[KeJorn]

Anyone ever have repeat issues with the balancing of their tires?
Bought 2 new tires to replace 2 worn. Now all 4 tires are the same brand/model of tire.
The other set has about 10,000 miles on them, but the tread looks almost new.

After having the 2 new tires installed (on the rear, while the other two were rotated to the front)... I went out to drive and whenever i hit speeds above 60mph, I could hear vibration (like a propeller sound) and feel slight vibration on the steering wheel. I ended my night of driving early as a result and took my car back in to Discount Tire, where they were installed. The re-balanced them for free, but confirmed all 4 tires were out of balance, despite having been installed and balanced the day prior. No possible explanation given.

After the re-balancing, I took the car on a test drive on the highway and everything sounded good.
Go out to drive that night... everything seems good for most of the night, then poof... propeller sound and vibration returns.

Based on what I have read thus far, the first thing I suspect are the weights not staying in place, which seems to support the observation: "it was working fine then went back out of balance in a matter of a few hundred miles, etc"

This suggests possible problems with the equipment at that specific store, the staff using it, or the process they use (maybe combination of all those issues). I intend to test this theory by going to a different store (same company) I have used in the past and never had issues with to see if their balancing efforts last. If that fails, I will try one last time, but this time with an entirely different company. Any suggestions which company to go to?

If that does not resolve the issue, other scenarios I have read about:

Wheel & Tire Runout: Sometime wheels will still shake and vibrate even after they have been carefully balanced. The problem is often excessive wheel runout or tire runout. Most tires should have less than .030 to .050 inch of runout. An out-of-round tire can produce harmonic vibrations that come and go at various speeds depending on how many "humps" are in the tire.

Runout problems can often be corrected by "match mounting" the tire on the wheel (rotating the tire so the tire high spot is over the rim low spot).

Radial force variation (RFV): This is the amount of change in stiffness of the sidewall and footprint when a load is placed against a tire. Subtle differences in the position of the cords and belts in a tire's construction can create stiff spots that make the tire roll unevenly. The stiff spots act like runout to cause vibrations at various speeds.

Some high end tire balancers (such as the GSP 9700 made by Hunter Engineering) have a large roller that can be placed against the tire to detect runout. If RFV is present, it shows the technician where it is and how to correct it. RFV can be countered by adding offsetting weights and/or rotating the tire on the rim. It also makes it easier to determine if a tire is responsible for a vibration problem or not.

Driveline or Powertrain:
If there is no runout problem, no RFV and the tire is accurately balanced, but the car still vibrates, the vibration is in the driveline or powertrain, not the wheels and tires.

Has anyone ever heard of: Counteract Balancing Beads? http://www.counteractbalancing.com/
Is this just a hyped up sales-pitch? Has anyone used them?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

 

[Amsoil Uber Connect]

One of the wheels came loose and they did not catch it when you went back ?

One of tires tread is separating ?

Not likely to be the balancing machine, cause it would be noticed right away. However Mars is extremely hot this time of year and the heat always use to f with the balancer we had.

Sounds like your owed a new wheel.

 

[William1964]

I had this happen once it was a flat spot on one of the tires

 

[Uberectile Dysfunction]

NEVER switch sides when you totate, specify you want front to back rotation. Your situation is different but I would have just waited another 5000 to rotate

 

[Uber Kraus]

This happened to me. Exact same thing...

Vibrating. Oscillation.

Had the tires balanced. Good for about a day. The presto, vibrating and oscillation sounds again.

One of the tires had worn improperly. Once replaced the car was smooth again. You very well may need an alignment.

 

[itsablackmarket]

Dang I completely forgot about balancing my tires. I haven't done it in 20k miles since I got my new tires. Should probably do it tomorrow, and get back to driving for peanuts for the greedy bullshit company.

As for your situation, I agree with the above poster. What else could cause that?

 

[Amsoil Uber Connect]

An alignment ? Nothing changed but tires.

 

[Another Uber Driver]

An alignment is a difficult thing to acquire. While there are many shops with the proper equipment to do the alignment, it is still difficult to get the aligment, alone. Once you go and ask for the alignment, suddenly your car needs between four hundred and one thousand five hundred dollars worth of front end work. The people who run these front end shops are nothing but crooks.

One thing that you might check is to see if the tyre is out-of-round. I have had this happen on more than one occasion. Tread-separation is another possibility. The last is something that happens over time. You do not notice it until you hear the THWAPPA-WAPPA-WAPPA-WAPPA and the tyre goes flat. Sometimes, you will get the warning from vibration, but not always.

This never was a big deal when the only tyres that they were selling here were made in Europe, Canada and the United States. It has become more of a problem since many tyre manufcaturers have moved production to China. Pay the money and get tyres made in the USA, Canada or Europe.

 

[Amsoil Uber Connect]

Plus !!! These cars are to new to need front end parts.

 

[Uberectile Dysfunction]

Plus !!! These cars are to new to need front end parts.

Unless its mopar, rubber is crap, ball joints, etc.....but ive always been un hot climate, doesnt help

 

[KGB7]

When mounting weights, the spot on the wheel should be cleaned so the weight doesnt fly off.

Torquing lug nuts to proper spec by hand in correct order is a must. Many shops just power torque your nuts with an air gun.

In some cases, a tire will have to be remounted and re-balanced.

Road Force Balancing is highly recommended.

 

[DesDriver]

Anyone ever have repeat issues with the balancing of their tires?
Bought 2 new tires to replace 2 worn. Now all 4 tires are the same brand/model of tire.
The other set has about 10,000 miles on them, but the tread looks almost new.

After having the 2 new tires installed (on the rear, while the other two were rotated to the front)... I went out to drive and whenever i hit speeds above 60mph, I could hear vibration (like a propeller sound) and feel slight vibration on the steering wheel. I ended my night of driving early as a result and took my car back in to Discount Tire, where they were installed. The re-balanced them for free, but confirmed all 4 tires were out of balance, despite having been installed and balanced the day prior. No possible explanation given.

After the re-balancing, I took the car on a test drive on the highway and everything sounded good.
Go out to drive that night... everything seems good for most of the night, then poof... propeller sound and vibration returns.

Based on what I have read thus far, the first thing I suspect are the weights not staying in place, which seems to support the observation: "it was working fine then went back out of balance in a matter of a few hundred miles, etc"

This suggests possible problems with the equipment at that specific store, the staff using it, or the process they use (maybe combination of all those issues). I intend to test this theory by going to a different store (same company) I have used in the past and never had issues with to see if their balancing efforts last. If that fails, I will try one last time, but this time with an entirely different company. Any suggestions which company to go to?

If that does not resolve the issue, other scenarios I have read about:

Wheel & Tire Runout: Sometime wheels will still shake and vibrate even after they have been carefully balanced. The problem is often excessive wheel runout or tire runout. Most tires should have less than .030 to .050 inch of runout. An out-of-round tire can produce harmonic vibrations that come and go at various speeds depending on how many "humps" are in the tire.

Runout problems can often be corrected by "match mounting" the tire on the wheel (rotating the tire so the tire high spot is over the rim low spot).

Radial force variation (RFV): This is the amount of change in stiffness of the sidewall and footprint when a load is placed against a tire. Subtle differences in the position of the cords and belts in a tire's construction can create stiff spots that make the tire roll unevenly. The stiff spots act like runout to cause vibrations at various speeds.

Some high end tire balancers (such as the GSP 9700 made by Hunter Engineering) have a large roller that can be placed against the tire to detect runout. If RFV is present, it shows the technician where it is and how to correct it. RFV can be countered by adding offsetting weights and/or rotating the tire on the rim. It also makes it easier to determine if a tire is responsible for a vibration problem or not.

Driveline or Powertrain:
If there is no runout problem, no RFV and the tire is accurately balanced, but the car still vibrates, the vibration is in the driveline or powertrain, not the wheels and tires.

Has anyone ever heard of: Counteract Balancing Beads? http://www.counteractbalancing.com/
Is this just a hyped up sales-pitch? Has anyone used them?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Unlikely, but possible...out of round. More likely...belt separation. More likely still... one or more of the wheel weights came off.

 

[KGB7]

the wheel weights came off.

Greasy fingers with greasy gloves while slapping on the weights. The glue on the double sided tape on wheel weights, dont like grease or oil.

 

[KeJorn]

However Mars is extremely hot this time of year and the heat always use to f with the balancer we had.

Damn Mars, sand gets in everything... and so many rocks... always messing up my tires.

 

[KGB7]

Damn Mars, sand gets in everything... and so many rocks... always messing up my tires.

Topless sun tanning on Mars is highly recommended by top 10 doctors.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

An alignment is a difficult thing to acquire. While there are many shops with the proper equipment to do the alignment, it is still difficult to get the aligment, alone. Once you go and ask for the alignment, suddenly your car needs between four hundred and one thousand five hundred dollars worth of front end work. The people who run these front end shops are nothing but crooks.

One thing that you might check is to see if the tyre is out-of-round. I have had this happen on more than one occasion. Tread-separation is another possibility. The last is something that happens over time. You do not notice it until you hear the THWAPPA-WAPPA-WAPPA-WAPPA and the tyre goes flat. Sometimes, you will get the warning from vibration, but not always.

This never was a big deal when the only tyres that they were selling here were made in Europe, Canada and the United States. It has become more of a problem since many tyre manufcaturers have moved production to China. Pay the money and get tyres made in the USA, Canada or Europe.

I don't know about other dealers but after I had someone run into me and push me into the car in front at a stop light I took my car to my Kia dealership and asked if they could check out that the damage had been repaired properly by the body shop. I also asked them to check the front end and alignment.

They did a courtesy alignment check and a visual inspection underneath the car and gave me a print out showing all the angles etc with what mine were and if they were within tolerances (they were). I think they usually do that before actually doing an alignment to see if it's even necessary.

Anyway, no charge and didn't try to sell me anything. So maybe check with a dealer and have them check the alignment/front end, especially if you bought the car there. They generally want to keep your business (I have bought 3 cars there to date).

 

[Desert Driver]

Do you know what happens when an Italian car gets a flat tire? Dego ***, ***, ***...

 

[Desert Driver]

Anyone ever have repeat issues with the balancing of their tires?
Bought 2 new tires to replace 2 worn. Now all 4 tires are the same brand/model of tire.
The other set has about 10,000 miles on them, but the tread looks almost new.

After having the 2 new tires installed (on the rear, while the other two were rotated to the front)... I went out to drive and whenever i hit speeds above 60mph, I could hear vibration (like a propeller sound) and feel slight vibration on the steering wheel. I ended my night of driving early as a result and took my car back in to Discount Tire, where they were installed. The re-balanced them for free, but confirmed all 4 tires were out of balance, despite having been installed and balanced the day prior. No possible explanation given.

After the re-balancing, I took the car on a test drive on the highway and everything sounded good.
Go out to drive that night... everything seems good for most of the night, then poof... propeller sound and vibration returns.

Based on what I have read thus far, the first thing I suspect are the weights not staying in place, which seems to support the observation: "it was working fine then went back out of balance in a matter of a few hundred miles, etc"

This suggests possible problems with the equipment at that specific store, the staff using it, or the process they use (maybe combination of all those issues). I intend to test this theory by going to a different store (same company) I have used in the past and never had issues with to see if their balancing efforts last. If that fails, I will try one last time, but this time with an entirely different company. Any suggestions which company to go to?

If that does not resolve the issue, other scenarios I have read about:

Wheel & Tire Runout: Sometime wheels will still shake and vibrate even after they have been carefully balanced. The problem is often excessive wheel runout or tire runout. Most tires should have less than .030 to .050 inch of runout. An out-of-round tire can produce harmonic vibrations that come and go at various speeds depending on how many "humps" are in the tire.

Runout problems can often be corrected by "match mounting" the tire on the wheel (rotating the tire so the tire high spot is over the rim low spot).

Radial force variation (RFV): This is the amount of change in stiffness of the sidewall and footprint when a load is placed against a tire. Subtle differences in the position of the cords and belts in a tire's construction can create stiff spots that make the tire roll unevenly. The stiff spots act like runout to cause vibrations at various speeds.

Some high end tire balancers (such as the GSP 9700 made by Hunter Engineering) have a large roller that can be placed against the tire to detect runout. If RFV is present, it shows the technician where it is and how to correct it. RFV can be countered by adding offsetting weights and/or rotating the tire on the rim. It also makes it easier to determine if a tire is responsible for a vibration problem or not.

Driveline or Powertrain:
If there is no runout problem, no RFV and the tire is accurately balanced, but the car still vibrates, the vibration is in the driveline or powertrain, not the wheels and tires.

Has anyone ever heard of: Counteract Balancing Beads? http://www.counteractbalancing.com/
Is this just a hyped up sales-pitch? Has anyone used them?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Sounds like you either have a failing tire or you're throwing wheel weights.

Just curious, do you have stock wheels or after-market wheels?

 

[Uber Kraus]

An alignment ? Nothing changed but tires.

In my case the reason for unbalanced where was because things weren't aligned properly. I don't know much about fixing cars and I'm only posting because I had the exact same thing happen to me…