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Ran across this story and had to give it a read. What do you guys think of the points Mr. Cook makes?

http://www.businessinsider.com/desp...-safest-way-to-order-a-taxi-2014-12?r=UK&IR=T

Despite The Scary Rape Headlines, Uber Is Probably Still The Safest Way To Order A Taxi

  • James Cook

  • banned in the Indian capital New Delhi after a driver for the company was accused of raping a female passenger.

    The anti-Uber lobby - and there is one, literally composed of paid taxi company lobbyists - loves this stuff. For months, taxi companies have been making the case that a pre-booked ride from a professional driver is safer than a ride from Uber. Here's the head of the UK's private-car lobby saying exactly that.

    But despite a series of recent high-profile incidents - some involving assaults allegedly committed by Uber drivers - Uber remains one of the safest, if not the safest, ways to order a car.

    Let's think through the mechanics in play when you get in a normal taxi.

    To be a taxi driver in the UK, applicants need to undergo what's called a DBS check. That check searched for previous criminal convictions. Drivers in London also undergo a medical check to ensure that they're fit to drive. Every driver also has a unique identification number.

    Things are slightly different with Uber. First of all, drivers are given criminal background checks in the same way that normal taxi drivers are. But there are some important differences. For example, all Uber cars using the app are tracked using GPS, which means that the company has a record of every journey.

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    There's also no cash involved with Uber, as payments take place through the app. And unlike taxis, you can't hail an Uber off the street. While hailing a taxi is convenient, it opens up passengers to unlicensed taxis operating illegally. And of course, even if you get a taxi from an official rank, you don't know who the person is at the wheel.

    Uber also has a system in which passengers and drivers can rate and - if need be - identify one another. The company is notoriously vigilant when it comes to its driver ratings. It has been speculated that any driver that dips below a 4.7 rating out of 5 is deactivated by the company.

    In the normal course of business, drivers and riders know only each other's first names. Riders get to know the cars, photos, and license plates of their drivers, too. It's all automatically recorded in the app. If a dispute arises (or an assault), Uber has a complete record of who was in the car, where the car went, and how long the journey was. That's much more identifying info than a taxi ride generates.

    Uber's tracking isn't going to prevent crimes. While the idea of being tracked by GPS will deter some drivers from committing crimes, it's unlikely to stop them altogether. And in the recent rape case in New Delhi, local media reports that the accused driver didn't even have GPS tracking. So something there obviously went wrong.

    But is Uber safe to use? Well, in general, yes. But that's not to say the app offers a completely secure experience. No company can do that. But the average Uber ride - with its GPS monitoring, cashless payments, real identity recording, and pre-booking - generates more information about who is in the car, and is therefore likely to be generally safer than a normal taxi.
 

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"The anti Uber lobby. ..is made up of paid cab lobbyists....".
Stopped reading right there.
The anti Uber lobby is mostly disgruntled drivers, Current Uber drivers, Ex Uber drivers, cabbies, limo sedans, all UNPAID.
It's also law enforcement agencies, attempting to enforce existing laws.

...And Judge Chen.
Is there a paid Anti Uber lobby?
Sure.
Its not NEARLY as big as TK paints it.
 

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"The anti Uber lobby. ..is made up of paid cab lobbyists....".
Stopped reading right there.
The anti Uber lobby is mostly disgruntled drivers, Current Uber drivers, Ex Uber drivers, cabbies, limo sedans, all UNPAID.
It's also law enforcement agencies, attempting to enforce existing laws.

...And Judge Chen.
Is there a paid Anti Uber lobby?
Sure.
Its not NEARLY as big as TK paints it.
Mostly disgruntled Uber drivers? Please. Even if you could get a significant proportion of Uber drivers together on an issue - which you can't - they don't have any money and without money politicians do NOT listen to you. Cab companies have money and many, many contacts in government. Law enforcement for the most part only gives two hot craps about Uber when their forced to by city councils who are lobbied by who? Yup! Cab companies. I am no fan of Uber - I hate them actually - however I know who their real opposition is and it ain't drivers.
 

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Mostly disgruntled Uber drivers? Please. Even if you could get a significant proportion of Uber drivers together on an issue - which you can't - they don't have any money and without money politicians do NOT listen to you. Cab companies have money and many, many contacts in government. Law enforcement for the most part only gives two hot craps about Uber when their forced to by city councils who are lobbied by who? Yup! Cab companies. I am no fan of Uber - I hate them actually - however I know who their real opposition is and it ain't drivers.
Another converted fundimentalist believer in "Big Taxi".
There is only one Big Taxi, they own about 20 cab companies nationwide.
Compared to Uber, even that Mega Fleet (corporate headquarters Maryland I believe) is a flea on the back of Uber at this point.
Most garages are full of empty cabs sucking insurance payments. 20 cabs these days = deep deep debt.
 

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Another converted fundimentalist believer in "Big Taxi".
There is only one Big Taxi, they own about 20 cab companies nationwide.
Compared to Uber, even that Mega Fleet (corporate headquarters Maryland I believe) is a flea on the back of Uber at this point.
Most garages are full of empty cabs sucking insurance payments. 20 cabs these days = deep deep debt.
Taxi and limo industry is worth about 16 billion a year with 55% of that going to just taxis. Of course most of that is focused in large metropolitan areas with entrenched taxi industries and that is where the fight is taking place but MUCH smaller industries lobby government. 16 BILLION is NOT a tiny amount of money.

http://clients1.ibisworld.com/reports/us/industry/ataglance.aspx?entid=1951
 

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Taxi and limo industry is worth about 16 billion a year with 55% of that going to just taxis. Of course most of that is focused in large metropolitan areas with entrenched taxi industries and that is where the fight is taking place but MUCH smaller industries lobby government. 16 BILLION is NOT a tiny amount of money.

http://clients1.ibisworld.com/reports/us/industry/ataglance.aspx?entid=1951
POSTS 1,3,5/D Town: E X C E L L E N T
Thread-started here!
TwoFiddyMile , props as Counterpoint.

My Observation is 1st to Fault the Author
on the Topic of Technology Worship. He
admits that a SubContinental Driver man-
aged to lasso Rider/Rapee, but "without
GPS (working)".

EVERYONE...and....that means YOU,
TRAVIS...should read the Current
Thread "Trip History does not show Cost
of Ride" [LA/OC] wherein the THOUS-
ANDS of "Updates" that "The App" has undergone has Rendered it DYSFUNC-TIONAL...AT BEST!

Author ALSO thinks that a Back-
ground Check is a B.C. is a B.C....which
COULD NOT be further from the "Truth"!

Witness the Multiple NewsThreads...[THX
chi1cabby!]....with #[F]UberDrivers'
Looooong Criminal Record....somehow
escaped the uh...err.."Scrutiny" (cough!)
of the "LocalMarket" Office, like the
10,000,000+ Resident Chinese City with
a Grand Total of.......THREE.....employees
assigned to ShenanigansSWAT Duty.
Never Fear! The "Thought Police" are
here....straight out of Orwell's "1984".

UPSHOT: It depends on Location: Country,
State and City. Unless a Female PAX/Driv-
er is either Rhonda Rousey or the Actress
in "Crouching Tiger: HiddenDragon" its a
Day to Day crapshoot for Cabbing AND
#[F]Ubering.

Raquel Kalee ,Casandria ,
UberNorthStar , Jedi Driver ,
Kim Chi ?
MrsUberJax , JaxBeachDriver , Sari ?

Three males need 3 FEMALE Opinions
to Balance this Discussion.....but since
Women are the Typical Victim, even
NINE would be Welcome! Please ?

Bison: Really trying here.
 

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TwoFiddyMil said:
The anti Uber lobby. ..is made up of paid cab lobbyists....".
Stopped reading right there.
The anti Uber lobby is mostly disgruntled drivers, Current Uber drivers, Ex Uber drivers, cabbies, limo sedans, all UNPAID.
It's also law enforcement agencies, attempting to enforce existing laws.
This was in reference to the United Kingdom, initially.

D Town said:
To be a taxi driver in the UK, applicants need to undergo what's called a DBS check. That check searched for previous criminal convictions. Drivers in London also undergo a medical check to ensure that they're fit to drive.
Houston Uber drivers who what to obtain a TNC permit from the city goo thru the same checks. Unfortunately, there are many Houston U drivers driving w/o permits b/c they are told the permits are needed only when doing pickups w/n the city or at airports.

Uber GPS does not help if as person prints the trade dress off the internet or buys it off Ebay & begins taking street hails.

Now to Sir Bison (BTW, you're doing a good job. :) ) . . . I doubt a male driver would take advantage of a woman with a no-nonsense attitude whether she was young & cute, or overweight & older. To me it seems the more "trusting" a female is of a male driver or unsure as to what to do (shock), the more likely there could be an assault.

Hope that helps.
UNS :)
 

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This was in reference to the United Kingdom, initially.

Houston Uber drivers who what to obtain a TNC permit from the city goo thru the same checks. Unfortunately, there are many Houston U drivers driving w/o permits b/c they b are told the v permits are needed only when doing b pickups w/n the city or at airports.

Uber GPS does not help if as person prints the trade dress off the internet or buys it off Ebay & begins taking street hails.

Now to Sir Bison (BTW, you're doing a good job. :) ) . . . I doubt a male driver would take advantage of a woman with a no-nonsense attitude whether she was young & cute, or overweight & older. To me it seems the more "trusting" a female is of a male driver or unsure as to what to do (shock), the more likely there could be an assault.

Hope that helps.
UNS
POST # 8/UberNorthStar: Thank You for
being "first to
answer the call". Bison has
Casuale Haberdasher manning the
Samsung S4...mostly because typing on
THIS device is excruciatingly s l o w if
you've got dinnerplate-sized hooves
for typing. "Oy vey! Mishegas!", Bison
just bellowed from the kitchen...he's
surprisingly adroit in tight spaces!

Additional input is Awaited!
 
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