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Report: Uber Getting Out Of The Car Leasing Business After Losing $9K Per Car

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#1 ·
A few years back, Uber had an idea for how to attract more drivers to the ride-hailing service: Lease cars to people who either don't have cars or whose personal vehicles don't meet Uber's standards. But not only has the program been criticized by some drivers who say the monthly payments are too high, it's also apparently been a big money-loser for Uber, which is now reportedly looking to get out of the leasing business in the U.S.

Uber launched its Xchange Leasing program in 2015, offering new and used cars directly to drivers who use the company's ride-hailing platform. The hope was that it would allow people - particularly recent immigrants or lower-income Americans who have no or bad credit - access to vehicles they could use on the job.

Soon after it launched, critics of the leasing program accused Uber of taking advantage of these drivers - who are, as Uber will politely remind any reporter who dares say otherwise, not employees of the company - by charging them rates far above the typical leasing prices for similar vehicles. Some drivers said their total lease cost is about double the retail price for their car. Uber countered this criticism by pointing out that it has a rather forgiving return program for leased vehicles, allowing drivers to get out of their lease obligation comparatively cheaply.

In the years since launching Xchange Leasing, Uber has made changes to the way it compensates drivers and some have claimed that they were either unable to afford to keep up with payments or had to significantly increase the hours they worked just to keep up.

These changes appear to be one of the underlying issues in the notorious caught-on-camera argument between an Uber driver and Uber co-founder Travis Kalanick. That spat, in which Kalanick declared that "Some people don't like to take responsibility for their own shit… They blame everything in their life on somebody else," is one of a handful of events that ultimately led to the former CEO's ouster in June 2017.

Now, on top of all the bad publicity Uber has received for the leasing program, a Wall Street Journal report claims that the company was losing gobs of money on Xchange Leasing; and by "gobs" we mean "18 times what they thought" they would lose, according to the Journal.

Sources tell WSJ that Uber never intended to make a profit on the leases, and that it had in fact been projecting acceptable losses of about $500 per vehicle; not a bad price to pay if each of those cars makes up for it in additional revenue from passengers.

But the truth, per the Journal's sources, is that Uber was losing around $9,000 per vehicle, or about half the MSRP of the average car. That's an awful lot of rides to the train station.

Why is Uber bleeding so much money on this program? It looks like the company is simultaneously charging too much while being too generous about returns.

First off, these leased cars are going to get a lot of wear and tear because of all the miles put on them and all the passengers hopping in and out all hours of the day.

Then you have the apparently exorbitant lease payments. The Journal cites the example of a 2014 Toyota that Uber is currently offering for lease at around $500/month. That same car is available at a dealership for around $150/month. In order to make those larger lease payments to Uber, a driver needs to put in more work, which adds more miles to every part of the vehicle. Even if that car is leased for the full term of the contract, it's likely going to be worth a lot less on the resale market than it a similarly leased vehicle that did not pick up dozens of passengers (some of whom may be prone to making a mess) each day.

Uber also allowed drivers to turn in their leased vehicles and end payments early. Under a normal lease, that could result in significant penalties, but Uber only keeps the driver's original $250 deposit. Given the rapid turnover of drivers who either sour on the job or jump ship to the competition, this can saddle Uber with cars that are now worth much less than when originally leased.

The company hasn't announced the end of the program, nor has it decided internally how to actually cease the leasing. It could sell off its remaining inventory and turn the ongoing leases over to someone else to handle. Toyota and GM already offer separate leasing programs to Uber drivers.

Uber's leasing program in Singapore is currently being criticized for allegedly leasing unsafe, recalled vehicles to drivers there. The company claims that it has "introduced robust protocols and hired three dedicated experts in-house… whose sole job is to ensure we are fully responsive to safety recalls."
 
#2 · (Edited)
Oopsber is just reaping what they've sown. Time for them to be bitten long, hard, and frequently in the hind quarters for awhile!
 
#5 ·
They were willing to take a loss on their leasing division knowing that they could get it back with the driver's commissions. They vastly underestimated how much of a loss it would be. Xchange was never intended to be profitable on its own to begin with.
 
#7 ·
I see so many ants driving brand spanking new cars to do UberX in NJ and always mystified me on how a person would be able to get such a car to drive at these rates. :eek: I knew that someone was losing money in that deal. Looks like Uber was the one taking the hit as drivers quickly learned that Ubering as a full time job is absolutely stupid and gave back their cars if they were smart enough. Leasing is just a fancy name for a long term rental car.
 
#8 ·
The only way for Uber to make money is to have the drivers finance everything for themselves. They literally have no expenses. Let's see.... the driver app itself? Most apps are free on android or iOS. And let's see... the crummy insurance that uber provides? James river? And the drivers are paying 4 cents a mile for garbage. Lol so Uber literally has no expenses.
 
#9 · (Edited)
Even with the ridiculous prices they charge it's still not enough.

Ant leases 3 year old Sonata with 50k miles for $900 a month. Asset value at inception $14k.

Ant drives 1 year before he realizes he's not making shit. Gives back the car. Now it has 150k and has lots of deferred maintenance.

Asset value when fixed up, $5k. Cost to fix it - $2500. Cost of free tires, brakes, and oil changes over the last year ant drove it - $2500 more. Cost to sell it $1000. Ant paid $11k. Total loss to uber on this deal is $5000.

It's worse if he's smarter than the average ant and turns the car in earlier as the depreciation hits harder earlier in the term. If it only takes the ant 6 months and 50k to realize he's getting raped, he turns in a car worth $ 7000 and only paid $5500. Instead of only losing $5000, they lost $7000.

Lesson: If you're gonna uber, do it in the cheapest POS that qualifies. And pay cash for it.

Lesson for uber. You can't subsidize your unsustainable pricing and business model with newer cars. You either need to raise prices or lease older more weathered and depreciated cars at the same rates. Xchanges numbers might work with $5000 cars for $900 a month.
 
#14 ·
Lesson: If you're gonna uber, do it in the cheapest POS that qualifies. And pay cash for it.
Variation on theme: If you're gonna uber, in the summer at the shore, find a low mileage (80K-120K) 2003-2007 minivan or SUV that needs minimal maintenance, which you can then resell 20K later miles for within $1,000 of what you paid for it.

And pay cash.
 
#12 ·
By the time we got into Tulsa Town, we had eighty-five trucks in all.
But they's a roadblock up on the cloverleaf, and them bears was wall-to-wall.
Yeah, them smokies is thick as bugs on a bumper, they even had a bear in the air!
I says, "Callin' all trucks, this here's the Duck.
"We about to go a-huntin' bear."
 
#21 ·
Perhaps Xchange could have lost less if they charged a higher rent. And drivers would have been able to pay that higher rent if we had Jersey shore rates nationwide.
This is a good thing for us drivers. Fewer new ants on the road who get conned into a lease. And those ants tend to drive a lot because they need to make the lease payments.
It was intended to make it easier for new drivers to join with bad credit. Some people joined because they needed a car and couldn't finance one otherwise.
 
#26 ·
If you think Uber has no expenses... SKOS
Well I mean they have SOME expenses. Their office staff and lovely green light locations which accomplish nothing. I know they're burning through cash but I'm having difficulty figuring out why. I mean, besides the checkr report what are they spending on their drivers? As far as I'm concerned, I have to maintain my own vehicle and I'm fully responsible for transporting passengers from point a to b. Last time I checked, uber isn't paying for my tires. So what are they paying for?
 
#27 ·
Subsidizing riders to get them to ride more, subsidizing drivers to get them to drive in places where it makes no economic sense so pax can get a car (and cheap af too) & subsidizing cars to get drivers who can't afford a car and should be flipping burgers instead behind the wheel to add to their overabundant supply.

That last part also kills 2 birds with one stone because those drivers are desperate and forced to drive in places that don't make sense at times that don't make sense. Places like Newark, JC, and Central Philadelphia where nobody goes anywhere and the trips take forever for minimum fare. Coincidentally, that's where most of the rides come from and they're the highest margin ones for Uber, while simultaneously being the lowest margin ones for its drivers.

For Uber, It's all about raising market share. It raises hype, which maximizes the share price at IPO thus maximizing the return to current investors. Nothing trades on fundamentals in the stock world anymore. If it did, uber would change their strategy to become a profitable business. Hype and bullshit is how companies are valued these days. It's like tulip mania all over again.