[DMCK]

So, while we don't know exactly what the riders are paying, unless we ask, Lyft is screwing us all. Out of the people I have asked, Lyft is taking 55-75% of each fare.

I started tracking "actual" versus "rate card" (which are still bs rates). Took out the bonus/surge rate and tips from the total paid for each ride, because you can't get an accurate figure with those in there.

Out of 83 rides so far Lyft has shorted me $42. This includes what I made above the rate card rates. While not a huge amount averaged per ride, you know they are doing this to every driver, which amounts to a lot over the course of a day.

Started looking for a W2 job. I can't keep going giving 15 rides/day, making $150/day and spending $40 of that on gas. While Lyft is charging riders 3-4 times what we are receiving.

 

[WI_Hedgehog]

This should be stickied.
If you shared your spreadsheet template this might get traction. Low pay sucks, getting ripped off on top of it though...

UPDATE: @DMCK's spreadsheet in both the current Excel (xlsx) and Excel 97 (xls) formats (provided by @DMCK)

 

[New2This]

So, while we don't know exactly what the riders are paying, unless we ask, Lyft is screwing us all. Out of the people I have asked, Lyft is taking 55-75% of each fare.

I started tracking "actual" versus "rate card" (which are still bs rates). Took out the bonus/surge rate and tips from the total paid for each ride, because you can't get an accurate figure with those in there.

Out of 83 rides so far Lyft has shorted me $42. This includes what I made above the rate card rates. While not a huge amount averaged per ride, you know they are doing this to every driver, which amounts to a lot over the course of a day.

Started looking for a W2 job. I can't keep going giving 15 rides/day, making $150/day and spending $40 of that on gas. While Lyft is charging riders 3-4 times what we are receiving.

Nice chart.

If you're in a busier area and they're charging Prime Time for riders, you're getting gaped even more.

 

[DMCK]

This should be stickied.
If you shared your spreadsheet template this might get traction. Low pay sucks, getting ripped off on top of it though...

I don't know how to share an excel file on here. I'd be happy to email it to you.

 

[Wild Bill Yahoo]

So, while we don't know exactly what the riders are paying, unless we ask, Lyft is screwing us all. Out of the people I have asked, Lyft is taking 55-75% of each fare.

I started tracking "actual" versus "rate card" (which are still bs rates). Took out the bonus/surge rate and tips from the total paid for each ride, because you can't get an accurate figure with those in there.

Out of 83 rides so far Lyft has shorted me $42. This includes what I made above the rate card rates. While not a huge amount averaged per ride, you know they are doing this to every driver, which amounts to a lot over the course of a day.

Started looking for a W2 job. I can't keep going giving 15 rides/day, making $150/day and spending $40 of that on gas. While Lyft is charging riders 3-4 times what we are receiving.

Rate cards have been eliminated with UFF... so what are you comparing it to? A historical rate card that doesn't exist anymore?

 

[DMCK]

Rate cards have been eliminated with UFF... so what are you comparing it to? A historical rate card that doesn't exist anymore?

Actually the rate cards do still exist. They still use them in some instances. I've had several rides in the last 2 weeks that it has been used. And the one that I am referencing is the last one that is available for the Atlanta market, where I am located.

 

[Wild Bill Yahoo]

Actually the rate cards do still exist. They still use them in some instances. I've had several rides in the last 2 weeks that it has been used. And the one that I am referencing is the last one that is available for the Atlanta market, where I am located.

Not according to Dara.

Interview with Dara

 

[DMCK]

Not according to Dara.

Interview with Dara

I do primarily Lyft, and am referencing Lyft's rate card

 

[Amsoil Uber Connect]

Yes Lyft's Rate Card is still available. Even though they claim they are not used any more.
Is this even Legal ?

I made a Rate Calculator a while ago because even though drive mostly Inland Empire I do end up in Orange county.
LA and North OC county are higher than the IE and South of the 133 / Laguna Canyon are higher than North OC/LA. Even Palm Springs is an even higher rate.
I made it to plug in Miles and Minutes for a comparison of a trip.

 

[DMCK]

Got up to 91 rides tracked today. I am up to $61 that Lyft has shorted me over what the rate card says I should have been paid. Knowing they are doing this to every driver, that's a lot of money that they are stealing from us. Asked all my riders today how much they were charged, and Lyft kept over 60% total of the 8 rides. Far cry from the days when WE kept 80% of each fare.

 

[Illini]

LOL, you didn't really think that Lyft was going to pay you the same or more, did you??

 

[DMCK]

Not at all. They are shady af. Come a long way since the 2013 when we actually made money and they didn't screw us at every corner.
However, to speak to your comment directly, they actually advertise that you should not see any change in your income. Which in and of itself is a load of bs, I don't remotely trust either platform. As long as we continue driving and don't raise a national fuss, they will continue screwing us.

 

[kamelsf]

Not at all. They are shady af. Come a long way since the 2013 when we actually made money and they didn't screw us at every corner.
However, to speak to your comment directly, they actually advertise that you should not see any change in your income. Which in and of itself is a load of bs, I don't remotely trust either platform. As long as we continue driving and don't raise a national fuss, they will continue screwing us.

The real people to blame are regulators. They are the ones making the law. Will be curious to know how much lyft and uber donate to those guys.

 

[Daisey77]

I have only done two rides for Lyft all week. One of those rides resulted in the passenger telling me they were being charged $96 for the ride. They ask how much I would be paid of that. I quickly did the math and told them, I'll be lucky to get $36. They were shocked. I dropped them off and end the ride. I'll be damned . My payout was $35.75. They kept 60 ****ing dollars!

Rate cards have been eliminated with UFF... so what are you comparing it to? A historical rate card that doesn't exist anymore?

That's not true. Here, Lyft only has upfront pricing on basic lyft. So every other tier still operates on the old rate card

Not according to Dara.

Interview with Dara

There are only two markets in my state that operate off up front pricingpricing. the rest of the entire state still functions on the "old" rate card

Yes Lyft's Rate Card is still available. Even though they claim they are not used any more.
Is this even Legal ?

They absolutely still use it. Basic lyft is the only tier that operates on The Upfront Fare model here. Every other tier still operates off of the rate card

 

[Wild Bill Yahoo]

I have only done two rides for Lyft all week. One of those rides resulted in the passenger telling me they were being charged $96 for the ride. They ask how much I would be paid of that. I quickly did the math and told them, I'll be lucky to get $36. They were shocked. I dropped them off and end the ride. I'll be damned . My payout was $35.75. They kept 60 ****ing dollars!



That's not true. Here, Lyft only has upfront pricing on basic lyft. So every other tier still operates on the old rate card

There are only two markets in my state that operate off up front pricingpricing. the rest of the entire state still functions on the "old" rate card


They absolutely still use it. Basic lyft is the only tier that operates on The Upfront Fare model here. Every other tier still operates off of the rate card

Since I only drive Uber X and Basic Lyft... I forget about the other platforms lol.

 

[uber4eva]

The math is ridiculous. I’m getting requests that once I factor in the mileage are coming out to around $8 an hour. That doesn’t even touch tax liability. Nor does that take into account miles that will be driven after the fact, either to drive back home or before receiving and accepting another ride. We are talking literally negative rates if you give one ride then go home.

 

[Nats121]

So, while we don't know exactly what the riders are paying, unless we ask, Lyft is screwing us all. Out of the people I have asked, Lyft is taking 55-75% of each fare.

I started tracking "actual" versus "rate card" (which are still bs rates). Took out the bonus/surge rate and tips from the total paid for each ride, because you can't get an accurate figure with those in there.

Out of 83 rides so far Lyft has shorted me $42. This includes what I made above the rate card rates. While not a huge amount averaged per ride, you know they are doing this to every driver, which amounts to a lot over the course of a day.

Started looking for a W2 job. I can't keep going giving 15 rides/day, making $150/day and spending $40 of that on gas. While Lyft is charging riders 3-4 times what we are receiving.

In addition to setting the pay rates the govt needs to CAP the percentage of the gross revenue of each ride Uber and Lyft can grab. That's the only way to put a stop to this money-grabbing.

 

[DMCK]

In addition to setting the pay rates the govt needs to CAP the percentage of the gross revenue of each ride Uber and Lyft can grab. That's the only way to put a stop to this money-grabbing.

Until drivers start demanding change, it's never going to happen. In years past we tried to organize in Atlanta to protest, which happened with little success, because there were those that capitalized on the protest and continued driving hoping for surge. Unless and until we could get at least 80% of drivers to join in the fight, nothing is going to happen. It would need to be a centralized effort of everyone involved. Drivers don't go to their state and federal legislators to complain enough either.

I have been driving on and off for almost 9 years. Started back full time a few months ago, hoping I could make the money I was a few years ago. It's definitely not like it was. As soon as I find a full time position, I'm done. This upfront fare BS has changed the game for the worse.

 

[Nats121]

Until drivers start demanding change, it's never going to happen. In years past we tried to organize in Atlanta to protest, which happened with little success, because there were those that capitalized on the protest and continued driving hoping for surge. Unless and until we could get at least 80% of drivers to join in the fight, nothing is going to happen. It would need to be a centralized effort of everyone involved. Drivers don't go to their state and federal legislators to complain enough either.

I have been driving on and off for almost 9 years. Started back full time a few months ago, hoping I could make the money I was a few years ago. It's definitely not like it was. As soon as I find a full time position, I'm done. This upfront fare BS has changed the game for the worse.

You're never going to get enough drivers to disrupt the company. The good news is you don't need a lot of drivers to strike. All you need is to get the attention of the media and the politicians.

A small strike in 2019 in CA was a catalyst for AB5.

 

[uber4eva]

You're never going to get enough drivers to disrupt the company. The good news is you don't need a lot of drivers to strike. All you need is to get the attention of the media and the politicians.

A small strike in 2019 in CA was a catalyst for AB5

That’s why I won’t be participating in any of those stupid demonstrations. There will never be reform until we stop inviting 5 million new immigrants into the country every year who can’t do math and think because they make $2 a day back in Tegucigalpa that $7 for a 20 mile trip is lucrative. Lyft and Uber don’t need you because they have millions of indentured servants to do their dirty work for them and soon they won’t even need those guys. They will have driverless cars and pax will laugh while unemployed former Uber drivers who had their cars repossessed are ran over as pedestrians by the new autonomous fleet of cars taking them to their destination