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if it's a longer trip, offer to drive pax outside the surge zone and reorder. You get your flat amount, pax saves money, and uber doesn't their king's ransom. It sounds like kind of a pain, but I'm always to work a little harder to see uber take a hit.
Make sure the pax understands why you're doing it, and I guess maybe you get a nice tip.
 

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if it's a longer trip, offer to drive pax outside the surge zone and reorder. You get your flat amount, pax saves money, and uber doesn't their king's ransom. It sounds like kind of a pain, but I'm always to work a little harder to see uber take a hit.
Not a bad idea per se but I'm willing to bet if drivers start doing this no pax that reordered mid surge ride would be rematched with that same driver.
 

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If Uber charges a customer $100 for a surge and only gives me $5, I just won't take surges anymore.

Once Uber starts taking 90% of the fare, forget it.
Ninety percent. Really? That's your line in the sand?
Now, that means ten percent to YOU, right ?

So, now, the pax doesn't tip you, Uber does. You get ten percent of what they make.
SMH.
 

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if it's a longer trip, offer to drive pax outside the surge zone and reorder. You get your flat amount, pax saves money, and uber doesn't their king's ransom. It sounds like kind of a pain, but I'm always to work a little harder to see uber take a hit.
There's no guarantee you'll be re-matched with the same pax even if they're in your car.
 

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Also it is not that easy to convince the pax to do this. In major markets like new york, San Francisco, Seattle, etc, you have pax that order rides in high surge but a lot of the time they have their rides expensed. They do not care how much the ride is because they are not paying for it.

Another solution is after the ride you can email Uber and just ask them to charge them the fare based on what you got paid and then ask the passenger to to some more when they see their fare adjusted, but that is also a long shot.
 

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It's hard to say how I'll respond until I actually try the new system and see how it works. I rarely drive surge periods anyway. I'm a part-time, 90% daytime, NEVER late night driver -- so a change in surge pricing really isn't going to affect me that much.

But, from what I know of the flat-surge system, I think my strategy would be to either not drive surge at all, or try to drive in areas where I'm only likely to get short rides (we have several of those, and they are surge areas).

Realistically, Uber is going to do whatever they want to do -- and there will be an abundant supply of ants happily working the "surge" for pennies.

Uber doesn't care if the new policy hurts full-time drivers who HAVE to drive long hours to support their families. Drivers are a minimal-expense, expendable, renewable resource for Uber -- less important than toilet paper in the HQ.

if it's a longer trip, offer to drive pax outside the surge zone and reorder. You get your flat amount, pax saves money, and uber doesn't their king's ransom. It sounds like kind of a pain, but I'm always to work a little harder to see uber take a hit.
IF you're going to do that, and the pax agrees, the strategy would be to end the ride and switch them to Lyft. As Hagong said above, you probably won't get the Uber re-request -- but with Lyft, you will.
 

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If Uber is taking that high of a %...
It will be in both the riders and passengers best interest to cut Uber out of the equation. (Except for the insurance issue)


It’s gonna lead to a TON of fares getting taken off the books.

Hey this is a surge fare...

How about we cut out Uber and I’ll cut your cost in half?


Who in their right mind is gonna say no to that?

I can honestly say if I was still driving Uber that would be my first thought. That and getting commercial insurance again...
 

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The algorithm is set to find patterns. If it finds one, the pax or driver gets flagged and the whole thing gets bumped upstairs to human eyes. If the human agrees, or can't find a reason to disagree, action will be taken.

As much as we say Uber is stupid, it's not THAT stupid. Don't make the mistake of thinking they are.
 

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That and getting commercial insurance again...
What was the cost of that for you? What I'm curious about is would cutting uber out of the equation like you suggest might happen be a viable way to make enough money to pay for that insurance, and still have plenty left over to supplement driver income over and above what they're currently getting dribbled to them by both uber and lyft.
 

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The algorithm is set to find patterns. If it finds one, the pax or driver gets flagged and the whole thing gets bumped upstairs to human eyes. If the human agrees, or can't find a reason to disagree, action will be taken.

As much as we say Uber is stupid, it's not THAT stupid. Don't make the mistake of thinking they are.
Agree. It's easy to post ideas on an Internet discussion board, but as Abraham Lincoln famously said:

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It's one thing to come up with a bright idea about how to beat the system, but something else again to actually BEAT that system.

It also matters greatly HOW OFTEN you are trying to beat the system.

I might go out during one of our busy event periods and work a surge area for an hour, hoping for short rides. I get two or three shorties, and then I cancel on a long ride that is paying a crap fixed surge and taking me away from where I want to be. I do maybe one more short ride and I'm done for the evening. Works for me!

But that's a VERY different scenario from a full-time driver who HAS to make his car payment, and HAS to make a certain amount to support his family -- and is using that strategy 3-4 nights a week and canceling 8-10 long fixed surge rides a week.

I probably wouldn't get noticed, but that Late Night Hero would get spotted in a heartbeat.

Discussing stuff and actually making it work in the real world are two different things.
 

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Already been doing that in OKC, no problem so far since pax down here are pretty chill. I don’t do the re-request thing though, after driving out of the zone I just log off, they just enter the sufficient tip amount that would be a bit less than what they should’ve paid Uber (so far everyone just enters the tips while I’m driving them to their correct destination); s couple times I just ask them to buy some gas
 

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I already see street hails for uberX going on in Dallas. Like it's rampant & getting unicorn rides from events is super hard now. There's no taxi authority that monitors anything & the cops literally give no ****s.

If this goes live here, no pax will ever use uber during surge.
 

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I already see street hails for uberX going on in Dallas. Like it's rampant & getting unicorn rides from events is super hard now. There's no taxi authority that monitors anything & the cops literally give no &%[email protected]!*s.
My state does street hailing disguised as sting operations that result in towed vehicles and heavy fines. They're harsh here!
 

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My state does street hailing disguised as sting operations that result in towed vehicles and heavy fines. They're harsh here!
Could you give us a clue what state that is?
And, why you won't give up any of that info in your profile?
And, is it the STATE that is doing it? or the city?
Is the state police the stingers?
And, it's the entire state?

(Wondering mainly, where there is SO much excess police that they have the time and budget to chase people who are just trying to make a living. Where I am, in N. Cali, the cops don't have the resources to chase down car thieves, burglers, credit card fraudsters, rapists.)
 

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if it's a longer trip, offer to drive pax outside the surge zone and reorder. You get your flat amount, pax saves money, and uber doesn't their king's ransom. It sounds like kind of a pain, but I'm always to work a little harder to see uber take a hit.
That is exactly what I plan on doing when the scam comes here. But only if I accidentally get stuck near a major event. I won't be working events anymore
 

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I'd think if Uber would have noticed a pattern with my trips, I'd have gotten a warning by now considering I have been doing it since upfront pricing was introduced in May 2017. I log all my trip data in a spreadsheet.
On average the service fees are about 20% of my payouts not including tolls and tips. It should be 33% or greater.
For my Pool rides the service fees are about -2%. Yes, that means Uber has been LOSING money on average for my Pool rides.
For my long trips over 30 miles, the service fees are about 10%.
This is average data from a year so it isn't short term variance. I liken myself to being a card counter at the casinos.
 
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