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A lot of drivers are unaware of the fact that Uber and state laws do not allow us to give rides to kids under the age of 18 when unaccompanied with an adult. I kind of stumbled across it in the passenger legal section looking for other information. I've since inquired about a drivers responsibilities a few times through the help section and have been told that we cannot pick up unaccompanied minors under 18 years of age. I was once told that we would lose our driving privileges if we do pick up unaccompanied minors.

I do have a problem with this for a few reason. The first reason is because they, Uber, do not seem to make this very important fact well known to drivers and /or passengers. Both Passenger and drivers are at risk when this happens and Uber seems to care little about informing either party. There is no insurance for either the driver nor passenger when this occurs.
Another point is that there isn't a category for this situation when cancelling the call, you don't get paid AND, if you get a few of these in a short period time, you cancellation rate goes up. There are other ways to close out the cancellation to get paid but there isn't one for unaccompanied underaged minors. I would like to get paid for the trip because I figure that the passenger is at fault, not me. They made me travel out to pick up them up when they aren't allowed in the system. They should pay for my time and travel and, hopefully, after a few times paying and not getting a ride, they will stop trying to use Uber which would put everyone at risk.
And that leads me to the other BIG problem. That is by letting them in your car, you put yourself into a libel situation. If there is an accident with a unaccompanied minor in your car, as far as I understand, you are not covered by any insurance. You also could be libel for other legal issues if you knowing did so. To me, this is not worth any amount of a fare much less if it's only about $5-$10.

Here is a little story told to me from a passenger that involved an unaccompanied unaged minor.
I had a passenger whose wife was in an accident with an Uber driver who was transporting a 16 yo kid. The car was totaled and his wife ended up in the hospital with a broken leg. Uber denied insurance coverage because the driver was not complicit with Uber regulations and state laws. The driver's own insurance certainly didn't cover the accident because the policy doesn't cover ridesharing. My passenger told me that he had to hire an attorney and sue Uber. He evidently won and got reimbursed but not without a lot of time and aggravation. A funny aside to this was that the driver tried to sue the passenger because he lost his driving privileges with Uber and felt it was the passenger fault because he sued Uber.

I no longer pick up minors EVER. I had in the past when I didn't know any better but I figured it isn't worth a possible $5-$10 fare that could ruin my life.

And parents don't seem to care. I had the experience where the parents were home and I refused to take their underage kids. They would say things like "I'm glad you told us, we didn't know." Then 2 minutes down the road I get a request from the same parents.
When I get a request from a high school, I call or text to inform them that they must have proof of age or I'm not taking them. It saves me the time of travel.
Elementary schools were out until once it were parents attending a parent-teacher conference. So I do call to see if it's a parent or teacher.

So I just want to inform those that don't know of the risk they assume when they allow an unaccompanied minor into their car. We should know our local laws and Uber regulations and I feel Uber should put more emphasize to make drivers AND passengers aware. They seem to not care. No Surprise?
Hope this helps.
 

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It kind of is the passengers fault. It's the rider's terms of services that requires account holders to be 18 or over, and not to let a minor use their account without being accompanied by the adult.
As a driver, we're not asked to or required to request proof of age.
As far as specific state laws, I've never seen one. Which law are you referring to?
All that being said, Uber is as sleazy as ever with this, and their ugly cousin Lyft follows their master as usual.
I'm terms of James River not paying, it sounds like more of the story was left out by your passenger.
 

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It kind of is the passengers fault. It's the rider's terms of services that requires account holders to be 18 or over, and not to let a minor use their account without being accompanied by the adult.
As a driver, we're not asked to or required to request proof of age.
As far as specific state laws, I've never seen one. Which law are you referring to?
All that being said, Uber is as sleazy as ever with this, and their ugly cousin Lyft follows their master as usual.
I'm terms of James River not paying, it sounds like more of the story was left out by your passenger.
Ask your help desk if you can transport unaccompanied minors in NJ.

Can't vouch for passengers story but cant see a reason for him to make it up.
Do you?
 

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Drive away and make them cancel. They will very quickly if they want to order another Uber. You get paid and you don't incur another cancelation.

As far as the drivers on here that admit to picking up underage kids even after reading this and knowing the best thing that can happen to you is just getting deactivated I hope you never have to deal with this after being in an accident whether it's your fault or not
 

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Thats what i try but I'm always surprised that they don't canell right away. Perhaps they need to contact parent or they just don't care, etc. But i need to get back on the road and after driving, generally 8 minutes, I dont like wait any longer.

Drive away and make them cancel. They will very quickly if they want to order another Uber. You get paid and you don't incur another cancelation.

As far as the drivers on here that admit to picking up underage kids even after reading this and knowing the best thing that can happen to you is just getting deactivated I hope you never have to deal with this after being in an accident whether it's your fault or not
Yeah, don't be foolish for a lousy few dollars
 

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Ask your help desk if you can transport unaccompanied minors in NJ.

Can't vouch for passengers story but cant see a reason for him to make it up.
Do you?
Help desk?
Somethings not right here. We don't have a help desk. Our in app support says exactly what I said... to do what your comfortable with, and no, you don't have to ask for I'D.
We also don't contact James River. They contact us after an accident.
You mentioned specifically state laws. What state laws?
Where also are thes "driver's responsibilities" that specify who we can and can not pick up? Where did you hear that drivers would "lose privledges?" What other "legal issues" can we be "libel" of?
I mean... It kind of sounds like you were denied a cancellation fee for refusing some bratty kids and you are rationalizing your frustration here.

Drive away and make them cancel. They will very quickly if they want to order another Uber. You get paid and you don't incur another cancelation.

As far as the drivers on here that admit to picking up underage kids even after reading this and knowing the best thing that can happen to you is just getting deactivated I hope you never have to deal with this after being in an accident whether it's your fault or not
It's true that it's against the rider's terms of service. Everything else this person posted is blatantly not true. It's not even a question of opinion, he bloated his post full of lies, which is a disservice to others.
Now, my opinion is that he never had a passenger with such a detailed story that he happened to remember.
Sorry, but #FAKE NEWS!
 

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I just scanned the fUber contract using several different keywords trying to find any mention of not transporting kids and there no single mention of this that I could find. Of course common sense applies here. One day a parent came with a 10 year old put her in the back seat of the car and close the door, I assumed she wanted to ride in the front but then asked me to roll down the window and started giving me drop-off instructions LOL!.. no way I said.. if you are not coming I cannot take her.. I didn't sign up for fUber-Sitter hehe... she did't want to cancel, I took off, after 5 mins I just cancel no show, she disputed, they took away the fee, I asked why once, twice, nothing, after that I moved on and just called it cost of doing business.
 

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I think the people that knowingly take minors and think it's OK when TOS clearly state no one under 18. If an incident occurs do you think foober is going to be your valued partner in a litigation or will they recite the TOS that you violated. God forbid your in a deposition or courtroom with an attorney and the best defense you can come up with. But I thought...
 

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I think the people that knowingly take minors and think it's OK when TOS clearly state no one under 18. If an incident occurs do you think foober is going to be your valued partner in a litigation or will they recite the TOS that you violated. God forbid your in a deposition or courtroom with an attorney and the best defense you can come up with. But I thought...
Lol, it's not our TOS! Nowhere does it even remotely come close to saying that. Enough of this hypothetical garbage, this is the most misguided barrage of follow the leader I've seen here in a long time.
You really question a HUGE portion of your riders who MAY look 17 their age and refuse service If they can't provide ID? Sorry, I do not believe that.
For everyone else, do yourself a favor. ACTUALLY READ OUR FINE PRINT AND OUR RESPONSIBILITIES. ACTUALLY READ THE JAMES RIVER "CONTRACT." ACTUALLY READ YOUR CONTRACT WITH UBER!
I challenge ANYONE to find language in OUR TOS that claims that this is our responsibility. REAL QUOTATIONS, not hypothetical garbage built on the OP's imagination.
We get screwed over by fUber and Shyt so hard, it's important to share FACTS that can help each other. Sorry, but this is not one of them.

I just scanned the fUber contract using several different keywords trying to find any mention of not transporting kids and there no single mention of this that I could find. Of course common sense applies here. One day a parent came with a 10 year old put her in the back seat of the car and close the door, I assumed she wanted to ride in the front but then asked me to roll down the window and started giving me drop-off instructions LOL!.. no way I said.. if you are not coming I cannot take her.. I didn't sign up for fUber-Sitter hehe... she did't want to cancel, I took off, after 5 mins I just cancel no show, she disputed, they took away the fee, I asked why once, twice, nothing, after that I moved on and just called it cost of doing business.
Exactly. There is nothing that binds us to enforcing a rider's own TOS. Now, no we don't take 10 or 12 year olds alone because it's what we just don't do.
Would I? He'll no. -But legally only because I'm not comfortable with it. Let's not give ourselves more laws and terms that don't exist.
What's next? UC's towing us again at Jersey Gardens?

Lastly, and them I'm done here, if any of you don't want to take someone you think may be 17 years old, the good news is that you don't have to. If you're not comfortable, you don't have to take the ride. However, it's not our legal responsibility to enforce a rider's responsibility.
Now, how about no car seat for a child too young to... That's different, because that's actually state law.
 

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Asked a young looking Rumson kid Sat night. How old ?16 -sorry -cancelled ride and now I'm emailing to get the 5$ because of course wasn't paid. I ask how old all the time after reading this post I will continue my practice.
Last summer I picked up 4 entitled little asshats in Rumson, when asked thye were all conveniently 18 (even though one kid could not have been 13). They were going to JRs in RB, as they were getting out of the car the little barstids cancelled the ride. I filed immediately with Goober to get my money, and after a few back and forths I asked for an email address to send the video of the ride to. Immediate payment followed. Rumson is the land of the entitled!
 

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Google it. Minors not allowed
That is not OUR Terms of Service. "We SHOULDN'T cherry pick pings for surge. We SHOULD accept every request. Accepting a surge rider over a regular fare us bad buisness."
These are not legal terms of service.
Now, is accepting all minors and being a kiddie kab the best thing to do? No, we know this. Is it our RESPONSIBILITY to enforce the rider's TOS? 100% No.
If so we would not be IC's, we would be employees.
If you feel so strongly about not taking riders, do not take them.
Scaring others who may be reading the forum with false information helps no one.
Minors unaccompanied using their own or an adults account is against the rider's TOS.
Legally, it has NOTHING to do with us.
 
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