Uber and Lyft’s biggest nightmare has just begun.

Uber and Lyft’s biggest nightmare has just begun.

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Anything that is a 'big nightmare' for Uber and Lyft will be good for gig workers.

I put "No" but in reality it won't likely have any significant effect.

Whatever gets proposed will be worse for drivers, because these people come at the issue from a W2 worker/union perspective. Instead of just fixing the basic issues drivers have (no set per mile/per minute rates anymore, no deactivation appeals process, etc), they will try to shoehorn drivers into the employee model.

Atom guy said:

Whatever gets proposed will be worse for drivers, because these people come at the issue from a W2 worker/union perspective. Instead of just fixing the basic issues drivers have (no set per mile/per minute rates anymore, no deactivation appeals process, etc), they will try to shoehorn drivers into the employee model.

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Agreed. Plus, rideshare drivers and other gig workers aren't a big enough demographic, nor is there enough money behind us to make any big difference. That and neither Dems or Reps are going to be our saving grace. I don't believe in many conspiracy theories, but it's not hard to believe the theory that both parties are actually collaborating behind closed doors but then publicly displaying criticisms toward each other and having different ideas just to give the appearance that they both care about their constituents.

losiglow said:

Agreed. Plus, rideshare drivers and other gig workers aren't a big enough demographic, nor is there enough money behind us to make any big difference. That and neither Dems or Reps are going to be our saving grace. I don't believe in many conspiracy theories, but it's not hard to believe the theory that both parties are actually collaborating behind closed doors but then publicly displaying criticisms toward each other and having different ideas just to give the appearance that they both care about their constituents.

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The only way they could fix this is by setting rate card and thats it. Thats the only way to fix rideshare is a rate card but these idiots want tax money. The problem with 15 dollars an hour is one it will not pay enough and then you wont be able write off mileage. She's absolutely insane but I dont think it will hold and get challenged

Another thing to think about... no matter how "good" a piece of legislation might be, if you're a bottom earner it may help you make more. But if you're a top earner it may hurt you because if U/L is forced to pay bottom earners more, they will naturally figure out a way to pay top earners less.

Anything good that may come from legislation will only be nullified by U/L changing the rules of the game.

Bottom line, as long as the barrier to entry for this gig is as low as it is, it will never be a decent reliable gig.

Schmanthony said:

Another thing to think about... no matter how "good" a piece of legislation might be, if you're a bottom earner it may help you make more. But if you're a top earner it may hurt you because if U/L is forced to pay bottom earners more, they will naturally figure out a way to pay top earners less.

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FACTS!!!!!!!!

Schmanthony said:

Another thing to think about... no matter how "good" a piece of legislation might be, if you're a bottom earner it may help you make more. But if you're a top earner it may hurt you because if U/L is forced to pay bottom earners more, they will naturally figure out a way to pay top earners less.

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This is why we have dollar surge now instead of multiplier. They are spreading the same "bonus budget" around to more drivers - surge meets socialism

Buckiemohawk said:

The only way they could fix this is by setting rate card and thats it. Thats the only way to fix rideshare is a rate card but these idiots want tax money. The problem with 15 dollars an hour is one it will not pay enough and then you wont be able write off mileage. She's absolutely insane but I dont think it will hold and get challenged

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I would think the idea would be $15/hr plus the federal rate for mileage. This would immediately mean far more ants lining up for work, which I would presume means that ants would need to be the first to answer a ping to get work.

Schmanthony said:

Another thing to think about... no matter how "good" a piece of legislation might be, if you're a bottom earner it may help you make more. But if you're a top earner it may hurt you because if U/L is forced to pay bottom earners more, they will naturally figure out a way to pay top earners less.

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There will be no such thing as a "top earner" since everyone will be offered the same rate.

Schmanthony said:

Another thing to think about... no matter how "good" a piece of legislation might be, if you're a bottom earner it may help you make more. But if you're a top earner it may hurt you because if U/L is forced to pay bottom earners more, they will naturally figure out a way to pay top earners less.

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Which is only 'fair' isn't it?
I mean, we have to hold back smart kids so they don't make the lazy kids feel bad, right?
We give out trophies to everyone who played because we can't have 'winners and losers', it will make them feel bad.

Don't you think that a capable, hard working person should get the same thing as the lazy one?
What if the 'lazy one' is a minority, maybe we OWE him reparations for the way his great grandfather was treated. Shouldn't he make the same, or more, as the privileged pale one?

Equality for all.

UberBastid said:

Equality for all...

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is not the same thing as Equal Opportunity for all

Interesting that out of 10 votes cast at this point, no one thinks that the prospect of government regulation will be bad for Uber/Lyft. That's curious since the consensus among the companies and shareholders is that government regulation could force them out of business.

Makes me think that the responders here are either just knee-jerk voting, or they really don't know what the business model for profit is within the rideshare companies..

Michael - Cleveland said:

Interesting that out of 10 votes cast at this point, no one think that the prospect of government regulation will be bad for Uber/Lyft. Odd, since the consensus among the companies and shareholders is that government regulation could force them out of business.

Makes me think that the responders here are either just knee-jerk voting, or they really don't know what the business model for profit is within the rideshare companies..

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If they do the 15 dollar an hour it will force them out because nobody will be able to write of mileage. If they do a rate card it will stop a lot of long trips to a certain extension

Michael - Cleveland said:

Interesting that out of 10 votes cast at this point, no one think that the prospect of government regulation will be bad for Uber/Lyft. Odd, since the consensus among the companies and shareholders is that government regulation could force them out of business.

Makes me think that the responders here are either just knee-jerk voting, or they really don't know what the business model for profit is within the rideshare companies..

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The question as posed was will it be good for gig workers so I never considered the Uber/Lyft being screwed answer.

My thoughts about the impact on U/L is that it certainly won't make things better for them. They have what they want now, even if they mismanage it somewhat. If restrictions are placed on them it will cost them more to comply with said restrictions. Whether it would put them out of business or not, I doubt it. They have created some dystopian rhetoric to scare people about what would happen if we were employees and while it's clear that costs would go up for them, it's not clear how dramatically they would have to change work rules (despite what they claim) and there is a way to recoup the increased costs , it's called charging the customer the true cost of the product. The may get less rides but they'll reach an appropriate equilibrium and hopefully scale back on the number of drivers on the street at a given time.

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My thoughts about the impact on U/L is that it certainly won't make things better for them. They have what they want now, even if they mismanage it somewhat. If restrictions are placed on them it will cost them more to comply with said restrictions. Whether it would put them out of business or not, I doubt it.

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Yep they continue to make the argument that employing drivers would put them out of business. And 7 years ago I'd have agreed. But theses companies have had a decade now of very high priced bean-counters and business managers on board to come up with "plan B" . . .

So, IMO, if they haven't put plans in place for when/if the law changes, then they deserve to go out of business.

Nothing good will come of these government managers as long as they keep hiring people based on the color of their skin an what part of the world their heritage originates from. Its the epitomy of ignorance an stupidity. Identity doesnt give you competence or qualifications. F*** our government