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Uber fares are 'default fares' to be used if a fare is not negotiated...

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Both the partner agreement and the user agreement specifically say the fares are 'default fares' to be used if a fare is not negotiated between the driver and the rider.

...you and the Company shall always have the right to negotiate a Service Fee different from the pre-arranged fee.
The purpose of the pre-arranged Service Fee is only to act as the default fee in the event neither party negotiates a different amount.

So, go ahead -
Tell your next rider that you charge a $5 pick-up fee in addition to whatever Uber charges.
Get them to send 'I AGREE TO A $5 Fee' to you by txt ...
and then request a fare adjustment from Uber at the end of the trip.


Document the email exchange you have with the CSR that refuses to increase the fare...
and then send it all to Lis-Riordin if Uber either refuses to charge the fee and pay it to you - or deactivates you.

THAT's the lawsuit I want to see.
@chi1cabby and @Another Uber Driver ... what do you think?
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In short, because Uber is ALL about the rider. One of the major selling points is not needing to pull out a card or cash and they don't want to jeopardize that. So they decide to have their cake and eat it too - include it in the partner agreement so it looks like an independent contractor relationship (which we all know it's not) but then deactivate those who do negotiate and exchange money outside the app.

The longer I work here, the more ridiculous it all gets. I'm starting to send out resumes and am eagerly waiting to hear back from SOMEbody so I can gtfo.
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Basically most ways to negotiate your rate could get you deactivated if the rider complained.
You said "most ways"...
can you suggest a way that would NOT?
You said "most ways"...
can you suggest a way that would NOT?
Now that you mention it...I can't think of any.
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are you still spreading your uber propaganda? all this will be cleared up and brought to light real soon. Oct 16th at 5 pm. to Oct 18th 10pm.
are you still spreading your uber propaganda? all this will be cleared up and brought to light real soon. Oct 16th at 5 pm. to Oct 18th 10pm.
Who you talking about? Do you even have a clue who the happy typist does here? Respect her!
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Who you talking about? Do you even have a clue who the happy typist does here? Respect her!
to the person that started the thread
Hmmmm... I like your idea!
If nothing comes from the strike by November 1st I'll just start texting pax "I have a $10 minimum fare, DO YOU AGREE TO THIS MINIMUM CHARGE?"

I don't do this for the money, it's a great tax write off because I make so much at my real job. I'll keep y'all posted and upload any/all screen shots of interactions with pax and CSR's!
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are you still spreading your uber propaganda? all this will be cleared up and brought to light real soon. Oct 16th at 5 pm. to Oct 18th 10pm.
I respect and will likely be participating in the work stoppage, but you are now hijacking every thread and spamming this group.
Please stop.
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Now that you mention it...I can't think of any.
hehe... yeah, that's what I figured!
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are you still spreading your uber propaganda?
Care to explain how starting a thread bout taking Uber to task on the contradictions between their partner agreement and their policy is 'spreading Uber propaganda"?
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In short, because Uber is ALL about the rider. One of the major selling points is not needing to pull out a card or cash and they don't want to jeopardize that. So they decide to have their cake and eat it too - include it in the partner agreement so it looks like an independent contractor relationship (which we all know it's not) but then deactivate those who do negotiate and exchange money outside the app.

The longer I work here, the more ridiculous it all gets. I'm starting to send out resumes and am eagerly waiting to hear back from SOMEbody so I can gtfo.
If they REALLY want a seamless system then tipping should be in the app. They are forcing pax who want to tip to carry cash or pull out their card assuming the driver has a reader.
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So ubers "suggested rate" is really a "mandatory rate"...

Tell me again we are not W2 employees..
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Tell me again we are not W2 employees..
Read the nine page Florida DOEO appeals ruling
and you can see why the claim failed and how to make the claim successfully.
You can see it the NEWS thread here: https://uberpeople.net/threads/florida-appeals-board-overturns-ruling.38374/
I hear Uber used to allow tipping but took the same cut out of it as the fare. When they got in trouble for that, they removed the tipping feature. This isn't about cashless, or whatever. It's Uber being a sore loser about not getting a cut of tips.
No ability to negotiate is why I hardly drive anymore. No way am I driving 15 minutes to a rider (and 15 to get back) to wait in their driveway for 5 minutes, then give a 10 minute ride all to gross $2.40 from which I pay gas and maintenance.
The m.uber only shows 2 cars in my entire county right now. I bet most of the 7 drivers I saw last week have quit already. It's especially bad out here because most riders only live a few miles from the bars. It's TOTALLY not worth have drunken creeps in my car for wages that should be illegal. Uber completely defies minimum wage laws.
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I hear Uber used to allow tipping but took the same cut out of it as the fare. When they got in trouble for that, they removed the tipping feature. This isn't about cashless, or whatever. It's Uber being a sore loser about not getting a cut of tips.
No ability to negotiate is why I hardly drive anymore. No way am I driving 15 minutes to a rider (and 15 to get back) to wait in their driveway for 5 minutes, then give a 10 minute ride all to gross $2.40 from which I pay gas and maintenance.
The m.uber only shows 2 cars in my entire county right now. I bet most of the 7 drivers I saw last week have quit already. It's especially bad out here because most riders only live a few miles from the bars. It's TOTALLY not worth have drunken creeps in my car for wages that should be illegal. Uber completely defies minimum wage laws.
Uber doesn't "disallow" tipping - it just doesn't facilitate tipping - and makes sure riders know that tipping "is not necessary".
No question about it though... the more densely populated the area you park, the faster you're going to get a ride request.
Rather than just risk just randomly asking people I think we should almost default this as most drivers will ask for a $10 "bonus" fee if the Pax is wasted. with the excuse Drivers are allowed by policy to negotiate new fares and its become standard practice amongst drivers if the pax is drunk to request an extra $10 because we are taking a huge chance of people puking in our personal vehicles.

So basically if all the drivers every once an a while tried this on the drunks ( and face most drunk people are like sure what ever I just want to get home) then it will build strength as the norm within the uber community to both the drivers and the pax's after a while. and it doesnt have to be $10 it could be $5 or something. but it seems fare sense we are taking a chance and its an easy way to make tips on some rides.

But even if it does take off as legit amongst the bar/club crowds and it does become the norm the real gold here isnt the $10 bonus fee we would get. It would be that it would become common knowledge Drivers can negotiate fees (although lets try to be ethical and use legit circumstances such as long drives where you might eat the dead miles on the way back etc). And we would have real examples and not theoreticals for this issue.

Im not a marketing genius but I think the drinking crowd would be the best niche group to get the foot in the door to try this, especially to build a normal instance where the community has an flat rate expected extra fee.

Tell me what you think.
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Rather than just risk just randomly asking people I think we should almost default this as most drivers will ask for a $10 "bonus" fee if the Pax is wasted. with the excuse Drivers are allowed by policy to negotiate new fares and its become standard practice amongst drivers if the pax is drunk to request an extra $10 because we are taking a huge chance of people puking in our personal vehicles.

So basically if all the drivers every once an a while tried this on the drunks ( and face most drunk people are like sure what ever I just want to get home) then it will build strength as the norm within the uber community to both the drivers and the pax's after a while. and it doesnt have to be $10 it could be $5 or something. but it seems fare sense we are taking a chance and its an easy way to make tips on some rides.

But even if it does take off as legit amongst the bar/club crowds and it does become the norm the real gold here isnt the $10 bonus fee we would get. It would be that it would become common knowledge Drivers can negotiate fees (although lets try to be ethical and use legit circumstances such as long drives where you might eat the dead miles on the way back etc). And we would have real examples and not theoreticals for this issue.

Im not a marketing genius but I think the drinking crowd would be the best niche group to get the foot in the door to try this, especially to build a normal instance where the community has an flat rate expected extra fee.

Tell me what you think.
Wouldn't it be a LOT easier to just attempt this with a friend/relative/spouse who can understand what you're doing?
Hey guys. So lets say the driver calls the pax and agrees to druve the 20 miles or whatever to go grt them for an extra 20 bucs. Or if the driver simply asks for cash to drive all that way to pick up. If the rider reports the driver for solicitation, will uber then go back to listen to the phone conversation?
Hey guys. So lets say the driver calls the pax and agrees to druve the 20 miles or whatever to go grt them for an extra 20 bucs. Or if the driver simply asks for cash to drive all that way to pick up. If the rider reports the driver for solicitation, will uber then go back to listen to the phone conversation?
see this newer thread for a re-hash and continuation of this topic...
(https://uberpeople.net/threads/can-we-deny-rides-to-non-account-holders.60132/)
starts at around msg #7
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