a customer is a complete and utter ****** bag and has the audacity to say they are opting out, at least its professional and not a bad customer experience for them. I have had many opt out and never give me a bad rating.

There are those VERY VERY rare occasions, I would say I have maybe done this 5 times in my 20+ years delivering (I delivered before the apps as well) where I will leave the food in the car in the situation its a very large order and there is NO TIP and its one of those areas you think you will be stiffed. I will kindly identify myself at the door as the delivery driver and tell them its a large order and then ask them where they would like me to bring it (doorstep, kitchen, etc) after I grab it. After they tell me, I mention that they didn't tip in the app and ask if they will be tipping here at the door. I had 5 different instances where customers said they weren't tipping and I very much apologized and told them that I was unable to complete the order and that I would be returning the order to the store.

For the apps, thats usually not a huge deal. But when I worked as a driver for a major pizza chain, yea, it becomes a problem. However, I am not delivering 30 pizzas to your multi million dollar country club party and not receiving a tip. You can take it up with the manager, who knows I have other income and doesn't control me and is welcome to fire me anytime they like and I won't care.

Anyway, moral of the story, get paid but be nice.