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Wait til you see the new unemployment guidlines :)

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1.Did the city you currently live in restrict you from driveing rideshare? Now if you caught Corona its a sure shot just submit the doctors note...

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Hell yeah the city restricted me.

The closure of the tourist corridor (a state order) has caused continued operations unsustainable for me. A very easy feat for an uber driver as everyone knows we net jack shit on a regular day.

Acceptible reasoning issued in the new expanded guidelines this week.
Are operations sustainable for drivers here in Las Vegas? No.

Who is talking food delivery? It's my biz, I chose which service I offer and what jobs I take. We are not Arizona. We are forced to get a state biz licence here. That makes me viable for self employed rules and regs.

Bottom line is my work is not sustainable during the emergency state ordered shutdown here in Las Vegas. Open and closed case, sir.
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I need to go over operating costs for a business and how they can become unsustainable during a pandemic?

It's easy to see and justify that I was forced to SHUT DOWN my business. The wording is right there in the updated guidelines. Read it for yourself.

It's shut down. It's not open every day to see how much business I get. It was forced to shut down for being unsustainable due to the emergency state order.
My income easily proves that.


*Such a dooop!* Def will use this more. Thanks.
Being able to work, and having that work be sustainable are different.

Is the work sustainable? It isn't. My last week was far under the minimum wage.

Governor stopped the work search order. I'm not required to look for work outside my normal operation. I am covered until these state orders are lifted.

I am covered under the direct example used to represent the law, by the people who wrote that law.
Read the actual expanded guidence instead of preaching from a news article, my dude.
Even with it being general and not ready, it outlined that becoming unsustainable due to a state or local order qualifies.

Maybe in Milwaukee it's biz as usual, but here in vegas that's easy to show by a state mandated closure of the tourism sector.

How come you keep skipping over the sustainability of rideshare drivers here in Las Vegas to talk about strippers?
Stripping is all cash and no 1099.

Unless a stripper filed taxes right and paid tax on those tips, their prof of income is nil. Self cash deposits? Accepted quickly? Come on.

This is a pandemic policy. Not basic unemployment. To say we as rideshare drivers have not been affected here is absurd.
Here is the update

k) The individual meets any additional criteria established by the Secretary for
unemployment assistance under this section.
 The Secretary has determined that, in addition to individuals who qualify for
benefits under the other criteria described above, an individual who works as an
independent contractor with reportable income may also qualify for PUA benefits
if he or she is unemployed, partially employed, or unable or unavailable to work
because the COVID-19 public health emergency has severely limited his or her
ability to continue performing his or her customary work activities, and has
thereby forced the individual to suspend such activities. For example, a driver for
a ridesharing service who receives an IRS Form 1099 from the ride sharing
service may not be eligible for PUA benefits under the other criteria outlined
above, because such an individual does not have a "place of employment," and
thus cannot claim that he or she is unable to work because his or her place of
employment has closed. However, under the additional eligibility criterion
established by the Secretary here, the driver may still qualify for PUA benefits if
he or she has been forced to suspend operations as a direct result of the COVID-
19 public health emergency.

Once again,

I have been forced to suspend my operations due to emergency state covid-19 oders that make continued operations unstainable for me.

We are covered under the law here in Las Vegas.
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Driving rideshare is not uber eats or doordash. I've never done food delivery as a part of my company nor is my bisiness even signed up or approved for any of that.

I have my licences for rideshare, my 1099's, I have my prof of income lost to my business which was a direct result of a covid 19 order to close down tourism making me unsustainable.

Instead of fighting on why we aren't covered, we should be working together on how to make sure most of us are covered.

If you keep reading past your squiggle it clearly outlines exactly how rideshare drivers are covered
That whole section K outlines exaclly how we are covered as rideshare drivers. Their are more sections that pertain to a place of bisiness which we don't have.
No, we get unemplemt until we are sustainable again. The order shut me down. I am down until its sustainable and will get at least partial unemployment until I make more than the minimum for coverage.

Here are all of the expanded sections

a) The individual has been diagnosed with COVID-19 or is experiencing symptoms of
COVID-19 and is seeking a medical diagnosis. Examples may include:
 An individual who has to quit his or her job as a direct result of COVID-19
because the individual has tested positive for the coronavirus or has been
diagnosed with COVID-19 by a qualified medical professional, and continuing
work activities, such as through telework, is not possible by virtue of such
diagnosis or condition;
 An individual who has to quit his or her job due to coming in direct contact
with someone who has tested positive for the coronavirus or has been
diagnosed by a medical professional as having COVID-19, and, on the advice
of a qualified medical health professional is required to resign from his or her
position in order to quarantine.
b) A member of the individual's household has been diagnosed with COVID-19. For
example:
 A member of the individual's household has been diagnosed as having
COVID-19 by a qualified medical professional or a member of the individual's
household has tested positive for COVID-19 and the individual is unable to
work as a result.
c) The individual is providing care for a family member or a member of the
individual's household who has been diagnosed with COVID-19. For example:
 An individual is "providing care" for a family member or a member of the
individual's household if the provision of care requires such ongoing and
constant attention that the individual's ability to perform other work functions
is severely limited. An individual who is assisting a family member who is
able to adequately care for him or herself is not "providing care" under this
category.
d) A child or other person in the household for which the individual has primary
caregiving responsibility is unable to attend school or another facility that is closed
as a direct result of the COVID-19 public health emergency and such school or
facility care is required for the individual to work. For example:
 An individual has "primary caregiving responsibility" for a child or other
person in the household if he or she is required to remain at home to care for
the child or other person.
 This includes an individual whose job allows for telework, but for whom the
provision of care to the child or other person with a closed school or other

facility requires such ongoing and constant attention that it is not possible for
the individual to perform work at home.
e) The individual is unable to reach the place of employment because of a quarantine
imposed as a direct result of the COVID-19 public health emergency. For example:
 An individual who is unable to reach his or her place of employment because
doing so would require the violation of a state or municipal order restricting
travel that was instituted to combat the spread of COVID-19.
f)The individual is unable to reach the place of employment because the individual has
been advised by a health care provider to self-quarantine due to concerns related to
COVID-19. Examples include:
 An individual who has been advised by a qualified medical professional that
he or she may be infected with the coronavirus and that he or she therefore
should self-quarantine. For example, an individual had direct contact with
another person who has tested positive for the coronavirus or been diagnosed
with COVID-19 by a qualified medical professional, and is advised by a health
care provider to self-quarantine to prevent further possible spread of the virus.
Such circumstances would render the individual unable to reach his or her
place of employment.
 An individual whose immune system is compromised by virtue of a serious
health condition and is therefore advised by a health care provider to self-
quarantine in order to avoid the greater-than-average health risks that the
individual might face if he or she were to become infected by the coronavirus.
g) The individual was scheduled to commence employment and does not have a job or
is unable to reach the job as a direct result of the COVID-19 public health
emergency. For example:
 An individual is unable to reach his or her job because doing so would require
the violation of a state or municipal order restricting travel that was instituted
to combat the spread of the coronavirus or the employer has closed the place of
employment.
 An individual does not have a job because the employer with whom the
individual was scheduled to commence employment has rescinded the job
offer as a direct result of the COVID-19 public health emergency.
h) The individual has become the breadwinner or major support for a household
because the head of the household has died as a direct result of COVID-19. For
example:
 An individual whose head of household previously contributed the majority of
financial support to the household died as a direct result of COVID-19, and the
individual is now the person in the household expected to provide such
financial support.

i)The individual has to quit his or her job as a direct result of COVID-19. For example:
 An individual was diagnosed with COVID-19 by a qualified medical
professional, and although the individual no longer has COVID-19, the illness
caused health complications that render the individual objectively unable to
perform his or her essential job functions, with or without a reasonable
accommodation.
j)The individual's place of employment is closed as a direct result of the COVID-19
public health emergency. For example:
 If a business is shut down due to an emergency declaration or due to necessary
social distancing protocols, the unemployment of individuals who worked in the
business would be considered a direct result of COVID-19.

And K is posted above which covers us as independent contractors or rideshare drivers.
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Yes, there will be more guidence. More bullshit to read thru. But we need to manage this all together and find the best way forward to get covered while our business is dried up.
What does any of this have to do with California? This is a federal pandemic Unemployment paid for by the feds for up to 39 weeks. The extra 600 only goes to July 31st.

It also pays the states for any extra labor and expansion costs incurred for setting it all up and maintaining it.

Once you qualify, you are qualified until you find work or your work picks up.

Will we get 39 weeks. Not a chance. Once the job search requirement is up, every taxi and other transportation company in town will fill up and stay full as rideshare drivers are forced to jump ship until uber becomes worth it again.
It's the way the law is written. I didn't write it. Like all laws, it's up for interpretation. There is no "your benefits end when the strip opens" section.

With all the negative in this sub, I leaned all the way positive in my interpretation. Sorry if I came off as entitled. I definitely didn't want my business dried up and life paused by a state order.

Good luck in getting back to work, all of ya!
I'll be happily back to work once the strip opens up.

Are people trying to not go back to work? Is that what you are implying?

Back to normal is more than 2x the unemployment. I'll work the second it's there.

If the biz just isn't there in the end once things open up, the monthly unemployment state offers if any isn't enough to carry most people anyway.

Living on under 2k a month here in vegas? Bottom of the barrel. Might as well end it anyway your not having any fun.

Edited this as it said 6x that was a mistake.
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