Track your rides at what you are actually paid versus the rate card

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DMCK

Discussion Starter · 7 mo ago

So, while we don't know exactly what the riders are paying, unless we ask, Lyft is screwing us all. Out of the people I have asked, Lyft is taking 55-75% of each fare.

I started tracking "actual" versus "rate card" (which are still bs rates). Took out the bonus/surge rate and tips from the total paid for each ride, because you can't get an accurate figure with those in there.

Out of 83 rides so far Lyft has shorted me $42. This includes what I made above the rate card rates. While not a huge amount averaged per ride, you know they are doing this to every driver, which amounts to a lot over the course of a day.

Started looking for a W2 job. I can't keep going giving 15 rides/day, making $150/day and spending $40 of that on gas. While Lyft is charging riders 3-4 times what we are receiving.

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DMCK

Discussion Starter · #21 · 7 mo ago

Nats121 said:
You're never going to get enough drivers to disrupt the company. The good news is you don't need a lot of drivers to strike. All you need is to get the attention of the media and the politicians.

A small strike in 2019 in CA was a catalyst for AB5.

Yea, Georgia is a RED state. They are all for corporations, not as liberal as California. I'm drafting a letter to send to the Georgia legislature, the State and Federal Department of Labor, and the news media. Not that it will do any good, but at least I'm attempting to do something. A lot more than I can say for probably the majority of drivers. It's just sad that any change for the good will benefit those that could care less to enact for change.

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theonearmedman

· #22 · 7 mo ago

Uber is poverty, lyft is welfare

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WI_Hedgehog

· #23 · 7 mo ago

@DMCK's spreadsheet template in both current Excel (xlsx) and Excel 97 (xls) formats
(provided by @DMCK)

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Guido-TheKillerPimp

· #24 · 7 mo ago

New2This said:
gaped

That is my favorite genre of adult cinema!

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chuchu

· #25 · 7 mo ago

DMCK said:
Yea, Georgia is a RED state. They are all for corporations, not as liberal as California. I'm drafting a letter to send to the Georgia legislature, the State and Federal Department of Labor, and the news media. Not that it will do any good, but at least I'm attempting to do something. A lot more than I can say for probably the majority of drivers. It's just sad that any change for the good will benefit those that could care less to enact for change.

Thank you for your courage! This is really serious issue!
Respect!

chuchu

· #26 · 7 mo ago

WI_Hedgehog said:
@DMCK's spreadsheet template in both current Excel (xlsx) and Excel 97 (xls) formats
(provided by @DMCK)

Thank you for your time. Please educate our poor servants!

Diamondraider

· #27 · 7 mo ago

DMCK said:
Yea, Georgia is a RED state. They are all for corporations, not as liberal as California. I'm drafting a letter to send to the Georgia legislature, the State and Federal Department of Labor, and the news media. Not that it will do any good, but at least I'm attempting to do something. A lot more than I can say for probably the majority of drivers. It's just sad that any change for the good will benefit those that could care less to enact for change.

Conservatives are no longer the party of the rich. Take a brief look at the net worth of all the Democrat reps and senators net worth.

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Amsoil Uber Connect

· #28 · 7 mo ago

DMCK said:
I'm drafting a letter to send to the Georgia legislature, the State and Federal Department of Labor, and the news media. Not that it will do any good, but at least I'm attempting to do something.

Right on ! I'd like to read and forward it here.

To bad there is so much negativity here. Well they can Wallow in it then. As that is a Stop and no one will get any where making excuses. Sure it will be read by there Staff and you will get a Canned reply by there staff. Now send a few Thousand and it may get some traction.

theonearmedman

· #29 · 7 mo ago

Amsoil Uber Connect said:
Right on ! I'd like to read and forward it here.

To bad there is so much negativity here. Well they can Wallow in it then. As that is a Stop and no one will get any where making excuses. Sure it will be read by there Staff and you will get a Canned reply by there staff. Now send a few Thousand and it may get some traction.

Georgia is a dump too lol. Atlanta is trash

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Uberisfuninlv

· #30 · 7 mo ago

Track your rides at what you are actually paid versus the rate card

What’s the point of this? The rate card is irrelevant now as both Uber and Lyft will never go back to paying us this way. Fares will be true supply and demand based. If it’s not busy they will pay us low. When it’s busy fares will pay better. The key to beating this and be most profitable is to run multiple apps including food delivery so you have multiple options to choose from.

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Shakur

· #31 · 7 mo ago

Scheduled rides with lyft are actually showing the decrease in earnings. I think the developers forgot to stop showing the old price when the list updates

ashland ave to westmont originally was 20-27. Then I go to refresh and it says 16-23 lol.

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Shakur

· #32 · 7 mo ago

uber4eva said:
The math is ridiculous. I’m getting requests that once I factor in the mileage are coming out to around $8 an hour. That doesn’t even touch tax liability. Nor does that take into account miles that will be driven after the fact, either to drive back home or before receiving and accepting another ride. We are talking literally negative rates if you give one ride then go home.

Which is whats happening because i look at these rides and either do 1 and get fast food or I just stay in and dont do it at all

Nats121

· #33 · 7 mo ago

uber4eva said:
That’s why I won’t be participating in any of those stupid demonstrations. There will never be reform until we stop inviting 5 million new immigrants into the country every year who can’t do math and think because they make $2 a day back in Tegucigalpa that $7 for a 20 mile trip is lucrative. Lyft and Uber don’t need you because they have millions of indentured servants to do their dirty work for them and soon they won’t even need those guys. They will have driverless cars and pax will laugh while unemployed former Uber drivers who had their cars repossessed are ran over as pedestrians by the new autonomous fleet of cars taking them to their destination

No one has discussed the immigration problem more than I have on this website over the years. I've discussed it a zillion times and have repeatedly pointed out that perpetually high rates of Third World immigration has been Uber's ultimate weapon because it's always been a reliable source of fresh bodies to replace the 98% of drivers who quit every year.

Given the high immigration rates the ONLY hope drivers have for major reform is GOVT REGULATION.

When the govt implements regulations the gig companies must abide by those regulations REGARDLESS of immigration rates.

Washington state passed new regulations in May that will take effect in January. Driver pay rates will be regulated by the state. An appeals board will be created for drivers to appeal wrongful terminations. Other benefits including paid sick leave will be part of the new laws.

The new pay rates for Washington State drivers will be $3.00 base fare/ $1.17 per mile/ $0.34 per minute

Seattle drivers will be paid $5.17 base fare/ $1.38 per mile/ $0.58 per minute

Seattle's per minute rate will be the highest in the US, even higher than NYC.

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WI_Hedgehog

· #34 · 7 mo ago

"...perpetually high rates of Third World immigration..."
It's kind of like Lord of the Flies: Hoping the group that created the cause of the problems (immigration) will fix the outcome of the problems (labor imbalance) by using the same failed logic results in greater disaster.

Nats121

· #35 · 7 mo ago

WI_Hedgehog said:
"...perpetually high rates of Third World immigration..."
It's kind of like Lord of the Flies: Hoping the group that created the cause of the problems (immigration) will fix the outcome of the problems (labor imbalance) by using the same failed logic results in greater disaster.

The govt has played a major role in the drivers' plight with their immigration policies. But only the govt has the power to put a stop to the exploitation of drivers. The drivers can't do it themselves.

So yes, the entity (the govt) that helped cause the problems is the entity drivers will need to fix those problems. It's the only hope the drivers have.

I should add that the federal govt is the entity that helped cause the problems but most likely it will be the state govts that fix it.

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WI_Hedgehog

· #36 · 7 mo ago (Edited)

Nats121 said:
The govt has played a major role in the drivers' plight with their immigration policies. But only the govt has the power to put a stop to the exploitation of drivers. The drivers can't do it themselves.

So yes, the entity (the govt) that helped cause the problems is the entity drivers will need to fix those problems. It's the only hope the drivers have.

I should add that the federal govt is the entity that helped cause the problems but most likely it will be the state govts that fix it.

From the perspective I want to personally stay free of politics, the largest UP member complaint is poor pay, driven by ants, which is due to government sanctioned illegal immigration. The government has no desire to reverse immigration, so by extension the outcome will not reverse.

As you state the issue lies at the Federal level, and some States are trying to fix the problem, but will most likely not. The children of the illegals are anchors, "citizens by default" (in all but a few rare cases), so even if/when States eventually purge the workforce of illegals their children will refill it. If that set of assumptions is correct, it stands to reason this is done for a purpose as those in power aren't "dumb."

Note I'm not making a value judgement, rather examining cause-effect.

On-topic, if members find this sheet is useful for record keeping and would like things modified/enhanced, either the author @DMCK or possibly myself may be able to assist (though I do not speak for @DMCK nor would I make modifications he does not approve of).

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Nats121

· #37 · 7 mo ago

WI_Hedgehog said:
From the perspective I want to personally stay free of politics, the largest UP member complaint is poor pay, driven by ants, which is due to government sanctioned illegal immigration. The government has no desire to reverse immigration, so by extension the outcome will not reverse.

As you correctly state the issue lies at the Federal level, and some States are trying to fix the problem, but will most likely not. The children of the illegals are anchors, "citizens by default" (in all but a few rare cases), so even if/when States eventually purge the workforce of illegals their children will refill it.

Note I'm not making a value judgement, rather examining cause-effect.

On-topic, if members find this sheet is useful for record keeping and would like things modified/enhanced, either the author @DMCK or possibly myself may be able to assist (though I do not speak for @DMCK nor would I make modifications he does not approve of).

I disagree about the illegal immigrant part. Unless someone has credible evidence to prove otherwise (and so far no one has presented any), I have no doubt that the vast majority of immigrant drivers are LEGAL immigrants.

ClubbaLangdaman

· #38 · 7 mo ago (Edited)

We’re in a recession, possibly depression for many going forward. Higher inflation than your great grandparents have witnessed, ask them. People over leveraged all over the place; homes, cars, unsecured and secured debt Etc. Bankruptcy of ungodly numbers coming. If you drive where I do overnights, all the roll backs operating in the area, from affluent to hood communities, Land Rover’s and BMW’s too Kia’s and Hyundai‘s on the back. Immigration?

My area philly/s.Jersey, hustling full time,

I see Uber/Lyft drivers showing up with Tennesse, Ohio, Arizona, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, and West Virginia. All possibly rentals? Don’t know? I was doing gas calls in the summer, these people were not calling AAA, they were pinging Uber/Lyfts, for a ride to the nearest station, with their 1 gallon can, from affluent to hood????? Soup kitchen lines everywhere. Homeless everywhere. Homeless shelter pickups. Homeless pickups. Methadone clinic pickups, Strippers demanding more money Or getting out the business. Sally girl n Johnny boy in the back contemplating bankruptcy. ATM machine rides where they stick 10 cards in but get 50 bucks from 1 card. Mortgage brokers writers or whatever they call themselves saying 9 out of 10 people are behind or seriously delinquent. Canceled rides during the trip? Motel or hotel pickups, families live there. On and on……………..

Immigration? Distraction. There is no immigration problem. Desperate people driving for Uber/Lyft, from affluent to hood, yes they are. Only the strong survive and the weak are purged. Capitalism. Drive carefull. Be smart. It’s gonna get worse, we’re all witness to it, look around.

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234731

· #39 · 6 mo ago

ClubbaLangdaman said:
We’re in a recession, possibly depression for many going forward. Higher inflation than your great grandparents have witnessed, ask them. People over leveraged all over the place; homes, cars, unsecured and secured debt Etc. Bankruptcy of ungodly numbers coming. If you drive where I do overnights, all the roll backs operating in the area, from affluent to hood communities, Land Rover’s and BMW’s too Kia’s and Hyundai‘s on the back. Immigration?

My area philly/s.Jersey, hustling full time,

I see Uber/Lyft drivers showing up with Tennesse, Ohio, Arizona, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, and West Virginia. All possibly rentals? Don’t know? I was doing gas calls in the summer, these people were not calling AAA, they were pinging Uber/Lyfts, for a ride to the nearest station, with their 1 gallon can, from affluent to hood????? Soup kitchen lines everywhere. Homeless everywhere. Homeless shelter pickups. Homeless pickups. Methadone clinic pickups, Strippers demanding more money Or getting out the business. Sally girl n Johnny boy in the back contemplating bankruptcy. ATM machine rides where they stick 10 cards in but get 50 bucks from 1 card. Mortgage brokers writers or whatever they call themselves saying 9 out of 10 people are behind or seriously delinquent. Canceled rides during the trip? Motel or hotel pickups, families live there. On and on……………..

Immigration? Distraction. There is no immigration problem. Desperate people driving for Uber/Lyft, from affluent to hood, yes they are. Only the strong survive and the weak are purged. Capitalism. Drive carefull. Be smart. It’s gonna get worse, we’re all witness to it, look around.

Happy thanksgiving ?

theonearmedman

· #40 · 6 mo ago

ClubbaLangdaman said:
We’re in a recession, possibly depression for many going forward. Higher inflation than your great grandparents have witnessed, ask them. People over leveraged all over the place; homes, cars, unsecured and secured debt Etc. Bankruptcy of ungodly numbers coming. If you drive where I do overnights, all the roll backs operating in the area, from affluent to hood communities, Land Rover’s and BMW’s too Kia’s and Hyundai‘s on the back. Immigration?

My area philly/s.Jersey, hustling full time,

I see Uber/Lyft drivers showing up with Tennesse, Ohio, Arizona, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, and West Virginia. All possibly rentals? Don’t know? I was doing gas calls in the summer, these people were not calling AAA, they were pinging Uber/Lyfts, for a ride to the nearest station, with their 1 gallon can, from affluent to hood????? Soup kitchen lines everywhere. Homeless everywhere. Homeless shelter pickups. Homeless pickups. Methadone clinic pickups, Strippers demanding more money Or getting out the business. Sally girl n Johnny boy in the back contemplating bankruptcy. ATM machine rides where they stick 10 cards in but get 50 bucks from 1 card. Mortgage brokers writers or whatever they call themselves saying 9 out of 10 people are behind or seriously delinquent. Canceled rides during the trip? Motel or hotel pickups, families live there. On and on……………..

Immigration? Distraction. There is no immigration problem. Desperate people driving for Uber/Lyft, from affluent to hood, yes they are. Only the strong survive and the weak are purged. Capitalism. Drive carefull. Be smart. It’s gonna get worse, we’re all witness to it, look around.

Yes. A great depression 2.0 is coming. Going to be food and fuel shortages for a while.... yet the stock markets seem to be going up even though we are in a recession... the fed doesn't want to see it crash.

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