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With uber/lyft you need to just cancel..

You run the risk of..
A. having the customer report you for "extorting them"
B. having the customer tell support they never got the ride and scamming you of the entire trip
c. having them tell support that they paid you cash, and getting a refund off the cash amount.

A. $100 through uber, nothing more, you get deactivated (total $100 and you lose your job)
B. $100- MINUS $100 after you drop them off ($0 total)
C. $100 + $50 -$200 after they scam support (total $-50) (YES scamming you for more than they paid you)


Your best bet is to just say no.
 

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Uber rules allow you to negotiate return trip fees. I have posted this elsewhere, but I'll do it again:

Me: '' Good morning. *swiping ap* Oh, I see we're going to San Francisco. Great. You need to know that there is a 'return trip surcharge' for out of town trips. I charge fifty cents per mile. San Francisco is about 200 miles away so that would be a $100 cash fee, up front before we leave town. Do we need to go to an ATM?''
I let this sink in for awhile. I usually get a blank stare as they consider ...
I go on to say: ''You don't have to pay this. If you wish, I will cancel the ride with no charge to you and you can try another driver. Up to you.''

At this point I get a couple of questions.
Pax: Is this ok with Uber?
Answer: Yes. We are allowed to negotiate return trip fees.
Pax: I thought it was all-inclusive.
Me: No, its not. The amount Uber quoted you was for the trip TO the destination. I have additional costs. Wear and tear on the car and me, gas, my three hours behind the wheel to get home ... these are all costs that Uber doesn't charge for in the initial trip fees that they charge.
Pax: Can I just tip you on the ap?
Me: No. Uber won't allow a 'tip' of that size.
Pax; Can't I just pay you when we get there.
Me: No. Believe it or not, some people lie. They will promise a payment, then just walk away at the end of the ride - then there I am, stuck 200 miles from home. We need to take care of it before we leave town.

If they get pissed, or attitude starts showing up ... I canx RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, and wish them the best of luck. Remember, you're going to spend three hours with the ass-hat in a small cabin.

A one star rating? I really don't give a husky **** about that. Can't spend those stars.
Four out of five will pay the fee. One of those four will negotiate the fifty cents a mile rate, and I will give a little on that, but not much.

This is what I do, and have successfully done many times.
 

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Uber rules allow you to negotiate return trip fees. I have posted this elsewhere, but I'll do it again:

Me: '' Good morning. swiping ap Oh, I see we're going to San Francisco. Great. You need to know that there is a 'return trip surcharge' for out of town trips. I charge fifty cents per mile. San Francisco is about 200 miles away so that would be a $100 cash fee, up front before we leave town. Do we need to go to an ATM?''
I let this sink in for awhile. I usually get a blank stare as they consider ...
I go on to say: ''You don't have to pay this. If you wish, I will cancel the ride with no charge to you and you can try another driver. Up to you.''

At this point I get a couple of questions.
Pax: Is this ok with Uber?
Answer: Yes. We are allowed to negotiate return trip fees.
Pax: I thought it was all-inclusive.
Me: No, its not. The amount Uber quoted you was for the trip TO the destination. I have additional costs. Wear and tear on the car and me, gas, my three hours behind the wheel to get home ... these are all costs that Uber doesn't charge for in the initial trip fees that they charge.
Pax: Can I just tip you on the ap?
Me: No. Uber won't allow a 'tip' of that size.
Pax; Can't I just pay you when we get there.
Me: No. Believe it or not, some people lie. They will promise a payment, then just walk away at the end of the ride - then there I am, stuck 200 miles from home. We need to take care of it before we leave town.

If they get pissed, or attitude starts showing up ... I canx RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, and wish them the best of luck. Remember, you're going to spend three hours with the ass-hat in a small cabin.

A one star rating? I really don't give a husky **** about that. Can't spend those stars.
Four out of five will pay the fee. One of those four will negotiate the fifty cents a mile rate, and I will give a little on that, but not much.

This is what I do, and have successfully done many times.
Nice! I really like your cool strategy. I am going to use that in the future. I have had a couple long distance 4 hour trips that I previously declined for fear of getting cheated and didn't want to believe the horrible lie, "I will tip you in the app."
 

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Uber rules allow you to negotiate return trip fees. I have posted this elsewhere, but I'll do it again:

Me: '' Good morning. swiping ap Oh, I see we're going to San Francisco. Great. You need to know that there is a 'return trip surcharge' for out of town trips.
''You don't have to pay this. If you wish, I will cancel the ride with no charge to you and you can try another driver. Up to you.''

At this point I get a couple of questions.
Pax: Is this ok with Uber?
Answer: Yes. We are allowed to negotiate return trip fees.

Where in the Uber Agreement does it say you can negotiate return fees? Is it explicitly authorized, or simply "not disallowed"?
I generally just cancel but might reconsider if it's legit.
 

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Where in the Uber Agreement does it say you can negotiate return fees? Is it explicitly authorized, or simply "not disallowed"?
I generally just cancel but might reconsider if it's legit.
Holy crap, I just logged into the partner site and I have so many documents and agreements now that I can't even find the one for ride fares much less the stipulation on return fees. What a hot mess!
 

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Uber rules allow you to negotiate return trip fees. I have posted this elsewhere, but I'll do it again:

Me: '' Good morning. swiping ap Oh, I see we're going to San Francisco. Great. You need to know that there is a 'return trip surcharge' for out of town trips. I charge fifty cents per mile. San Francisco is about 200 miles away so that would be a $100 cash fee, up front before we leave town. Do we need to go to an ATM?''
I let this sink in for awhile. I usually get a blank stare as they consider ...
I go on to say: ''You don't have to pay this. If you wish, I will cancel the ride with no charge to you and you can try another driver. Up to you.''

At this point I get a couple of questions.
Pax: Is this ok with Uber?
Answer: Yes. We are allowed to negotiate return trip fees.
Pax: I thought it was all-inclusive.
Me: No, its not. The amount Uber quoted you was for the trip TO the destination. I have additional costs. Wear and tear on the car and me, gas, my three hours behind the wheel to get home ... these are all costs that Uber doesn't charge for in the initial trip fees that they charge.
Pax: Can I just tip you on the ap?
Me: No. Uber won't allow a 'tip' of that size.
Pax; Can't I just pay you when we get there.
Me: No. Believe it or not, some people lie. They will promise a payment, then just walk away at the end of the ride - then there I am, stuck 200 miles from home. We need to take care of it before we leave town.

If they get pissed, or attitude starts showing up ... I canx RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, and wish them the best of luck. Remember, you're going to spend three hours with the ass-hat in a small cabin.

A one star rating? I really don't give a husky **** about that. Can't spend those stars.
Four out of five will pay the fee. One of those four will negotiate the fifty cents a mile rate, and I will give a little on that, but not much.

This is what I do, and have successfully done many times.
This is an old post but the question about long rides and negotiating return fees is still relevant,

Uber does not allow this. At one point there was something in the app that some drivers misinterpreted to allow cash payments for the ride home . But it was removed

I simply ask myself the question. Do I think I can make more staying close to home?, if so I cancel, if not I accept

Over the last 3.5 years doing this, my dead miles and my paid miles are about equal. So even if I have to drive home empty, one long ride like this won’t affect my averages and some days a really appreciate the “alone time”
 

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simply ask myself the question. Do I think I can make more staying close to home
I used to simply ask myself the question: Do I want to work for a company that will not allow me to be profitable?
So, I collected my return trip fee, or I cancelled.
And if Uber didn't like that they could fire me.

I didn't GAF either way.

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I used to simply ask myself the question: Do I want to work for a company that will not allow me to be profitable?
So, I collected my return trip fee, or I cancelled.
And if Uber didn't like that they could fire me.

I didn't GAF either way.
How did it work out overall for you in the ensuing years since your post?
And, you're talking in past tense, you're not driving anymore?
 

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How did it work out overall for you in the ensuing years since your post?
And, you're talking in past tense, you're not driving anymore?
No, I haven't driven for about three years.

My first goal was to meet as many people as possible who could help me.
My second goal was to stay safe.
My third goal was to be profitable, or at least break even.

I found such a person, followed up, interviewed ... and I don't drive any more.
I used Uber for my benefit and pleasure ... not the other way around.


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No, I haven't driven for about three years.

My first goal was to meet as many people as possible who could help me.
My second goal was to stay safe.
My third goal was to be profitable, or at least break even.
Sounds like an interesting backstory.
My only goal is to be profitable. It's working, currently. Will see how long it lasts, & re-evaluate as necessary.

EDIT: Safety is also a goal. So far it hasn't been an issue. Annoyed and aggravated from time to time, but never yet felt threatened or unsafe.
That day may come, and I'm considering additional self defense options; my good looks and charming personality will only get me so far.
 

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I used to simply ask myself the question: Do I want to work for a company that will not allow me to be profitable?
So, I collected my return trip fee, or I cancelled.
And if Uber didn't like that they could fire me.

I didn't GAF either way.

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I do a few things that I'm sure Uber would not approve of. I also know that at any moment, my "career" with Uber could be over. I've gotten one driving under the influence so give me a free ride complaint so I'm guessing a second one might be it. I look for this money to be a nice supplement for me to help me have a better retirement so I'll be OK when the music ends. Meanwhile, I'd rather gross $40 an hour than play by their rules and probably do 25 to 28. I'm an IC and I will act like one. I refuse to blackmail myself into worrying what will happen if ... and not doing what's in my best interest. 7 years, suspended once for maximizing my income on promotions (giving myself rides when it wasn't a violation of the terms but they didn't like that) and deactivated for a few days while they pretended to investigate the driving while impaired complaint. When my time comes, it comes but I've made some decent coin in the meantime.
 

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I used to simply ask myself the question: Do I want to work for a company that will not allow me to be profitable?
So, I collected my return trip fee, or I cancelled.
And if Uber didn't like that they could fire me.

I didn't GAF either way.

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If you dont care why not cancel and negotiate a cash price for the entire trip, Leave uber out of it
 

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The pax help section used to have a paragraph that stated that drivers may charge them a return fee for long trips. This was sort of "permission" by Uber for drivers to charge a return fee.

Around two years ago Uber not only removed that paragraph, they added a clause to the driver contract that expressly forbids drivers from charging any additional fees from pax.

By the way, when I did rideshare, I accepted three long trips but cancelled all three because the pax refused to pay me a cash-upfront return fee.
 
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