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Truckers picket in demand of payment for hours spent waiting
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It’s definitely an issue, because the feds mandate a limit on how many hours a trucker can operate per day/week. Truckers make money when the tires are turning, and when you’re waiting to get loaded, your clock is running down reducing your earnings potential and making you run the risk of being late to your next expected destination.
The ports in America are a unionized joke. Biden said he was going to “fix it,” but his gay-appointed transportation secretary was too busy taking taxpayer paid “family-leave” time off with his hubby to go create a family.
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The ports in America are a unionized joke. Biden said he was going to “fix it,” but his gay-appointed transportation secretary was too busy taking taxpayer paid “family-leave” time off with his hubby to go create a family.
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I couldn't care less who he, or anyone else, decides to go to bed with. It doesn't affect me at all, and it doesn't affect the way he does his job.
Some people are gay. Some people are not gay. Get over it.
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Which president HAS fixed it? This has been going on for a long time.
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Detention pay is a massive problem for the trucking industry, and sadly most drivers don't get paid it either. Most trucking companies give a shipper/receiver two hours "free time" (it's built into the rate) for loading/unloading, beyond that, they charge XXX per hour or portion of hour in detention charges. What sucks is, that detention time charged rarely filters back to the driver, and if it does, it's typically hourly, the going rate is $15 to $18 per hour, but even then there are limits to how much they will pay. Some companies do pay a decent rate for detention, reefer, flatbed and heavy haul get paid the best typically for detention, in some cases, heavy haul detention can roll into layover rates, very common with windmill and construction site long haul. I've seen windmill haulers sit for 3 or 4 days sometimes before they can access a pad site due to inclement weather.
The company I work for, we give two hours free, after two hours, the detention rate varies from $100 to $300 per hour, depending on the forwarder/broker and the customer. I get 30% of that detention rate. My time starts when I get to the customer or when the appointment time is (if I get there 30 minutes early and they start on me 30 minutes early, then the time starts 30 minutes early, but if they don't start on me till the appointment time, then the billed time starts then), like this past week, we've been delivering in Salt Lake all week, standing 8 am appt. time. On Monday I was there straight up 8am, and that's when my time started, took them 3.25 hours to unload me, we billed them for 1.25 hrs of detention, which I'll get 30% of. On Weds. I was there at 7:45, bumped the dock at 7:50, my time started at 8am, they didn't start unloading me till 8:30, didn't finish till 12:15, we billed them for 2.25 hrs of detention, which I'll get 30% of, my final load of the week, I was there at 7:35, bumped the dock at 7:40, they started on me at 8, my time started at 8, they didn't finish me until 2:15 pm, we will bill them for 4.25 hr of detention, I believe the detention rate for this customer is $200/hr, so $1,550, which I get 30% so $465, I should gross $2,400 for 6 days. Now, here's the other part of this, one my coworkers delivered on Tuesday, he drives a city tractor, not a sleeper truck like me, he left Monday, got a hotel Monday night, delivered Tuesday morning, took them just shy of 7 hrs to unload, then he had to get a tire fixed. By the time he left SLC, he had 5 total hours remaining on his 14 hr clock, he drove to someplace in Wyoming, got a hotel room. Because the customer kept him so long, instead of them being charged for detention, we'll bill them for layover, which is $500 minimum plus a partial run charge.
These port drivers, and I've done and occasionally do port work, they get screwed big time, the longshormen in SoCal are the highest paid union workers in the world, on average $225,000 or more plus benefits. Many of these truckers are paid by the load, so they need to maximize their time, and as the article is saying, a lot of these ports are hiring to unload the ships, but that doesn't translate to crane operators to load trucks, hence these guys sometimes sit 2 or 3 hours to load and go. The general way it works, unless the trucker brings a chassis with him, he has to find a chassis, then find the box, and wait to get it loaded, then if needed take the chassis to roadability and have it made roadworthy if needed.
The other thing with detention pay, not every trucker is able to charge it, not every shipper/receiver will pay it, and if they do, they have very specific rules to follow. Walmart rarely pays detention charges, unless very specific conditions are met, and they are ridiculous on these conditions. You cannot be late, at all, if your delivery appointment is 4 am, you better be checking in at the guard shack by 3:15 am, so that you can be in the dock, dropped, and checking in at the receivers window at least 5 minutes before your delivery appointment. If your appointment is at 4, and you check into the receiver at 4:01, and it takes them 5 hrs to unload you, Walmart will fight you for that detention charge, and they will flat out say "the driver was late, his appointment was at 4 am, not 4:01 am", and hundreds of truckers have seen them do this. A lot of the freight brokers will fight owner operators for detention charges, some are better than others, but I've seen dozens of complaints that Uber Freight sucks at paying detention charges.
Just like the drivers in Cali fighting against AB5, I support these drivers fully.
The company I work for, we give two hours free, after two hours, the detention rate varies from $100 to $300 per hour, depending on the forwarder/broker and the customer. I get 30% of that detention rate. My time starts when I get to the customer or when the appointment time is (if I get there 30 minutes early and they start on me 30 minutes early, then the time starts 30 minutes early, but if they don't start on me till the appointment time, then the billed time starts then), like this past week, we've been delivering in Salt Lake all week, standing 8 am appt. time. On Monday I was there straight up 8am, and that's when my time started, took them 3.25 hours to unload me, we billed them for 1.25 hrs of detention, which I'll get 30% of. On Weds. I was there at 7:45, bumped the dock at 7:50, my time started at 8am, they didn't start unloading me till 8:30, didn't finish till 12:15, we billed them for 2.25 hrs of detention, which I'll get 30% of, my final load of the week, I was there at 7:35, bumped the dock at 7:40, they started on me at 8, my time started at 8, they didn't finish me until 2:15 pm, we will bill them for 4.25 hr of detention, I believe the detention rate for this customer is $200/hr, so $1,550, which I get 30% so $465, I should gross $2,400 for 6 days. Now, here's the other part of this, one my coworkers delivered on Tuesday, he drives a city tractor, not a sleeper truck like me, he left Monday, got a hotel Monday night, delivered Tuesday morning, took them just shy of 7 hrs to unload, then he had to get a tire fixed. By the time he left SLC, he had 5 total hours remaining on his 14 hr clock, he drove to someplace in Wyoming, got a hotel room. Because the customer kept him so long, instead of them being charged for detention, we'll bill them for layover, which is $500 minimum plus a partial run charge.
These port drivers, and I've done and occasionally do port work, they get screwed big time, the longshormen in SoCal are the highest paid union workers in the world, on average $225,000 or more plus benefits. Many of these truckers are paid by the load, so they need to maximize their time, and as the article is saying, a lot of these ports are hiring to unload the ships, but that doesn't translate to crane operators to load trucks, hence these guys sometimes sit 2 or 3 hours to load and go. The general way it works, unless the trucker brings a chassis with him, he has to find a chassis, then find the box, and wait to get it loaded, then if needed take the chassis to roadability and have it made roadworthy if needed.
The other thing with detention pay, not every trucker is able to charge it, not every shipper/receiver will pay it, and if they do, they have very specific rules to follow. Walmart rarely pays detention charges, unless very specific conditions are met, and they are ridiculous on these conditions. You cannot be late, at all, if your delivery appointment is 4 am, you better be checking in at the guard shack by 3:15 am, so that you can be in the dock, dropped, and checking in at the receivers window at least 5 minutes before your delivery appointment. If your appointment is at 4, and you check into the receiver at 4:01, and it takes them 5 hrs to unload you, Walmart will fight you for that detention charge, and they will flat out say "the driver was late, his appointment was at 4 am, not 4:01 am", and hundreds of truckers have seen them do this. A lot of the freight brokers will fight owner operators for detention charges, some are better than others, but I've seen dozens of complaints that Uber Freight sucks at paying detention charges.
Just like the drivers in Cali fighting against AB5, I support these drivers fully.
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Actually it does effect the way he does his job. He left his job position at a very critical time in the yrucking industry. Where have you been? Why you feel so defensive when it comes too same sex relations? Guber was just stating the obvious. You in the closet?!?
That idiot was in our city yesterday promoting a BS lightrai lthat brings out the dregs of society. Mayor PETE is an intelligent IDIOT. He needs too be working on REAL problems but he wont because he is bought an paid for too be anti American.
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Except his choices DID affect his job. Petey doesn’t even know how how to drive a vehicle with a standard transmission, he only got the job as “transportation secretary” because Biden wanted to appoint more gays & transgenders regardless of qualifications. The country is having supply issues, so either tackle the issues or give the job to somebody who gives a f*. It was a gay-ass stupid move to accept a presidential appointment and then immediately take a leave of absence on the taxpayers dime while the country is going down the shitter.
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Agreed, the but it’s never been this bad. We have container ships that are backed up for miles at sea. Biden said months ago the ports would open 7/24, but it never happened. I guess Petey was too busy at home trying to learn how to squeeze milk from his tit.
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The company drivers are getting ripped off as well. They get paid by the mile, not paid to sit inside a truck and watch the DOT clock go into violation. Those OTR drivers need to get their can loaded and then find somewhere to park a big rig before they run out of hours.
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Damn! Sounds like the driver's cut from Uber.
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And that's some low hanging fruit to help the situation. Pause the stupid clock when you're not moving and literally either napping or playing sudoku, just like Uber does.
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Mine are paid by the hour. Plenty of jobs out there for CDL holders with clean records, can sit there and get paid the whole time.
Those who made the choice to be "owners" or "lease holders" or similar situation (but didn't have the money to actually buy the truck) need to wise up and take their rig to another company.
Pull a flatbed? You write your own ticket.
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Congrats! In the short amount of time it took you to write that sentence you were able to convince the forum why you’re only an Uber Driver and not a real Commercial Driver. 🤭
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The homoeroticism is so subtle that one could be forgiven for missing it entirely!
...or on the bottom!
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Agreed. My advice is go the “company” route. Carriers pay good benefits including health, and when you get tired of the job or the company, you turn in the keys and say adios’.
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