Tired of getting ride requests and when you get there they have kids but no car seats. Then they get pissed because I won't give you and your baby a ride without a carseat...
I couldn't disagree more with this comment. I think it's reckless advice.Carry a booster seat, takes care of all your questions
Infants must be in an infant carseat though
So, if you provide a car seat, are you also going to:
Here is the section of the law which excludes "for hire" vehicles:Minnesota's Child Passenger Restraint Law
Minnesota Statute 169.685, Subd. 5
- Minnesota Law: A child who is both under age 8 and shorter than 4 feet 9 inches is required to be fastened in a child safety seat that meets federal safety standards. Under this law, a child cannot use a seat belt alone until they are age 8, or 4 feet 9 inches tall. It is recommended to keep a child in a booster based on their height rather than their age. (Check the instruction book or label of the child safety seat to be sure it is the right seat for your child's weight and height.)
- Safety seats must be installed and used according to the manufacturer's instructions.
- Child must be secured (buckled) in the safety seat.
- Seat must be secured to the vehicle.
- Infants (under 20 pounds and one year of age) must be in a rear-facing safety seat.
- Law applies to all motor vehicles originally built with factory-installed seat belts.
- Law applies to all seating positions - everybody, every seat, every time.
- Driver is responsible.
- Petty misdemeanor fine for violation is $50 (may be waived if violator shows proof of obtaining a safety seat within 14 days).
- Applies to both residents and non-residents of Minnesota.
- Suspected non-use is a valid basis to stop a motor vehicle.
Child Safety Seat Guidelines (brochure)
Source: Minnesota Department of Public Safety, Office of Traffic Safety
- When a child reaches age 4, if they still fit properly in their child car seat, keep using it until your child reaches the seat's upper limit for height and weight.
- If your child is eight years old but shorter than 4'9", continue to use the booster seat.
- Children under the age of 13 should sit in the back seat of a vehicle.
- Put any loose objects in the trunk or secure them. In a crash, loose items can strike with great force and cause serious injury.
I didn't read anywhere in the statute where a "for hire" driver is protected from a lawsuit involving the death or injury of an unsecured child. Did I miss that part?Here is the section of the law which excludes "for hire" vehicles:
(a) This section does not apply to:
(1) a person transporting a child in an emergency medical vehicle while in the performance of official duties and when the physical or medical needs of the child make the use of a child passenger restraint system unreasonable or when a child passenger restraint system is not available;
(2) a peace officer transporting a child while in the performance of official duties and when a child passenger restraint system is not available, provided that a seat belt must be substituted;
(3) a person while operating a motor vehicle for hire, including a taxi, airport limousine, and bus, but excluding a rented, leased, or borrowed motor vehicle; and
(4) a person while operating a school bus that has a gross vehicle weight rating of greater than 10,000 pounds.
Here is the definition of "for hire" from the statutes:
Subd. 14.For hire.
"For hire" means for remuneration or compensation of any kind promised, paid, or given to or received by a person for the transportation of persons or property on the highways,
Lyft is very clear on the issue. This is the canned response I get from Lyft whenever I report pax with no car seats...At the same time I wasn't able to find anything regarding this issue.
Like news articles or uber drivers being sued
I will continue to write to uber support and see maybe I'll sone response from them.
As I'm waiting for their response please
disregard my advice.
Regrettably the legal requirement in Minnesota is none required in a for hire vehicle...........
As a friendly reminder, Lyft recommends that passengers provide car seats for their children. For more info on this,
read Policies for Uses of Lyft at our Help Center."
We're happy to give kids a ride as well as adults as long as your children have the proper car seats that fit legal requirements in your state and city. Plan on providing your own car seat for children that require one.
I think you misunderstand me. I am not saying that children should not be in car seats. I am only pointing out what the law is.I didn't read anywhere in the statute where a "for hire" driver is protected from a lawsuit involving the death or injury of an unsecured child. Did I miss that part?
"Car crashes are the leading cause of death for children older than 3 in the U.S. and cause another 179,000 child injuries each year. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, child safety seats cut death risk by 71 percent for infant passengers and 54 percent for toddlers between the ages of 1 and 4 - if they are used properly."
I don't think I ever said it was illegal. If I did, I apologize for being unclear and/or incorrect. I've been talking about liability from the outset of this thread. So I do think we're talking about different things. This is how I see it:Regrettably the legal requirement in Minnesota is none required in a for hire vehicle.
I think you misunderstand me. I am not saying that children should not be in car seats. I am only pointing out what the law is.
You started out by claiming the seats were required by law. They are not. Then you say children should be in car seats. I agree and always have.