Seattle's pay floor is good BUT it's catered to serve Seattle.

Notice that after 30 mph that it begins to fail and drivers start losing because per vehicle mile costs are fixed.

So taking long trips still doesn't pay the same per mile as short trips.

Because Uber and Lyft just rapidly throw trips at drivers who tend to take everything because they are ignorant newbies. A flat pay per engaged mile should be used with an allocation for time for waiting, stops at $1 per minute but grace 3 minutes free.

Now for cities where traffic snarls occur or during morning and evening rush hours, an additional per minute rate should apply.

Everything should work that drivers are covered for their reasonable vehicle costs per mile (usually between .70-.80 mile) and labor costs ($30,000 a year full time) of apx .86-.90 a mile while engaged.

Also one should get at least one paid return to their home pax in the trunk or not.

Then there should be driver caps in areas of oversaturation so drivers are just inclined to work until tired then hand the reigns over. Not everyone waiting up 18 hours a day for enough trips to survive on.

I'd rather work steadily for 6-7 hours then call it a day. Drivers can put in their schedules and Uber/Lyft will try to accommodate.

And driver preferences should have options to refuse animals, even service ones as well as other constraints like luggage and wheelchairs. Pay those drivers that enable these options less money for being unable to comply.

All in all the whole goddam system needs revamping and no way in hell will Uber or Lyft comply UNLESS the entire State of drivers boycotts against them. Good luck because turnover is 50-70% currently so nearly everyone is a goddam scab.

So since we know none of this will happen it was nice fantasying about it anyway.

The unions will just collect dues and accomplish nothing because Uber/Lyft business model is based upon exploiting ignorant drivers, if they can't do that they will simply leave the state.

 

Where do you get 80c per mile in costs? I’ve posted an example before on this and I don’t believe you responded, about someone doing uber in a new Corolla over 100,000 miles. No way they incur $80k in costs. Tax basis, maybe. Not actual however.

if I have a 2019 civic and put on 30k miles doing uber, and have 120,000 miles on my odometer instead of 90,000, these are my costs in that year:

per kbb-depreciation 2359
Gas 3000 (30 mpg avg, $3 per gallon)
New Tires 759
Brakes 800
Oil changes 500
Inspections 50
Filters 80
Random 500

that’s about $8000 or 27c per mile. I didn’t include insurance as I have to have it already whether I drive or not. But add another .04 if you like. Still nowhere near 80c.

 

Please start your own thread rather than wasting space with off-topic posts of plagiarized material.

(EDIT: ObeyTheNumbers has made over 9k posts on this board in three years. Who funds him?)

 

I'm the only person I know that has lived on and managed to buy a brand new $47,500 van for cash completely off an Uber drivers income.

Obviously I know something about math and this business, unlike the crappy pay floors MA has. 😆

So get off the pay per hour teat which is screwing yourself and all drivers and learn the RIGHT way to do things, like what taxis have done for decades.

After all they managed to stay in business as Uber drivers generally don't with a 50-70% annual turnover rate for drivers.

Listen to me and you'll win or Uber just leaves the State which will allow the taxis once again and drivers will start making money again.

Unless of course you don't want to make money then just keep following stupid.

 

Unlimited destination and area filters that actually work. Have ride filters directly in the app so that rides that don't meet your criteria never even ping your phone

 

Unlimited destination...

For a brief time, Boston had 6 Destination Filters a day. It messed Uber up so much that it lasted about a week.
Maybe try a third-party app like Mystro, which filters offers.

 

They should raise the state minimum to at least $38.00 and reduce the sick time pay earning to 10 hours of active time.

 

Minimum rate should be price at the time of the ride.

All incentives are additional earnings and cannot be diluted.

Selling additional work if driver will agree to sub-standard wages is fined “per occurrence”

14 day pay settlement is outlawed.

If a driver is paid below minimum wage , the app company is treated like any other employer

That’s a start

 

I have a long list of basic wants, many of which would not cost Uber a dime. Starting with making the app work as it should, and stop crippling it further with each "improvement" cycle.

But first the union needs to show its power. It's like the advice given to the guy who enters prison for the first time. Go find Bubba and give him a shiner. Then the other inmates know the new guy is not a pushover (or not). The union must show it has the power to to cripple Uber by taking enough drivers offline in a strike. Once that is demonstrated the company will actually start paying attention to what will be a very long list of demands.

But of course, reestablishment of a rate card comes first.

 

... It's like the advice given to the guy who enters prison for the first time. Go find Bubba and give him a shiner. Then the other inmates know the new guy is not a pushover (or not)...

Uh yea that advice is actually quite bad actually so seriously don't do that.

It assumes, wrongly, that every inmate is an individual when in fact gangs run prisons and an attack on one usually results in a dog pile of shanks in your chest.

You hook up with your own kind and get the lay of the land, then if someone screws with you then you plan with your gang to get your respect back.

Sometimes gangs are allies with one another and the leaders don't want conflict so things get squashed without resorting to public displays of violence which gets two friendly gangs fighting one another.

After all the two aligned gangs often have a common purpose or enemy so that's more important than some petty issue.

Rules of conduct will be laid out if they accept you and want you around, if not they will run you off or even kill you.

But a black eye? Major disrespect right there that demands someone dies. If your not willing to kill, then don't start trouble. But then don't be disrespected neither.

Some disrespect you unintentionally and if you point it out they usually apologize and say "no disrespect intended" but if they give you flack then yea, shove your shiv right in their neck.

If your going to bother to do crime then you should learn what it takes to be a real convict. Because your headed to gladiator school for sure.

 

The App Drivers Union has a long way to go before it's a done deal. It's expected that U/L will slow the path with court action, but the Union should prevail.

What do you want the ADU to negotiate for?

My top four are:
· A rate card (similar to Seattle's, better pay)
· Separate incentives and bonuses from customer pay.
· One background check, every two years.
· A subscription-based competitor (like Empower)

The first one, a Seattle-level pay rate card ($1.59 per mile/$0.68 per minute) is the most important but don't overlook the absolutely vital companion to that... a 25% CAP on how much Uber can take from ANY ride. This means that drivers must be guaranteed at least 75% of the total revenue from each ride, period.

The major flaw of the Washington State rideshare law was the failure to include a cap on how much Uber and Lyft can take. The result is price-gouging by Uber and Lyft and a reduction in the number of rides for the drivers.

The problem with Empower is they don't provide commercial insurance for their drivers. If they did they'd be allowed to operate.

 

The problem with Empower is they don't provide commercial insurance for their drivers. If they did they'd be allowed to operate.

Engaged-time livery insurance, offered directly to drivers by the MA auto insurers.
A new type of insurance policy to work around the U/L duopoly.
More money for the insurance industry is a great incentive.

 

How were you able to drive that much being in a straight jacket? Or did they let you out on the weekends?

One of his past comments stated that he received huge big settlement. He became an instant rich man overnight. Using that new found wealth, he brought a few things then flexing in this forum..

It is analogous to someone who has been working for a company paycheck to paycheck most of his life, then suddenly won a big lottery one day.. then he went ahead to say his company and boss and coworkers are crap 🤪

The money was not earned as opposed to using a set of skills (such as stock trading etc..). If it wasn't for the settlement, he'll probably be grinding uber with a bad health right now.

 

... then he went ahead to say his company and boss and coworkers are crap 🤪

The company IS crap and the coworkers largely ignorant of their true costs of doing this sort of work and what would make it right.

But we are putting the pieces together

Average annual driving of 35,000 miles a year.

40 hour work week with 7 hours maximum driving per day.

Vehicle and business expenses at .80 cents a mile.

Annual $30,000 year salary broken up by 35,000 annual miles is .86 cents per vehicle mile (paid or unpaid)

Add it all up, $1.66 per engaged mile. Add time as needed.

With 50% deadheading (for long trips) that's $3.32 an engaged mile plus time as needed.

Wait time after 3 minutes...$1 per minute.

Driver caps as to make sure those who are working are getting enough pay within their 7 hours. Heck I think Lyft was trying to that already "Too many drivers, go offline for awhile" 😆

 

Single suggestion per post, please.

 

That unions get a hold of all drivers and organize to strike.

Not to use the unions as a means to recruit or support a particular political party like that's the only way they will get what they want.

Work from a position of strength of unity, uniting all drivers regardless of their political leanings.

After all it's all about the money and Uber and Lyft won't bend unless drivers can uniformly strike.

If a union tried shoving their politics up my arse I would nod in agreement and scab as much as I could.

It's not like unions can send thugs around to break drivers legs or something.

So first thing first would be a massive advertising campaigns to reach as many drivers as possible and call them to organize a mass strike on demand.

Once all drivers are on board the power will shift into the drivers hands for a change. Then Uber and Lyft can either comply or get the f out and let the taxis take over.

It will be the good old days once again.

But if you rely upon the government teat, they will screw you like they already have with crap like Prop 22 and pay floors tied to time with insufficient vehicle cost coverage.

I highly suspect any unions there will simply lift their leg and let Uber and Lyft have their way with their nut sac as long as it keeps the dues flowing.

Currently MA has one of the worse driver pay floors in the country, right along with Prop 22 which Uber created.

So either stand up, get a real sustainable pay, or drive Uber and Lyft out or just give up your nut sac to them like I suspect you will. 😆

The only thing that will work against Uber and Lyft is absolute leverage, not relying upon those leftist cowards (like Newsome) making backroom deals behind your backs.

I have no respect for weakness.

 

Energy vampires.

 

Understand your enemy.