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Now we have to take service dogs or be deactivated if complaint

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Settlement today. Is this only blind people or service dogs for any disability?

People buy the service dog vest and patches on eBay so they can take their dog everywhere. People even buy this for pitbulls and are not service dogs. It's against the law to ask for proof or the disibility.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/uber-714305-blind-service.html
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I have two dogs sleeping next to me right now as I type this, but it's not my job to drive around someone else's pets. When it comes to pets, drivers have the right to choose if they want to risk the fur, clean up, allergies, etc.

When it comes to service animals, that's a different stories. The animal is not a pet, it's medical equipment and should be treated like that. If I owned a store, I wouldn't tell someone they can't come in because they're in a wheelchair. Same goes for someone with a service animal.
I have 4 dogs next to me right now
My dogs are cleaner & better behaved
Than any pax or driver
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I have 4 dogs next to me right now
My dogs are cleaner & better behaved
Than any pax or driver
To tell you frankly I'm OK with small dogs, service animal or not, but I have a phobia of large dogs in a confined space, have been chased and attached way too many times as a child ADA should protect me ....
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You realize most taxi drivers are independent contractors too, right? Most are not employees. And to blow your mind even more, you're just as much of a taxi as any other taxi on the road. You do the same exact job. Your car just doesn't have stickers on them, but you're a taxi.

And all someone has to do is complain to uber and you're deactivated. So no more $4 rides with no tip for you.
Bingo !!
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I have a bag of dog pampers in my trunk just in case,but let's be clear about something, as Uber has stated many times,we as drivers DO NOT WORK for Uber, we are independent contractors, and as such I am the President and Owner of my company and I am the one that pick the jobs I want to do and not Uber, my car isn't a Taxi, Bus or Limo, it is my car, the one I use to transport my little daughter around as well so if you bring a big ass dog and I think that is too much for my Prius it is my call, my car, my company. You are welcome to send and email complaining to my company [email protected] ;)
Your company is 1 dog away from tanking LMAO!!!
To tell you frankly I'm OK with small dogs, service animal or not, but I have a phobia of large dogs in a confined space, have been chased and attached way too many times as a child ADA should protect me ....
I've been there dude

True story
I drove a adult mastiff & his owner
Mastiff was bigger than me
Coolest dog ever just sat in the back seat chillin

P.S. It was in my ex-cop Crown Vic Taxi
All vinyl interior

Spent 40min cleaning & vacuuming
That part sucked

BUT

It's part of the job

Don't like manure don't become a part time farmer
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To tell you frankly I'm OK with small dogs, service animal or not, but I have a phobia of large dogs in a confined space, have been chased and attached way too many times as a child ADA should protect me ....
I love little dogs as mine is a little 8yr mini dachshund. Labs are nice and golden retrievers. I have scars on my upper leg where my neighbors sweet loving non abused family pit bull they raised as a puppy charged me when I walked out the front door. Dog put its big teeth into my thigh. I was screaming in pain blood was spurting out the holes of my leg. It was in the hot summer I was miserable that summer from the holes in my leg muscle. Thank god the owner hit him in head with a bat. They were smart enough to give him to a trainer. No I did not sue. They are good neighbors.. I should have they never even offered to pay my Drs bill.
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Yes good reason for peeps to complain

I went to the Drs last week two heavyset women were sitting together with two little barking chihuahuas, both had those little therapy vests on. Ladies told me they were therapy dogs for depression then they laughed. I thought yeah right. Dogs kept barking. I asked the front office receptionist if she could do anything I wasn't feeling well that's why I was at the Drs not the freaking vets. She said nothing she could do or she would get in trouble. She asked if I wanted to reschedule. I was so mad.
Some people just suck, unfortunately. :/
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A service dog is not required to wear anything showing it's a service dog. There are specific questions you can ask. If the dog is a legitimate service dog, you absolutely should be taking the rider and dog if you're opening your car for business to the public. And no this is not limited to just the blind. This applies to anyone with a legitimate service dog.

Do service animals have to wear a vest or patch or special harness identifying them as service animals?

A. No. The ADA does not require service animals to wear a vest, ID tag, or specific harness.

What questions can a covered entity's employees ask to determine if a dog is a service animal?

A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person's disability.

http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html
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I love dogs anyway, and as long as the dog's 'task' isn't to have projectile diarrhea in the car.... I'm ok with it.
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If a service dog makes a mess in our car will we be reimbursed, like with throw up?

Also, if the dog has muddy feet or something similar can we refuse based on messiness?
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No.... along with gum, mints and water.... you must wash the dog's feet and possibly the tail. <):~P
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When will this emotional dog lunacy end?

"My dog has a nervous disorder and needs an emotional support human to escort him everywhere. Open the door".
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A couple days ago I had request from Nail Salon, young girl came out with a small dog, and dog was jumping around and she didn't look like blind...I said I don't take animals, she said its a service dog, I said no, its not a service dog....I canceled...If I see person does not look like blind I will never take them, i'm not gonna be ask them demonstrate some trick... i can also say i'm allergic, will uber ask me doctor's prescription? The best way should be if all disability with animals or not will request Access, and there be no question....but in uberX it's difficult to identify who really has service animal. If i know rider is a really blind i should take them for free.
If I see person does not look like blind I will never take them, i'm not gonna be ask them demonstrate some trick... i can also say i'm allergic, will uber ask me doctor's prescription? The best way should be if all disability with animals or not will request Access, and there be no question....but in uberX it's difficult to identify who really has service animal. If i know rider is a really blind i should take them for free.
Did you consume the whole can before you wrote the above sentences? *Just kidding* But... nothing about your understanding of service dog rules is correct.
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You should be able to deny them for safety issues such as no restraint. No one wants a 40 lb projectile flying into the back of your neck in a accident. I find many people with service dogs as the worst people on this planet. They ruin it for the truly disabled.
Old but interesting article about unrestrained dogs and safety.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2011/01/dog-car-travel-safety.html

Experts warn about the dangers of driving with unrestrained pets in the car

Man's best friend is not a driver's best friend.

While lawmakers have been banning drivers from texting or using cellphones, many motorists are riding around with another dangerous risk -- their dogs.

Experts say an unrestrained dog -- whether curled up on a lap, hanging out the window or resting its paws on the steering wheel -- can be deadly. Tens of thousands of car accidents are believed caused every year by unrestrained pets, though no one has solid numbers.

"An unrestrained pet can be hugely distracting -- if he is seeking your attention, putting his face right in front of yours, starts chewing up the upholstery or is vomiting because he is carsick," said Katherine Miller, director of applied science and research for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

The issue is drawing attention in some statehouses. Hawaii is the only state that specifically forbids drivers from operating a vehicle with a pet on their lap. But Oregon lawmakers are considering fining drivers who hold their pets behind the wheel. And some cities are taking action, too.

In 2009, 5,474 people were killed and 448,000 injured in crashes caused by distracted drivers in the United States, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Cellphones were the top distraction -- the cause of 18 percent of the fatalities and 5 percent of the injury crashes. The agency does not track accidents caused by pets, but said they are counted among other distractions such as disruptive passengers, misbehaving children or drivers who attempt to put on makeup or read.

Author Stephen King suffered several broken bones and a collapsed lung in 1999 when he was hit by a driver who claimed he was distracted by his dog.

In a crash, an unrestrained pet can turn into a deadly projectile or get crushed by a driver or passenger who is thrown forward by the collision.

Good pet owners will use a harness or carrier and secure their pets in the middle of the back seat, Miller said. That keeps dogs from getting hurt or bouncing around and hurting others.

"A pet that weighs 50 pounds, in a 35 mph collision, is projected forward like a cannonball with 1,500 pounds of force, and that can cause critical injuries to the folks in the front seat," Miller said.

Restraining a pet also keeps the animal from running off after a crash and possibly getting hit or causing another crash, or from getting in the way of first responders, she said.

Susan Footh, 37, of Whitewood, S.D., said her 12-pound Maltese named Mozart could have been killed twice if he hadn't been wearing a harness.

Footh was on her way to a Christmas gathering when her car veered out of control on ice. She smashed into a highway barrier three times before the vehicle stopped. Presents flew through the car, her coffee splattered all over the back window. But Mozart stayed put.

Then, a few weeks ago, another driver clipped her bumper while trying to pass, sending her first into a spin and then into a ditch.

"Mozart was shaking. I'm sure he was saying, 'Not again,'" Footh said. She was able to put the car into four-wheel-drive and climb out of the ditch.

In Oregon, lawmakers will vote in the next few months on a bill that proposes a $90 fine for people who drive with an animal on their lap.

A similar law made it to the governor's desk in California in 2008, but then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger refused to sign it, saying it was not a high priority.

Bill Pace, the former assemblyman from Visalia who introduced the failed bill, said he frequently sees drivers with "animals up in their face, in their lap and on the steering wheel. ... This is not a rare occurrence."

Some cities have passed laws of their own. In Troy, Mich., a law took effect Jan. 1 that makes it illegal to drive with a pet in your lap.

But Jonathan Adkins, communications director for the Governors Highway Safety Assn., doubts that many states will single out pets.

Elected officials "can't have a law to outlaw every bad driver behavior," he said. "You go after the big ones."

But Adkins said the problem is underreported because the only way to know that a pet was at fault is if the driver says so.

Education about pet restraints will have to come from pet owners, vets, animal-welfare agencies and insurance companies, he added. And that could take years, just as it took a long time to get people to wear seat belts.

For pet owners, Footh said, the answer is easy.

It takes no more than 10 seconds for her to hook Mozart into his $12 harness. He helps by hopping up on the seat and waiting for her to snap it.

"My dog is my baby. I want him to live a long and healthy life," she said. "It's not just about feeding him and loving him. It's about keeping him safe in every way, and that includes when we are in the car."
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To tell you frankly I'm OK with small dogs, service animal or not, but I have a phobia of large dogs in a confined space, have been chased and attached way too many times as a child ADA should protect me ....
I get that phobias are real and I'm not doubting yours at all, but you're probably not going to have a seizure or go into diabetic shock because of it. Those are some of the reasons why people need their service dogs with them. If your phobia is so severe that's it's debilitating to your daily life and need it to live than maybe the you need a service dog too and the ADA is there to protect your right to have one.
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When will this emotional dog lunacy end?

"My dog has a nervous disorder and needs an emotional support human to escort him everywhere. Open the door".
Other than on airplanes (i believe), emotional support dogs don't have the same rights as service dogs. If someone has an emotional support animal, you don't have to take them in your car if you choose not to. The laws only apply to service dogs.
A service dog is not required to wear anything showing it's a service dog. There are specific questions you can ask. If the dog is a legitimate service dog, you absolutely should be taking the rider and dog if you're opening your car for business to the public. And no this is not limited to just the blind. This applies to anyone with a legitimate service dog.

Do service animals have to wear a vest or patch or special harness identifying them as service animals?

A. No. The ADA does not require service animals to wear a vest, ID tag, or specific harness.

What questions can a covered entity's employees ask to determine if a dog is a service animal?

A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person's disability.

http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html
The key word is "EMPLOYEES" ---> which we are not.

1099 independent contractors should be given the right to accept or decline all and any passengers.
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The key word is "EMPLOYEES" ---> which we are not.

1099 independent contractors should be given the right to accept or decline all and any passengers.
Doesn't matter. There are plenty of taxi drivers that are labeled independent contractors. Actually, I bet the high majority are. I know I was when I was driving a taxi. The laws still apply. You can not discriminate for a disability just because you're not an employee.

The only thing the "independent contractor" label gets you is the ability for uber to not give you benefits.

Don't believe me? Just as the company you're contracting for. Ask them what happens when you deny service to someone with a service dog and they report you for it. Ask them what happens.
I have 4 dogs next to me right now
My dogs are cleaner & better behaved
Than any pax or driver
Unfortunately, not all dogs are that way. I have 2 dogs and consider myself an animal ambassador. I don't do things to impose my pets on other people. Again, unfortunately not all people are that way.
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Doesn't matter. There are plenty of taxi drivers that are labeled independent contractors. Actually, I bet the high majority are. I know I was when I was driving a taxi. The laws still apply. You can not discriminate for a disability just because you're not an employee.

The only thing the "independent contractor" label gets you is the ability for uber to not give you benefits.

Don't believe me? Just as the company you're contracting for. Ask them what happens when you deny service to someone with a service dog and they report you for it. Ask them what happens.
1) No one will get rich suing a FUBER or taxi driver. Lmao
I doubt any lawyer will even think about doing so, waste of time.

2) I have a full time job, I do FUBER 10 hours a week. I don't care about deactivation.

3) I have 2 dogs (Pitbulls), I know how they react to strangers. Having said this, I don't want dogs in my personal vehicle that "do not know me and see me as a stranger".

For the drivers that depend on this as a full time job, you're in a bind. As for me, this is a side gig. I do not rely on it financially.
1. Probably not, but I'd hope it's not about money. If someone were to sue someone, it would be about setting an example. It's a discrimination issue.

2. That may be the case, but the laws still apply to you. If you don't mind risking deactivation, hurting someone's feelings, and wasting someone's time - go for it. I don't agree with it and neither does the law, but who am I to tell someone what to do?

3. I have two german shepherds, but they're my pets, not my medical equipment. I wouldn't impose them on some random taxi driver's car. I don't want someone's pets in my car, but it's my legal obligation to take their service dogs.
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