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My best friend's sister works in New York and makes over $150k a year. Her boyfriend makes about 80k.
They both live in Jersey. She was putting me and her brother down all day for being cheap.
She has almost no savings because she loves fine dining, clothing, shoes, etc.
At the restaurant, I asked the table if tips to the waitresses should be pre tax. She said, no it should always be at least 25% of the POST tax total. She used to be a waitresses.
I disagreed, but still gave the waitresses a 25% of post tax total tip because she was getting on my case about being cheap.
I asked her how much she tipped her uber drivers. She said she's never tipped them even though she uses it a lot and all tupes of Uber. I told her that many of them make less than minimum wage after expenses.
She rolled her eyes like I was making it up and she said that you're not supposed to tip your uber driver just like you're not supposed to tip your mail man. BTW, she gave the taxi driver a big tip on the way back from the bar that night.
Even if you are getting tips sometimes, expect that to become rarer and rarer and then go away completely.
 

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I did tell her that she should tip them(especially UberX) because they sometimes make less than minimum wage. She's mostly taking Uber in NYC so she probably believes the lies that Uber Driver's make 90k of pure profit every year.
 

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I did tell her that she should tip them(especially UberX) because they sometimes make less than minimum wage. She's mostly taking Uber in NYC so she probably believes the lies that Uber Driver's make 90k of pure profit every year.
Okay cool, it's really just basic math, I best try to explain it like this

We only make a percentage of each fare (as Uber take their cut) and then we still have normal expenses such as gas, wear and tear, etc.

I take an easy example, say a $10 fare, and let them know Uber takes $1 for a SRF (Safe Rider Fee) they then take another 25% after the $1, so 75% of $9 which equals out to us taking $6.75 (if we are lucky, I know the percentages can go higher than 25% for smaller fares). Then we need to calculate the time it took to get to the customer, the time it took to drop them off, and the time we spent waiting for a call (so they don't think, Hey you drove me 10 min and made $5 that's pretty good, 6 of those in an hour and you made $30/hr, which is what people who don't understand the system will think).

So really, on a $10 far we take home $6.75 (less gas, so maybe less $1.75 at the least) so that's $5 on a $10 fare. If we snag two of those in an hour we are taking in $10 (less the wear and tear costs). So basically, about minimum wage. If we're lucky.
 

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Sometimes pax will ask how I've done during the night. I'll tell them the truth and they're usually shocked how little we make. This nonsensical advertising from Uber about how drivers "make $90k/year" influences the riders too.
 

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My best friend's sister works in New York and makes over $150k a year. Her boyfriend makes about 80k.
They both live in Jersey. She was putting me and her brother down all day for being cheap.
She has almost no savings because she loves fine dining, clothing, shoes, etc.
At the restaurant, I asked the table if tips to the waitresses should be pre tax. She said, no it should always be at least 25% of the POST tax total. She used to be a waitresses.
I disagreed, but still gave the waitresses a 25% of post tax total tip because she was getting on my case about being cheap.
I asked her how much she tipped her uber drivers. She said she's never tipped them even though she uses it a lot and all tupes of Uber. I told her that many of them make less than minimum wage after expenses.
She rolled her eyes like I was making it up and she said that you're not supposed to tip your uber driver just like you're not supposed to tip your mail man. BTW, she gave the taxi driver a big tip on the way back from the bar that night.
Even if you are getting tips sometimes, expect that to become rarer and rarer and then go away completely.
Whenever the subject of driver income comes up in my car (and it does a lot), I suggest that the passenger enroll as an UberX driver just to see how bogus the whole process is. I don't give them a referral code because I know that more drivers dilute my income more than the bonus is worth. Besides, most passengers aren't interested in driving but they might be willing to sit in front of their computer for about 20 minutes and see what happens.
In Chicago at least, UberX no longer requires photos of the car. PASSENGERS TEND TO FREAK OUT WHEN THEY HEAR THIS. The potential for identity fraud has also proved to be of some interest when the subject arises.
 

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Whenever the subject of driver income comes up in my car (and it does a lot), I suggest that the passenger enroll as an UberX driver just to see how bogus the whole process is. I don't give them a referral code because I know that more drivers dilute my income more than the bonus is worth. Besides, most passengers aren't interested in driving but they might be willing to sit in front of their computer for about 20 minutes and see what happens.
In Chicago at least, UberX no longer requires photos of the car. PASSENGERS TEND TO FREAK OUT WHEN THEY HEAR THIS. The potential for identity fraud has also proved to be of some interest when the subject arises.
But it still lists the make and model and license plate # right? And the driver's name?
 

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She sounds like a complete idiot. I would stop associating with her at once. Stand up for yourself and distance yourself from idiots like that.
 

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As I have stated many times before, pax consider uber drivers one of the two:

1) uber employees.
2) hobbyists.

In both instances tipping is not required.

Sorry.
 

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My best friend's sister works in New York and makes over $150k a year. Her boyfriend makes about 80k.
They both live in Jersey. She was putting me and her brother down all day for being cheap.
She has almost no savings because she loves fine dining, clothing, shoes, etc.
At the restaurant, I asked the table if tips to the waitresses should be pre tax. She said, no it should always be at least 25% of the POST tax total. She used to be a waitresses.
I disagreed, but still gave the waitresses a 25% of post tax total tip because she was getting on my case about being cheap.
I asked her how much she tipped her uber drivers. She said she's never tipped them even though she uses it a lot and all tupes of Uber. I told her that many of them make less than minimum wage after expenses.
She rolled her eyes like I was making it up and she said that you're not supposed to tip your uber driver just like you're not supposed to tip your mail man. BTW, she gave the taxi driver a big tip on the way back from the bar that night.
Even if you are getting tips sometimes, expect that to become rarer and rarer and then go away completely.
UBER has engrained that in the riders brains. UBER even tells riders its included. It is total joke and really hurt/ at times.
 

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Look, I don't want to chime in here like an *******, but I don't need anybody telling folks to tip me because I earn minimum wage- or tip the driver because he earns minimum wage- that's not the freaking point. I know that in other industries, aka waitresses, wages are deliberately set at a reduced rate & that the owners of the restaurants expect that the public will subsidize the waitresses wages- But this is not my deal-I'm not looking for a freaking hand out because I my wages are poor I earn $20/$30 per hour- however, I believe that in our American culture, tipping is a fundamental part of service work -Like it or not- this is culture that we created. I just believe that if they are tipping the damn cab drivers, and the doormen, and the Starbucks folks, and the hostesses, and the maids, that we, who By design provide superior service, are also entitled to the opportunity to earn a tip. I don't expect a tip, but if you tip those other folks, who earn "at least" minimum wage as a matter of law, then you should be tipping me because I just gave you the best damn service in the industry. Period! By the way, if you ask me how my days going, I'll tell ya, it's been pretty slow today, but the Tips Are Great! How bout you, how's your day goin? Tag your it!
 

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My best friend's sister works in New York and makes over $150k a year. Her boyfriend makes about 80k.
They both live in Jersey. She was putting me and her brother down all day for being cheap.
She has almost no savings because she loves fine dining, clothing, shoes, etc.
At the restaurant, I asked the table if tips to the waitresses should be pre tax. She said, no it should always be at least 25% of the POST tax total. She used to be a waitresses.
I disagreed, but still gave the waitresses a 25% of post tax total tip because she was getting on my case about being cheap.
I asked her how much she tipped her uber drivers. She said she's never tipped them even though she uses it a lot and all tupes of Uber. I told her that many of them make less than minimum wage after expenses.
She rolled her eyes like I was making it up and she said that you're not supposed to tip your uber driver just like you're not supposed to tip your mail man. BTW, she gave the taxi driver a big tip on the way back from the bar that night.
Even if you are getting tips sometimes, expect that to become rarer and rarer and then go away completely.
Remind her that what goes around comes around
 

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Some of the blame should be laid on the drivers who show off by greatly exaggerating. I had an uber driver tell me he had 18 rides in 2 hours on Tuesday night. Another claimed he took a pax from Los Angeles to Seattle and back. A third says he makes around 500 every day on x.
Some people are just so prideful and full of bullshit and it hurts the truthful drivers. I bet most of my pax think we all make 90k year when we are lucky to clear a nudge over minimum wage (after all costs). The thing I don't get is that pax are getting in a cleaner, more efficient vehicle for less money, and yet would tip a tax driver $5-$10+ every time, without question, yet when we use our own vehicles, and we are CHEAPER, we don't get any tip. I don't even know if Uber is to blame, or if people are just cheap.
 

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Some people are just so prideful and full of bullshit and it hurts the truthful drivers. I bet most of my pax think we all make 90k year when we are lucky to clear a nudge over minimum wage (after all costs). The thing I don't get is that pax are getting in a cleaner, more efficient vehicle for less money, and yet would tip a tax driver $5-$10+ every time, without question, yet when we use our own vehicles, and we are CHEAPER, we don't get any tip. I don't even know if Uber is to blame, or if people are just cheap.
Let me assure you, Uber is to blame. They told drivers not to accept tips when the rates were higher. I'm not sure if they still tell them that in the training video anymore. They're still finding every way to advise pax not to.
 

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Let me assure you, Uber is to blame. They told drivers not to accept tips when the rates were higher. I'm not sure if they still tell them that in the training video anymore. They're still finding every way to advise pax not to.
I know Uber has tried to do their part in getting pax to not tip, but truth be told, before I was a partner with Uber I would always tip my driver ($3-$5) and I also never heard about this "don't tip your Uber driver" notion until I became a partner.
 

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...She rolled her eyes like I was making it up and she said that you're not supposed to tip your uber driver just like you're not supposed to tip your mail man. BTW, she gave the taxi driver a big tip on the way back from the bar that night.
Even if you are getting tips sometimes, expect that to become rarer and rarer and then go away completely.
You are right, this does make me cry. My question is, how does a person this ignorant get a job that pays $150k per annum?
 

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My best friend's sister works in New York and makes over $150k a year. Her boyfriend makes about 80k.
They both live in Jersey. She was putting me and her brother down all day for being cheap.
She has almost no savings because she loves fine dining, clothing, shoes, etc.
At the restaurant, I asked the table if tips to the waitresses should be pre tax. She said, no it should always be at least 25% of the POST tax total. She used to be a waitresses.
I disagreed, but still gave the waitresses a 25% of post tax total tip because she was getting on my case about being cheap.
I asked her how much she tipped her uber drivers. She said she's never tipped them even though she uses it a lot and all tupes of Uber. I told her that many of them make less than minimum wage after expenses.
She rolled her eyes like I was making it up and she said that you're not supposed to tip your uber driver just like you're not supposed to tip your mail man. BTW, she gave the taxi driver a big tip on the way back from the bar that night.
Even if you are getting tips sometimes, expect that to become rarer and rarer and then go away completely.
The reason for no tipping is purely to protect the driver from robbery.
 

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The reason for no tipping is purely to protect the driver from robbery.
Explain this to me please. I fail to see how being able to add a tip on the app would contribute to robbery.

Oh and are you new? Because that's the ONLY way you would think for a second uber does ANYTHING in the interest of its "partners".

I see you ARE new! What a surprise!
 
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