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Now we have to take service dogs or be deactivated if complaint

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Settlement today. Is this only blind people or service dogs for any disability?

People buy the service dog vest and patches on eBay so they can take their dog everywhere. People even buy this for pitbulls and are not service dogs. It's against the law to ask for proof or the disibility.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/uber-714305-blind-service.html
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I read this entire thread and quite astonished at many of the posts. Before I respond further you should know I am both a driver for Lyft and Uber and often a pax; and I require the assistance of a service dog. Yes I drive with my dog. Prior to giving my first ride I informed both Lyft and Uber I drive with service dog. Uber was indifferent, Lyft was very supportive. I don't call the pax first because often I get one ping after another. However when I arrive, I immediately inform the pax I have a service dog and if they have an issue I inform them I will cancel the ride so they don't get charged. Lyft informed me to let them know if I had to cancel due to my service dog and they will remove it from my record. Uber will not.

When I'm a pax she goes with me. Every single time I request a ride, I call the driver first and ask them if I can bring my dog, and give them the option to opt out, I even tell them I'm willing to cancel the request so they don't get dinged. I also don't even mention it's a service dog. I do this because I'm sensitive of others. I realize some people don't like dogs, they are allergic to them, or frightened of them. I don't want to trample on their rights although legally those are not legitimate reasons to refuse someone with a service dog access.

I'm not blind so it's not obvious why I need a service dog. My dog is a little white Westie who doesn't wear a vest because I don't feel the need to advertise I need a service dog. However, she is specially trained to assist me in a medical emergency. We do our best to respect others and only ask in return you respect us.

What I found most upsetting reading your posts, is the judgements of many of you while most of the posts are based on speculation. Which leads me to ask the following
questions:

LA Dispatcher, you seem the most judgemental of them all.
I find many people with service dogs as the worst people on this planet. They ruin it for the truly disabled.
LA Dispatcher - how many times have you picked up a pax with a service dog? According to you, if someone has a service dog they are not disabled. Where is your proof?

So anyone can get away with this if they know what to say? Is there a correct answer for #2?
Yes, unfortunately for you the ADA protects people with disabilities and Will have the correct answer for question #2. Based on this statement I suspect you really don't have any specific experience with someone who needs a service dog but without even knowing us we are the worst people in the world.

I dislike phony service dog owners, the dogs have nothing to do with it.
Ever met a phooey service dog owner? What did they do to you to trample over your rights?

I have a bag of dog pampers in my trunk just in case,but let's be clear about something, as Uber has stated many times,we as drivers DO NOT WORK for Uber, we are independent contractors, and as such I am the President and Owner of my company and I am the one that pick the jobs I want to do and not Uber, my car isn't a Taxi, Bus or Limo, it is my car, the one I use to transport my little daughter around as well so if you bring a big ass dog and I think that is too much for my Prius it is my call, my car, my company. You are welcome to send and email complaining to my company [email protected] ;)
Uruber how many service dogs have you picked up? Not all service dogs are 40lbs. Mine is only 17lbs. She is also one of the breeds that are hypoallergenic and don't shed.

Be careful, you might not get a complaint emailed to you, but one filed against you and uber with the ADA. You also might be served a complaint as well. People like me are sick and tired of the judgements and condemnation by people like you. Are you willing to cough up the money for attorney fees?

I do agree that a lot of companion animals out ther arent legit service animals
Calhiker - how do you know this to be true? How often have you personally experienced this? Were you harmed in any way?

I'll do the inspections.
Fluffy white dog, drinking an iced frappuccino, on 4th and Broadway in Santa Monica..? Result: fail. :cool:
Cres i have a little fluffy dog, while she wouldn't be drinking an iced frappuccino I could be. So according to your judgement I fail. Without so much as asking me two simple questions.

A couple days ago I had request from Nail Salon, young girl came out with a small dog, and dog was jumping around and she didn't look like blind...I said I don't take animals, she said its a service dog, I said no, its not a service dog....I canceled...If I see person does not look like blind I will never take them, i'm not gonna be ask them demonstrate some trick... i can also say i'm allergic, will uber ask me doctor's prescription? The best way should be if all disability with animals or not will request Access, and there be no question....but in uberX it's difficult to identify who really has service animal. If i know rider is a really blind i should take them for free.
Mike78 service dogs assist people other than the blind. Often, such in my case they are trained to perform life saving tasks.

Other than on airplanes (i believe), emotional support dogs don't have the same rights as service dogs. If someone has an emotional support animal, you don't have to take them in your car if you choose not to. The laws only apply to service dogs.
EcoboostMKS, I want to thank you as it seems you are one of the more respectful and knowledgable people posting on this thread. However, your statement about ESA is incorrect. While the ADA laws do not provide the same rights as service dogs; many states and/or local ordinances do grant ESA the same rights.

Dogs can bite. I don't know how a strangers dog is around other strangers. Could be someone who picked it up at the pound a week earlier and bought a vest claiming it's a service dog because no one to watch it at home. I don't trust anyone's word.
Whiteorchids yes dogs bite. And it's awful you had to experience such an ordeal. But paxs can also get violent. Last Friday I had a pax in the backseat call me the c word that rhymes with runt, punch the passenger seat, then punch his friend sitting up front, then grab me. Thankfully I wasn't injured and drove away scared out of mind and a $10 tip.

I've taken two riders with pets during my short time driving. Both called after I accepted to verify I would accept them, both had towels to put over the carpet and seat (even though I had some in the back), both behaved perfectly during the ride, and both riders tipped at the end.

I told myself that if a pet became unruly or did any damage to my car, I would just pull over, ask them to get out, 1 star them with an explanation and pictures for proof. Uber protects those riders who qualify under the ADA rules, and that's fair. If you don't want to follow ADA rules, take your chances with any and all punishments that go along with that decision.

However, I expect Uber to cover damages from a rider's dog in the same fashion as if the rider caused the damage.
UberWhenICan - thank you for sharing. It appears you are the only one who posted about your actual experience with a dog. (If someone else did, sorry for the oversight). You have an awesome perspective on paxs with dogs. I agree with you that uber should cover damages caused by a dog no differently than damage caused by a pax.
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The key word is "EMPLOYEES" ---> which we are not.

1099 independent contractors should be given the right to accept or decline all and any passengers.
Just because you own the store (or the car) doesn't mean you get to decide to whom you can refuse service. If it worked that way we'd still have segregation.
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Unfortunately, not all dogs are that way. I have 2 dogs and consider myself an animal ambassador. I don't do things to impose my pets on other people. Again, unfortunately not all people are that way.
Service dogs are not pets being "imposed on" someone.
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Just because you own the store (or the car) doesn't mean you get to decide to whom you can refuse service. If it worked that way we'd still have segregation.
False, segregation was mandated by law. People who engage in discrimination will be out of business since few people will support them.
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LA Dispatcher[/USER], you seem the most judgemental of them all.

LA Dispatcher - how many times have you picked up a pax with a service dog? According to you, if someone has a service dog they are not disabled. Where is your proof?

Yes, unfortunately for you the ADA protects people with disabilities and Will have the correct answer for question #2. Based on this statement I suspect you really don't have any specific experience with someone who needs a service dog but without even knowing us we are the worst people in the world.

Ever met a phooey service dog owner? What did they do to you to trample over your rights?
Stop being so disingenuous, I already answered your question on another thread about this topic. Let me give you my reply again. "I said most not all. I don't have a problem with people who are truly disabled riding in my vehicle with their dog. Many take advantage of the system because no one will question them. There is nothing wrong with having legitimate concerns of fraud. You know very well that these shenanigans occur frequently and drivers or riders shouldn't have to put up with these frauds." Like I said before, many of these "service dog" owners are the worst people on this planet. Sometimes it seems like they're part of a cult.
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False, segregation was mandated by law. People who engage in discrimination will be out of business since few people will support them.
Local law, not federal. And when federal law overrode those local laws plenty of white business owners were not happy and used the argument that it was THEIR business and they didn't have to serve "********" if they didn't want to. Only the law forcing them to is what changed things.

Anyway, the point is that it doesn't matter if you're an employee or the owner, you can't (legally) discriminate because the pax has a service animal.

Oh and your second point? BS. Plenty of people eat at Chic Filet and those folks would love to ban all LGBT people from the premises.
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Local law, not federal. And when federal law overrode those local laws plenty of white business owners were not happy and used the argument that it was THEIR business and they didn't have to serve "********" if they didn't want to. Only the law forcing them to is what changed things.

Anyway, the point is that it doesn't matter if you're an employee or the owner, you can't (legally) discriminate because the pax has a service animal.
I agree, they were horrible people. But it doesn't change the fact that they have the right to free speech and freedom of association. No one wants to discriminate against a service animal, they just want to verify that the animal is a legitimate service animal. There is a fine line on this issue for me. I just want more clarity on this issue, instead of submitting to a entitled narcissist.
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I agree, they were horrible people. But it doesn't change the fact that they have the right to free speech and freedom of association.
What does that have to do with who they allow in their business? They are free to say they don't want to serve certain groups, so long as they do it.

What is not horrible about discriminating against those who need a service animal so they can do the things most people take for granted?
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I love dogs anyway, and as long as the dog's 'task' isn't to have projectile diarrhea in the car.... I'm ok with it.
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What does that have to do with who they allow in their business? They are free to say they don't want to serve certain groups, so long as they do it.

What is not horrible about discriminating against those who need a service animal so they can do the things most people take for granted?
It is horrible if they are legitimate service dog owners, but drivers are not allowed to ask questions to verify. I still don't think the law should punish bigots just because someone gets offended.
It is horrible if they are legitimate service dog owners, but drivers are not allowed to ask questions to verify. I still don't think the law should punish bigots just because someone gets offended.
Punishing them how? I'm not following how this is related. Are you meaning forcing them to serve people they don't want to is punishing them?
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Punishing them how? I'm not following how this is related. Are you meaning forcing them to serve people they don't want to is punishing them?
Don't punish drivers who might not be comfortable with a strange dog in their vehicle. Everyone has their reasons and not everything is discrimination.
Don't punish drivers who might not be comfortable with a strange dog in their vehicle. Everyone has their reasons and not everything is discrimination.
You do realise "not comfortable" is the exact wording white men often used (when they were being polite) to describe how they felt having a black man eating in the same restaurant as their wives. The wives also said that.
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You do realise "not comfortable" is the exact wording white men often used (when they were being polite) to describe how they felt having a black man eating in the same restaurant as their wives. The wives also said that.
You keep beating that straw man. I guess Hitler was also "not comfortable" with a certain group of people.
Settlement today. Is this only blind people or service dogs for any disability?

People buy the service dog vest and patches on eBay so they can take their dog everywhere. People even buy this for pitbulls and are not service dogs. It's against the law to ask for proof or the disibility.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/uber-714305-blind-service.html
Why you gotta single out pit bulls? They are an incredibly smart breed and easily trainable.
Settlement today. Is this only blind people or service dogs for any disability?

People buy the service dog vest and patches on eBay so they can take their dog everywhere. People even buy this for pitbulls and are not service dogs. It's against the law to ask for proof or the disibility.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/uber-714305-blind-service.html
why you gotta hate on pits? Pit bull's are extremely intelligent and easy to train. Any breed can be a service dog. It is more dependent on the individual dogs disposition than breed.
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Cres i have a little fluffy dog, while she wouldn't be drinking an iced frappuccino I could be. So according to your judgement I fail. Without so much as asking me two simple questions.
Not necessarily. I have never denied service to anyone who has required assistance entering my vehicle, service animal or not. If anything, my behavior has been quite the opposite. I have carried bags to the passenger's door, informed relatives they've arrived, taken apart walkers, etc. I have taken the time out of my day to care, even though it's not my job. I am not being compensated for that time. A few days ago, I walked this older woman to her doctor's appointment on the 5th floor.

I made a joke which was more about the type of rich people I've encountered in Beverly Hills and Santa Monica.
People who think that:
1. They can bring a frappuccino into my car. Nobody drinks a frappuccino in my car.
2. Figure they'll go for a walk to the beach with their pet. Think it's okay to call an uber for the 3 block trip home.

As I said, these have been my experiences on the westside.

Now, let me clarify something. I'm not rude or unpleasant with people who have pets. I simply state that I do not transport "pets". If they reply that the dog is a service animal, not a pet. I will gladly take them. I have done it before. But like I said, that is not the response I usually get. See up there^^
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I take any animal but Unicorns, as they scratch my leather seats
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Service dogs are not pets being "imposed on" someone.
I agree. Only if they're actually "service dogs".
Sorry, I got into it yesterday w/ a rider she hopped in my car, with a poodle reject and let him run around and this b#$%& ( dog ) SCRATCHED MY TINT UP!

UBER IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING! NOT HAVING THIS NONSENSE!!!

Im putting an end to PAX abuse one @ a time..
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