[Fuzzyelvis]

Settlement today. Is this only blind people or service dogs for any disability?

People buy the service dog vest and patches on eBay so they can take their dog everywhere. People even buy this for pitbulls and are not service dogs. It's against the law to ask for proof or the disibility.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/uber-714305-blind-service.html

What do you mean "now"? You have always been required to take them.

Vests etc are not needed. So having them or not is beside the point.

There ARE pit bull service dogs by the way.

www.pitsforpatriots.org

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

A company's policies don't trump state and federal laws though.

A company can make it MORE restrictive and tell you not to ask any questions if they want. IF you're an employee of course. But this is Uber so they make their own rules.

Walmart is perfectly free to tell employees not to ask anything if someone says their dog is a service dog. They CAN'T tell them to ask any more than federal law allows.

Uber is just doing what it does. Personally, if a dog looks clean and we'll behaved I'll just take it whether it's a pet or service dog. If it's not under control then I'm not obligated to regardless. But it would have to be really acting up for me to refuse if I really believed it was a service dog. I can't really imagine one behaving really badly unless something scared it or it was injured.

But then I'd take it anyway...I've picked up dogs hit by cars and put them in my car before. But I'm a big softie. Just not for people. I pretty much despise a lot of people.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

Don't worry you are not blowing my mind since I did work as a Taxi driver and I know exactly how it is. Do you know the huge diference between taxi and Uber,besides the city permits, stickers and all that? That you are using you PERSONAL vehicle, so if a dog rag my cab with odor, vomit, poop, hair etc I still get to put my daughter in my own personal vehicle and take her to school in a clean car while my taxi is getting clean up. I can't do that with Uber since I use the same vehicle, like Uber says " be your own boss, drive when it is convenient for you" So if I deside that one ride isn't convenient for me, well I am just following Uber's adverticement, the one that lead me to offer my company's services to Uber in the first place

I am just trying to make a point here since like I said in my last post I even have bought pampers for dogs and I keep then in my car, to be honest dogs don't bother me unless they are to big for my car, what it bothers me is that they want to make you do stuff like if you were an employee for them when they use every posible way to demonstrate that you are not, that is all.

Actually in this case Uber is (except for saying to not ask any questions) simply following the law. This is one case where they have no say in it. YOU are the one in violation if you don't follow the ADA.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

Don't worry you are not blowing my mind since I did work as a Taxi driver and I know exactly how it is. Do you know the huge diference between taxi and Uber,besides the city permits, stickers and all that? That you are using you PERSONAL vehicle, so if a dog rag my cab with odor, vomit, poop, hair etc I still get to put my daughter in my own personal vehicle and take her to school in a clean car while my taxi is getting clean up. I can't do that with Uber since I use the same vehicle, like Uber says " be your own boss, drive when it is convenient for you" So if I deside that one ride isn't convenient for me, well I am just following Uber's adverticement, the one that lead me to offer my company's services to Uber in the first place

I am just trying to make a point here since like I said in my last post I even have bought pampers for dogs and I keep then in my car, to be honest dogs don't bother me unless they are to big for my car, what it bothers me is that they want to make you do stuff like if you were an employee for them when they use every posible way to demonstrate that you are not, that is all.

You realise your kid is more likely to catch something from the PEOPLE you drive around than a dog? If you're concerned about germs you must clean and sanitize after every shift anyway. I'd be worried about colds and flu, not dog bugs.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

The key word is "EMPLOYEES" ---> which we are not.

1099 independent contractors should be given the right to accept or decline all and any passengers.

Just because you own the store (or the car) doesn't mean you get to decide to whom you can refuse service. If it worked that way we'd still have segregation.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

Unfortunately, not all dogs are that way. I have 2 dogs and consider myself an animal ambassador. I don't do things to impose my pets on other people. Again, unfortunately not all people are that way.

Service dogs are not pets being "imposed on" someone.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

False, segregation was mandated by law. People who engage in discrimination will be out of business since few people will support them.

Local law, not federal. And when federal law overrode those local laws plenty of white business owners were not happy and used the argument that it was THEIR business and they didn't have to serve "********" if they didn't want to. Only the law forcing them to is what changed things.

Anyway, the point is that it doesn't matter if you're an employee or the owner, you can't (legally) discriminate because the pax has a service animal.

Oh and your second point? BS. Plenty of people eat at Chic Filet and those folks would love to ban all LGBT people from the premises.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

I agree, they were horrible people. But it doesn't change the fact that they have the right to free speech and freedom of association.

What does that have to do with who they allow in their business? They are free to say they don't want to serve certain groups, so long as they do it.

What is not horrible about discriminating against those who need a service animal so they can do the things most people take for granted?

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

It is horrible if they are legitimate service dog owners, but drivers are not allowed to ask questions to verify. I still don't think the law should punish bigots just because someone gets offended.

Punishing them how? I'm not following how this is related. Are you meaning forcing them to serve people they don't want to is punishing them?

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

Don't punish drivers who might not be comfortable with a strange dog in their vehicle. Everyone has their reasons and not everything is discrimination.

You do realise "not comfortable" is the exact wording white men often used (when they were being polite) to describe how they felt having a black man eating in the same restaurant as their wives. The wives also said that.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

You keep beating that straw man. I guess Hitler was also "not comfortable" with a certain group of people.

Well I think you just made my point for me.

But didn't you know the dust of a unicorns horn is has magical powers.

Personally I'll take a pax with a dog even with my dog in the car. But... No cats....No birds. I'm scared to death of birds and not only am I deathly allergic to cats, it would drive my dog crazy. My dog wants nothing more than to have a cat as a friend but they seem not to like my happy little dog. They find her annoying and she's gotten her butt kicked twice by a cats.

I have a few cats who love dogs. The rest just tolerate them. But I would have any cat in a carrier anyway.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

I would rather take 100 fake service dogs in my car than inconvenience one disabled person who truly needs that animal with them at all times. Unless the government comes up with a better system (and requiring documentation is a difficult thing for me to get behind--God forbid it gets left on the plane or such, and there would still be fake documents out there) then this is what we have. Everyone needs to just deal with it if they run a business.

If the dog makes a mess or damages the car, then go after the owner through Uber and small claims court if necessary. I know the latter is probably a losing proposition, but it's no different than if a drunk pax damages your car. If Uber paid enough to deal with those occasional incidents, we wouldn't get so upset about them. It's simply a risk taken in any business.

You people saying you will drive away if you so much as see a dog are scum. Period. You have no way of knowing if it's a service animal, although if it misbehaves, that's a good indication it's not. And you don't need to take it then anyway.

If you have life threatening allergies then do all you can to control them. I have severe asthma. It sucks. Luckily I'm not THAT allergic to dogs and my allergy shots have helped a lot. I honestly would not do this job if dogs were life threatening to me. Frankly, for me, smokers are a much bigger problem. My cancellation rate would deactivate me if I refused every smoker, unfortunately. Before allergy shots I would NOT be able to do this job. There are no shots for smoke (it's an irritant, not an allergen, but my allergies used to already have my lungs on alert so to speak) but the allergy shots have calmed everything down, thank goodness.

If your allergies can't be controlled, and you want to do this job then hopefully you can get documentation that shows YOU are disabled by it and need accommodation. That would be no animals in your car. It should go both ways. But if it's not a severe allergy deal with it. I have no sympathy.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

Nicely stated. Thank you.

Unfortunately if it is a service dog who messes up the car, the driver cannot claim any cleaning fees. If it destroys the car, they can recover costs. or at least in Colorado they can. The law clearly states owners of service dogs are liable for any damages by the dog. But not for cleaning fees.

Re your comment on smokers, you accept them but you don't let them smoke in your car do you? You just have to tolerate their smell.

Yeah no way I let anyone smoke or vape. But I can't tell the 3rd hand smoke until.its too late.

The ADA on hotels etc says that they can't charge a cleaning fee like they normally tack on for a pet. But if the service animal does something above and beyond the "normal" cleaning the owner can be charged. For instance, if a hotel normally charges an extra $50 to clean a room that a dog stayed in they cannot charge that $50 for a service dog. However if they charge an extra $250 on top of the regular cleaning fee if a pet sh*** on the floor they can also charge a service dog's owner for that.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

I lie to you and tell you this bag of powder, is flour I want you to deliver to my poor aunt Rita. You tell the cops, but he told me it was flour! who do you think goes to jail?

You're not REQUIRED to take it because you're told it's flour. You ARE required to take a dog you're told is a service dog.

 

[Fuzzyelvis]

Leave it to one jerk who locked a service dog in the trunk to ruin it for everyone else. Beur knows more about the classification issues if independent drivers are considered under title 2 or title 3.

I know in Denver the law states all taxis and private car services must transport service dogs. Does that law extend to TNC drivers don't know. Don't want to pay the legal fees to find out.

Anyplace where the law ADDRESSES TNC it should be clear. In Houston taking service animals is written into the "Vehicles for Hire" ordinance, onto which TNC was added in 2014. So at least in the City of Houston there is NO debate. We are the same as any other vehicle for hire in their eyes. It covers jitneys, pedicabs, slow moving shuttles, taxis, schoolbuses, the list goes on. Each has a section, including TNC.