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Every passing day, I get more of the sinking feeling that the taxis are in painful, agonizing death spiral.

I don't get it myself, but the younger, partying types think Uber is the greatest thing since bread came sliced. Part of this, I am sure, is the rating system. A traditional cabbie won't put up with much crap, but I suspect the Ubers do.

The consumer public should be careful about what they wish for. If the taxi companies are put out of business, they will be at the mercy of possibly one single company with a monopoly on global ground transport. That should give almost anyone pregnant pause for thought.
 

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Every passing day, I get more of the sinking feeling that the taxis are in painful, agonizing death spiral.

I don't get it myself, but the younger, partying types think Uber is the greatest thing since bread came sliced. Part of this, I am sure, is the rating system. A traditional cabbie won't put up with much crap, but I suspect the Ubers do.

The consumer public should be careful about what they wish for. If the taxi companies are put out of business, they will be at the mercy of possibly one single company with a monopoly on global ground transport. That should give almost anyone pregnant pause for thought.
Especially if that company is Uber. But I really would in some perverted corner of my mind like to see that and watch these asshole pax when prices triple.
 

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My comment to above article.

"The city (Houston) sets per-mile rates and fees."

Wrong!

Uber sets the per-mile rate, which is currently 50% (for UberX) of what a cab costs. UberX drivers are paid 15¢ per-minute, 37.5% of the rate a cab charges. Uber sets the rates for my platform, UberX.

@Byron Minnick -- Corrections
"UberX is for fairs who have 5 or more people."

UberXL is for 5 - 7 riders. UberX can take only up to 4 riders. XL drivers will accept notifications for both X and XL requests for a driver.


"Houston is a large city with a decent public transportation system."

Houston has a decent bus system that generally does not extend beyond the inner loop. Houston Uber covers all of the suburbs of Houston stretching into the county north of Houston, and into the suburbs in three counties south of Houston all the way to Galveston.


". . . cities that impose registration fees on taxi drives, don't know how to address Uber drivers, . . ."

Houston knew how to address Uber drivers. If an Uber driver wants to pickup fares in the city of Houston or at the airports, they must go through the regulations Houston set and Uber objected to. The regulations include a drug test, a DOT physical, a warrant check, and fingerprinting for an FBI check.
Many drivers stay in the suburbs where the permit is not needed. These drivers are the ones who drive on Uber's poor background checks.

Houston is saturated with X drivers. Their ads bring in drivers who are un- or under-employed, as well as college students from the major universities and the many 2-year colleges in the services area.

My biggest negative (out of several) is a driver needs to purchase commercial insurance (PIP, Comprehensive, Commercial, etc) to cover their expenses in the event of an emergency. To date I have not found an Uber certificate of insurance that covers me beyond liability.

Yes. I am an UberX driver with a Houston Permit.
 

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My reply in above article to someone who thinks Uber is up front with leading vehicles . . .

Uber states in ads in my area "earn $35/hr." People are encouraged to lease by Uber reps who convince the potential leasee that he will be able to make the payments and more.
Houston Uber pays Xdrivers $1.10/mile. Compare that to a local cab that charges $4.75 for the first mile and $2.20 per mile for the second mile and beyond. The same cab company pays 40¢/ minute a as opposed to Uber's payment to Xdrivers of 15¢/minute.
 

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My reply in above article to someone who thinks Uber is up front with leading vehicles . . .

Uber states in ads in my area "earn $35/hr." People are encouraged to lease by Uber reps who convince the potential leasee that he will be able to make the payments and more.
Houston Uber pays Xdrivers $1.10/mile. Compare that to a local cab that charges $4.75 for the first mile and $2.20 per mile for the second mile and beyond. The same cab company pays 40¢/ minute a as opposed to Uber's payment to Xdrivers of 15¢/minute.
$.40 compared to Uber X of $.15/minute?

I could be wrong about this and I am too lazy to check my hunch, but I don't know of any taxi companies who charge both time and distance concurrently. It doesn't work that way in PA anyway. I am aware that with Uber, the two are charged concurrently. Maybe Houston/Texas taxis are different in that regard. All I know is my meter only switches to time when the car comes to a halt or maybe below something like 10 mph..... not sure, the idea is to keep the car moving.

Also, concerning the $4.75 for the first mile. It might be more accurate to say the the taxi company may divides a mile in say 1/7 or 1/6th increments. Say it it is by 1/7. The first 1/7th of a mile is the flag drop of say $2.40 and the rest, well the math isn't working out too nice, but the increments would be $.31 or .32 cents..... you get the gist. Unlike Uber, taxis rates are fixed to a posted schedule.

Uber's hourly rate promises are examples of complete fraud and deception. I often notice Uber drivers suggesting a sustainable rates would be set such that an Uber ride would cost right about 2/3 of a taxi ride. I'm not sure how that figure is achieved. Any taxi is driven almost 24/7 under ideal circumstances. Multiple drivers drive the car, in an ideal world, the car is only off the road to be worked on. The car is often bought used, many tai companies employ mechanics. When the car is done being used as a taxi, it is only fit for the crusher.

If you are an Uber driver, your math is different. You are likely to be driving a pretty fine car. The typical Uber driver wants to keep it pristine, it is even expected of you. You need to either do repairs yourself or pay someone else, that takes time. At some point, maintenance gets more expensive, before that happens, you should have long been thinking about how you will replace the current car and setting money aside.

Given the scale of operation, Uber is best kept casual, plus the high expectations, I can't see how one rate schedule could really meet everyone's needs (within X alone). If a driver is looking to drive long term, I couldn't imagine rates any less than a taxi's as being workable. I wouldn't even begin to guess, but hell, whatever the rate is, it's already 20-25% diminished by the time a driver gets paid.

Much needs sorting out.
 

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I think the time and distance charge concurrently only when the speed of the traditional taxi is 11 mph or less. I have never seen this in writing, so, at best, the time charge is left vague for both driver and passenger.

Anyway, comparing the Uber time charge to a taxi is apples/oranges, except in the sense that they are both usually money losers.

The drop of $4.75 seems like almost double what I have heard any cabbie ever report.
 

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I think the time and distance charge concurrently only when the speed of the traditional taxi is 11 mph or less. I have never seen this in writing, so, at best, the time charge is left vague for both driver and passenger.

Anyway, comparing the Uber time charge to a taxi is apples/oranges, except in the sense that they are both usually money losers.

The drop of $4.75 seems like almost double what I have heard any cabbie ever report.
Off a local company's website (and shot of the first page):
http://lonestarcab.com/fare-information/

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Off a local company's website (and shot of the first page):
http://lonestarcab.com/fare-information/

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The $24/hr wait time is what is in question. I am almost sure, but can't prove it, that for traditional cabbies it only kicks in when one is traveling 11mph or less. With Uber it is going on no matter what the speed.

As a cabbie, I have always gone by the motto "I want this arse out of here as soon as possible". I have never seen wait time as profitable or enjoyable. Well, only in a handful of situations.
 

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The $24/hr wait time is what is in question. I am almost sure, but can't prove it, that for traditional cabbies it only kicks in when one is traveling 11mph or less. With Uber it is going on no matter what the speed.

As a cabbie, I have always gone by the motto "I want this arse out of here as soon as possible". I have never seen wait time as profitable or enjoyable. Well, only in a handful of situations.
I think you are correct. Otherwise the website would be misleading call I g it "wait" time. It would simply be "time".

However the issue with time (wait or concurrent) being 15 cents per minute for uber is that waiting or being in a drive thru or traffic stopped is less than minimum wage. And even tacked on as concurrent with the miles it doesn't help much as even an entire hour at 60 mph it only adds 15 cents per mile to the fare. If you're driving 1 mph well then it adds a lot more but you are STILL less than minimum wage using even just gas expense.
 

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I think you are correct. Otherwise the website would be misleading call I g it "wait" time. It would simply be "time".

However the issue with time (wait or concurrent) being 15 cents per minute for uber is that waiting or being in a drive thru or traffic stopped is less than minimum wage. And even tacked on as concurrent with the miles it doesn't help much as even an entire hour at 60 mph it only adds 15 cents per mile to the fare. If you're driving 1 mph well then it adds a lot more but you are STILL less than minimum wage using even just gas expense.
If I was an Uber, needed cash, and passenger wasn't extremely annoying, I would have an incentive to get them in a horrific traffic jam when it is surging.

I hate traffic and like being in motion.
 

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Huberis said:
If you are an Uber driver, your math is different. . . Much needs sorting out.
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For the first 1/11 mile . . . $2.75
Every 1/11 mile up to 1 mile . . . 20¢

Total for first mile = $4.75

Source: http://www.unitedcab.com/Fare_info.aspx

Apology accepted. :)

PS. Yes, I AM (not "if") an UberX driver.
 

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Taxi
For the first 1/11 mile . . . $2.75
Every 1/11 mile up to 1 mile . . . 20¢

Total for first mile = $4.75

Source: http://www.unitedcab.com/Fare_info.aspx

Apology accepted. :)

PS. Yes, I AM (not "if") an UberX driver.
I misunderstood you because to my knowledge cabbies don't use that total for first mile calculation that you do. I thought you were saying the "drop" was $4.75. It is 2.75.
 

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The $24/hr wait time is what is in question. I am almost sure, but can't prove it, that for traditional cabbies it only kicks in when one is traveling 11mph or less. With Uber it is going on no matter what the speed.

As a cabbie, I have always gone by the motto "I want this arse out of here as soon as possible". I have never seen wait time as profitable or enjoyable. Well, only in a handful of situations.
Correct, waiting , especially during a profitable time, is a waste of time. Moving is almost always better unless a large amount of money is offered.
 
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