[MikeAW2010]

Rideshare, retailers brace for tough U.S. independent contractor rule

After weeks of lobbying the White House on how gig workers should be treated, the rideshare, delivery and retail industries are bracing for a new rule that is likely to make it easier to classify them as employees, multiple sources say. A proposed rule from the Department of Labor, aimed at...

www.reuters.com

… I wonder what hidden agenda is behind this …

 

[UberBastid]

Rideshare, retailers brace for tough U.S. independent contractor rule

After weeks of lobbying the White House on how gig workers should be treated, the rideshare, delivery and retail industries are bracing for a new rule that is likely to make it easier to classify them as employees, multiple sources say. A proposed rule from the Department of Labor, aimed at...

www.reuters.com

… I wonder what hidden agenda is behind this …

To shut down as many privately held businesses as possible, hasten the fall of capitalism so that the socialists can take over.
It's been in the news the last ten years or so.

 

[MikeAW2010]

To shut down as many privately held businesses as possible, hasten the fall of capitalism so that the socialists can take over.
It's been in the news the last ten years or so.

What will happen to Uber drivers themselves?

 

[SinTaxERROR]

The biggest mistake in the employee/independent contractor debate is how these gig companies are allowing people to sign up as themselves… that is not as a corp or llc… force everyone to sign up with a corp or llc and then it is or becomes a business to business transaction that bypasses the employee aspect of all of this… jmo

 

[UberBastid]

What will happen to Uber drivers themselves?

If our government goes all in socialist?
Same thing that happened in Cuba, Venezuela.
Poverty, hunger, social unrest.

 

[AdoptedTwice]

Rideshare, retailers brace for tough U.S. independent contractor rule

After weeks of lobbying the White House on how gig workers should be treated, the rideshare, delivery and retail industries are bracing for a new rule that is likely to make it easier to classify them as employees, multiple sources say. A proposed rule from the Department of Labor, aimed at...

www.reuters.com

… I wonder what hidden agenda is behind this …

My guess is they don't like that we hardly pay any taxes. I love being an IC - it gives me freedom.

 

[AdoptedTwice]

The biggest mistake in the employee/independent contractor debate is how these gig companies are allowing people to sign up as themselves… that is not as a corp or llc… force everyone to sign up with a corp or llc and then it is or becomes a business to business transaction that bypasses the employee aspect of all of this… jmo

I'm willing.

 

[_Tron_]

Rideshare, retailers brace for tough U.S. independent contractor rule

After weeks of lobbying the White House on how gig workers should be treated, the rideshare, delivery and retail industries are bracing for a new rule that is likely to make it easier to classify them as employees, multiple sources say. A proposed rule from the Department of Labor, aimed at...

www.reuters.com

… I wonder what hidden agenda is behind this …

What will happen to Uber drivers themselves?

The agenda is that the labor unions own Joe Biden. Recall how Biden called in GM to praise CEO Mary Berra about leading the charge to electrify cars. Totally leaving out Tesla, the company that has done more to advance the EV than all other car companies combined. Furthermore, the first draft of what became the Inflation Reduction Act excluded Tesla from the new EV tax credits. Why?

Because Tesla is a non-union employer.

Once drivers become employees they are subject to unionization, and thus union dues, which expands the power of unions.

Employee status for rideshare drivers may look good on paper, but to make us employees will destroy the rideshare model and throw many drivers out of work.

 

[Stevie The magic Unicorn]

The agenda is that the labor unions own Joe Biden. Recall how Biden called in GM to praise CEO Mary Berra about leading the charge to electrify cars. Totally leaving out Tesla, the company that has done more to advance the EV than all other car companies combined. Furthermore, the first draft of what became the Inflation Reduction Act excluded Tesla from the new EV tax credits. Why?

Because Tesla is a non-union employer.

Once drivers become employees they are subject to unionization, and thus union dues, which expands the power of unions.

Employee status for rideshare drivers may look good on paper, but to make is employees will destroy the rideshare model and throw many drivers out of work.

Unions are a good thing for the bottom of the pyramid.


If a fry cook or a bag boy walked into their bosses office and asked for a 50c an hour raise they would get laughed out the door.


If the union to went to management and threatened a strike if they didn't get a cost of living adjustment they have the negotiating power to actually get a seat a table and discuss things, if not they can threaten a work stopage, something that might actually scare management.


However once you get far enough up the ladder that you yourself walking out the door is something that can impact your employer than your need for the union falls off.


Once you go far enough up the ladder being in a union is no longer nessisary at all.



But for something like uber, a union absolutely could be a huge help.


Monthly union dues would run a fraction of the amount we're getting ****ed by uber eavery day, let alone every month. It's generally a couple of hours of your wages per month in dues.

Some unions calculate it at 2.5 times your hourly wage.



Sure there will be some ****ing fat cat shitbags getting rich off our union dues but the difference could be extreme for a low level job like this.


Min wage (in an employee model) will after expenses run $20-29 per hour + tips (depending on your states min wage)

If it's a union job it could go a lot higher than min wage. Could be closer to $30 an hour WITH A COMPANY VEHICLE.


Fact of the matter is that uberX drivers arn't paying any federal taxes in many markets because the rates are so low, employee classification would push min wages up to $20 an hour. In my market it's $6-10 an hour. Not even joking, Min wage would over triple the wages paid.

 

[_Tron_]

Unions are a good thing for the bottom of the pyramid.


If a fry cook or a bag boy walked into their bosses office and asked for a 50c an hour raise they would get laughed out the door.


If the union to went to management and threatened a strike if they didn't get a cost of living adjustment they have the negotiating power to actually get a seat a table and discuss things, if not they can threaten a work stopage, something that might actually scare management.


However once you get far enough up the ladder that you yourself walking out the door is something that can impact your employer than your need for the union falls off.


Once you go far enough up the ladder being in a union is no longer nessisary at all.



But for something like uber, a union absolutely could be a huge help.


Monthly union dues would run a fraction of the amount we're getting ****ed by uber eavery day, let alone every month. It's generally a couple of hours of your wages per month in dues.

Some unions calculate it at 2.5 times your hourly wage.



Sure there will be some ****ing fat cat shitbags getting rich off our union dues but the difference could be extreme for a low level job like this.


Min wage (in an employee model) will after expenses run $20-29 per hour + tips (depending on your states min wage)

If it's a union job it could go a lot higher than min wage. Could be closer to $30 an hour WITH A COMPANY VEHICLE.


Fact of the matter is that uberX drivers arn't paying any federal taxes in many markets because the rates are so low, employee classification would push min wages up to $20 an hour. In my market it's $6-10 an hour. Not even joking, Min wage would over triple the wages paid.

You're Right.

But.

First, regardless of the benefits of unions, they don' have the right to own politicians in the way they own Biden. Politicians are supposed to be serving the needs of all the people. Not just those who are unionized.

Next, whoever has the power ultimately abuses it. Goes the same for companies or workers. Companies exploited workers to death in this country until finally workers were able to unionize. Later union wage demands drove the automakers to export the jobs overseas (and the unions wield undo power in other arenas, as in Biden example). The common denominator to both examples is greed.

Last, I worry that a money losing biz like Uber would be driven further into the ground by union demands. Then there would be no Uber or Lyft. That would be highly disruptive.

Having said all that, with Uber now apparently going nationwide with Upfront pricing we drivers HAVE to fight back. Either legislation that stops this extreme exploitation, or some type of collective bargaining structure like a union. At this point I would [reluctantly] vote YES for a union.

 

[WI_Hedgehog]

RideShare exists because it undercuts taxi service. Raising the price of RS basically puts RS out of business except in rural markets.

 

[efeeezable]

every state for almost 100 years has set and regulated taxicab rates for a reason

minimum per ride $10
minimum per mile $2
minimum per minute .40
transparent requests and receipts
cap of 10% max app can take from customer payment as a dispatch/connection/finders.... fee

taxicab drivers are to get 100% of

boom done with 20 year old cab rates 90% of people who wants a ride gets them instead of cancelled on 5 times & ignored by 20+ drivers all distracted in traffic, the poor losers who cant afford private drives go back to the bus, drivers get least minimum wage after costs on all rides...

wow a taxicab business how disruptive and innovative

this is not rocket science the only reason they wont spend the 5 minutes it takes to implement this means they all in on the scam

resolved
best


instead in a few months theyll be forced to let drivers set their own rates but with no minimum regulated by the states the brightest amongst up will set it at less han .60 a mile anyway and most drivers will still fail until these apps are regulated like the taxicabs they are, if they care about labor drivers are the ones who need the biggest cut lol

if an x driver took the toll, the road AND the app made more than the driver who drove 40 miles haha the airport even got 10% of what he'd net

thats a minimum 3 parasites getting a cut not to mention the taxes on each gallon of gas, then the app so 5 +entities all in some dude trying to make an honest livings pocket slurping up their cut for doing nothing but a 1 penny google maps api call

"tech company"

 

[NauticalWheeler]

I dropped off a labor organizer at a freight facility by the airport last night. Her energy was encouraging.

 

[Judge and Jury]

The biggest mistake in the employee/independent contractor debate is how these gig companies are allowing people to sign up as themselves… that is not as a corp or llc… force everyone to sign up with a corp or llc and then it is or becomes a business to business transaction that bypasses the employee aspect of all of this… jmo

Kinda expensive solution for part time drivers.

Also, the IRS recognizes Sole Proprietors as a legal business construct.

Sole Proprietors conduct business to business transactions.

 

[UberBastid]

I dropped off a labor organizer at a freight facility by the airport last night. Her energy was encouraging.

they get the best drugs

 

[MikeAW2010]

Would converting us into employees force us to work shifts and 8 Hr Days?

 

[AdoptedTwice]

Would converting us into employees force us to work shifts and 8 Hr Days?

Good question. I want to remain an IC!!! I love my freedom!!!

 

[UberBastid]

I love my freedom!!!

DeSantis in '24

 

[Invisible]

RideShare exists because it undercuts taxi service. Raising the price of RS basically puts RS out of business except in rural markets.

Rideshare is not even available in many rural markets though. And even when I drove, some pax told me that taxis were cheaper sometimes than U/L.

 

[Alan777]

Going union will only increase costs for the pax. This will drive the number of rides down. Also, if they force concessions on the rideshare companies, this will cause the companies to demand regular hours and no right to refuse rides. This is about Democrats getting kickbacks for their election funds from the union.

If these companies go Union, I'm out.