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Just to put things into perspective for a potential Lawyer (Mark Geragos) who is already involved with various driver lawsuits at the moment.. I think it might be a good idea for everyone on UP to go back and check their Fare Details history and post the best comparisons or examples of how drivers are being ripped off at the Passengers expense! As independent contractors, ride share drivers are supposed to be parters with Uber who all initially agreed to a 25% commission of total fare after booking , tolls and/or airport fee's?

It's obvious now that Uber is reaching for the bottom of the barrel and figured out more deceptive ways to scam money out of everyone! Essentially charging passengers premium rates through upfront pricing (which PaX agrees to, before accepting a ride), this way Uber makes a higher commission which they do not have to share with it's partners!

Uber has consistently dodged having to follow any regulations because it claims it's a technology company, but if they are making passengers agree to terms, and drivers to agree to other terms then it sounds to me like they are a transportation company. Either way I think this should be left to a good lawyer that wants to make an example out of this type of criminal corporate behavior.

Here are a few examples of an Uber commission comparison that are pretty self explanatory .. I suggest you browse your history and post some of your own comparisons to todays commission rates.

Here's the same ride with pretty much the exact same time and milage..

The difference is Uber took 25% in July versus 45% in September. Getting lawyers involved and letting PaX know that they are being ripped off and getting there asses handed to them (at the drivers expense) is going to be part of the process of getting these class action lawsuits in motion..

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On another recent 2.5x surge trip from LAX to San Morino, Passenger was charged $115, for a ride that the driver only received $63, which is 57% commission versus 75%.. Uber kept the surplus of $45.22 which mean's they're taking 42% commission of the total PaX was charged.

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Like I said, go back and check the Fare Details and post away on your most outrageous rides where Uber is ripping both the drivers and the passengers off!
 

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Will post anything I find however, if uber is deceiving us (and I'm not saying they are not)

Why would they show us how much they are taking? Shouldn't they hide their scam??
 

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Will post anything I find however, if uber is deceiving us (and I'm not saying they are not)

Why would they show us how much they are taking? Shouldn't they hide their scam??
They are changing the goal posts halfway through the game, by forcing you to agree to new terms of services that suit their own agenda's.. Most drivers that agree, don't even know what they're agreeing to, but without this they can not drive.

The point of this thread is, check your Trip History and Fare details, and look for similar rides, and what the difference in service fee's are. Everything Uber does is deceiving, and they'll continue to get away with it until someone finally tells them they have to stop!
 

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I agree with Dj Khaled ... if this is s "scam" (and I'm not saying it is not) but then why is uber putting all this info out there for drivers to see?
They are being 'transparent' and also rubbing in our faces how we're getting fornicated...
 
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I agree with Dj Khaled ... if this is a "scam" (and I'm not saying it is not) but then why is uber putting all this info out there for drivers to see?
Probably because they've been told they need to be transparent.. leave it to the ambulance chasers.. if they think they have a case and can get the support from PaX that could make a difference, what does it matter..

Doesn't mean what they're doing is right, si let them get regulated as a transportation company which is what they are!
 

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Ugh - Here we go again. Another thread on the same bullshit topic. THERE IS NO LONGER A 20 OR 25% COMMISSION PAID TO UBER. There is no longer a commission (Period).

If you accepted the May 22, 2017, addendum, you agreed to drive for Uber for $0.72/$0.675 per mile and $0.12/$0.1125 per minute. Uber can charge a rider a 5.0x surge rate and still pay you base. Uber can charge a rider for a 15-mile route and pay you for the 12-mile route you drove. Get used to it.

To make things easier, below is a copy of the addendum. Please show me anywhere in the addendum the word "Commission". You ants need to stop being in denial, choose better routes (i.e. longer), stop chasing quests, and only accept rides that have either a 2.0x Boost or Surge.

Raiser LLC
Addendum
Last update May 22, 2017
You entered into a Technology Services Agreement with Rasier, LLC or one of its affiliates ("Company",
"we" or "us") for the use of the Uber Services in connection with your Transportation Services (as
amended, the "Agreement"). This is an addendum to that Agreement that updates fare and payment terms
and replaces Section 4 (Financial Terms) of the Agreement in its entirety. By clicking "Yes, I agree", you
agree to be bound by the additional terms below.
Capitalized terms used herein but not defined shall have the meanings ascribed to them in the Agreement,
and, for the purposes of this addendum, "Ride" shall have the same meaning as "Transportation Services"
and "Rider" shall have the same meaning as "User". Except where modified above, the remainder of the
Agreement shall remain unchanged. This addendum replaces and supersedes any "Service Fee
Addendum" or "Service Fee Schedule" that you have previously agreed to.
Section 4 of the Agreement is replaced in its entirety with the following:
4. Financial Terms
4.1 Fares. You are entitled to a Fare for each Ride that you provide, where "Fare" is a base fare amount
plus actual distance and/or time amounts (or as required by applicable law), provided that distance and/or
time amounts may be predetermined in certain situations, such as for flat rate and minimum fare trips, or
estimated where GPS information for that trip is unavailable. Fares vary by region (detailed at
partners.uber.com), may vary depending on local supply and demand, and may also be adjusted in our
discretion based on local market factors. We will provide you with notice of any change to any base fare
or applicable distance and/or time amounts, as well as flat rate and minimum trip fares, and by continuing
to use the Uber Services, you are deemed to accept these changes. The Fare does not include gratuity.
Additionally, even though we often separately advertise and market the Uber Services and other products
and services generally (including discounts or promotions to Riders that reduce what they ultimately pay
for a Ride), this does not entitle you to any additional payment.
Unless we indicate to you otherwise, for each Ride, the Rider will pay an amount that includes the Fare,
applicable Tolls, applicable fees retained by us, and applicable taxes and surcharges, as well as the
Service Fee described in Paragraph 4.4 below (collectively, the "Rider Payment"). You appoint us as your
disclosed limited payment collection agent solely to accept the Rider Payment from Riders via the Uber
Services' payment processing functionality, and the Rider Payment to us (acting as your agent) is treated
the same as if that Rider paid you directly for that Ride. The Rider Payment is the only payment that will
be made to you by a Rider for a particular Ride. By accepting a Ride, you indicate your agreement to
charge the Rider Payment at the amount recommended by us as your agent. The Fare portion of the Rider
Payment shall operate as a default, but following completion of a Ride you are entitled to request to
charge a lower Fare, and we will consider these requests in good faith. Your Fares and applicable Tolls
will be remitted to you on at least a weekly basis. If you have agreed to any other amounts being deducted
from your Fares with any party (such as vehicle financing or lease payments, or mobile device charges),
those amounts will be deducted before remittance to you, and we may determine the order of these other
deductions if allowed by law.
If reasonable, we may adjust a particular Rider Payment (including the Fare portion) for reasons such as
inefficient routes, failure to properly end a Ride or technical error on our Services. In more serious
situations, such as fraud, charges for Rides that did not take place or Rider complaints, we may cancel or
refund a Rider Payment entirely (including the Fare portion). If a Rider cancels their Ride prior to your
arrival at the pick-up location, we may charge that Rider a cancellation fee on your behalf, and in this
case the cancellation fee will be treated the same as a Rider Payment for completed Rides.
4.2 Receipts. The Uber Services provide you with a system for delivering receipts to your Riders. At the
end of a Ride, the receipt will be electronically delivered to your Rider on your behalf. It includes a
breakdown of amounts charged and certain information about you and that Ride (including your details
and the route taken). If you think a correction should be made to the amounts charged, you must let us
know in writing within 15 business days after the Ride took place or we will have no further
responsibility and you waive your right to later dispute the amounts charged.
4.3 Taxes. You are required to follow applicable law regarding your tax registration, calculation and
remittance obligations for your Rides and provide us with all relevant tax information. You are
responsible for taxes on your own income. Based on applicable tax or regulatory considerations, we may
choose in our reasonable discretion to collect and remit taxes applicable to your Rides, and may provide
any of the relevant tax information you have given us directly to the applicable tax authorities on your
behalf or otherwise. For the purpose of this section, references to "tax" includes federal and state income,
gross receipts, sales and self-employment taxes, and similar charges.
4.4 Our Service Fee. In consideration of your use of the Uber Services, you will pay us a service fee
("Service Fee") that is on a per-Ride basis. In the event of a Ride where the Fare is greater than the Rider
Payment (excluding fees retained by us, and taxes and surcharges), no Service Fee will be charged for
that Ride. In such case, any excess amounts that you receive will be shown as an adjustment to your
Service Fee(s) (or if necessary, as an adjustment to another payment owed to you). For each Ride, the
Service Fee equals the Rider Payment minus: (a) the Fare; (b) Tolls; (c) any other fees retained by us
(e.g., booking fee); and (d) applicable
taxes and surcharges.
 

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In the meantime knowing all this you continue to drive

The problems can be found in the same place. It's called the mirror
Driving is not the problem, and nor am I.. I drive at the appropriate times only when the rides make sense and work the system well enough for it to serve me and not it, unlike most ants that seem to get caught up in their traps..

In any event, that's besides the point though.. Pay attention to how LA_Native thinks, this is the only way forward.. The power of the media and it's influence on motivating lawmakers into regulating these f*ktards.

Ugh - Here we go again. Another thread on the same bullshit topic. THERE IS NO LONGER A 20 OR 25% COMMISSION PAID TO UBER. There is no longer a commission (Period).

If you accepted the May 22, 2017, addendum, you agreed to drive for Uber for $0.72/$0.675 per mile and $0.12/$0.1125 per minute. Uber can charge a rider a 5.0x surge rate and still pay you base. Uber can charge a rider for a 15-mile route and pay you for the 12-mile route you drove. Get used to it.

To make things easier, below is a copy of the addendum. Please show me anywhere in the addendum the word "Commission". You ants need to stop being in denial, choose better routes (i.e. longer), stop chasing quests, and only accept rides that have either a 2.0x Boost or Surge.
Show me one screen shot where a driver has been paid base rate and Uber has charged PaX for 5.0x surge!
 

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Show me one screen shot where a driver has been paid base rate and Uber has charged PaX for 5.0x surge!
Five times is a bit extreme. I believe UberLaLa has examples of him getting paid 2.5x, but the rider was charged 3.0x plus.

Again, nowhere in the addendum does it say they will pass through any rider surge multiplier to the driver.

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