[Kurt Halfyard]

Wynne famously axed John Tory's request to add a $2-5 Toll for each use of the QEW/DVP into the Toronto Core, but a curious support has returned to residents in the GTA who are, and have been for some time, frustrated with the Don Valley Parking Lot and the jammed up QEW in the morning and evenings.

I hope the NDP bring in Road tolls on the QEW and DVP into the city, make for a faster journey in and out of town, and would drive people to transit.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4244435/...ay-how-do-the-parties-transit-plans-stack-up/

A new Ipsos poll conducted exclusively for Global News suggests there's support in the province for such a measure - but that support lies predominantly in the GTA.

According to the poll, in which 841 people were surveyed online between May 25 and 27, just under half of GTA residents reported they support building more toll roads in Ontario to "help pay for more roads and transit." Meanwhile, 46 per cent of that same group said they support paying higher taxes in order to "invest in more public transit" within their communities.
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[Yam Digger]

Before you take a poll’s numbers as gospel truth, always find out who paid for it. If the resulting numbers are in the interest of the organization funding it, distrust it.

 

[Kurt Halfyard]

Before you take a poll's numbers as gospel truth, always find out who paid for it. If the resulting numbers are in the interest of the organization funding it, distrust it.

The Poll was by paid for Global News Canada, hardly a partisan hack organization (compared to say, The Star, The Sun or CBC!)

I do agree that this is good advice: Always QUESTION everything.

 

[i_k]

I hope the NDP bring in Road tolls on the QEW and DVP into the city, make for a faster journey in and out of town, and would drive people to transit.

I don't think raod tolls will reduce congestion. I think the people who currently drive will still drive and pay $2-5 for the convenience of driving rather than paying $3 to take public transit. The only thing the road toll will accomplish is ticking people off knowing they're paying to sit in traffic..

 

[Kurt Halfyard]

I don't think raod tolls will reduce congestion. I think the people who currently drive will still drive and pay $2-5 for the convenience of driving rather than paying $3 to take public transit. The only thing the road toll will accomplish is ticking people off knowing they're paying to sit in traffic..

Never underestimate how cheap people are. With the rising price of gasoline, and a $5 toll, and the more recently convenient PRESTO option for TTC/GO, I'd expect a lot of cars off the road during RUSH hour, which is the entire point of a congestion Toll.

When Hurricane Katrina caused gasoline prices to briefly soar in 2005 (to about $1.30/L, where prices currently sit), the TTC made up its entire annual budget shortfall (in the tens of millions of dollars) in those 2 months due to increased ridership.

 

[WillC]

I have no interest in using them when they become toll roads. However, taxes I pay should not be used by any mean related to these roads and I should be paid back all the tax money spent on them. I should also be paid for the pollution that generated from cars using them.

 

[i_k]

Never underestimate how cheap people are.

Never underestimate how lazy people are. There are tons of people taking Uber who can't afford it..

But I guess it wouldn't hurt to try a congestion toll. Maybe start with a trial period to see if it actually makes a difference. I'm down for anything that would help alleviate our traffic problem..

 

[Kurt Halfyard]

Never underestimate how lazy people are. There are tons of people taking Uber who can't afford it..

But I guess it wouldn't hurt to try a congestion toll. Maybe start with a trial period to see if it actually makes a difference. I'm down for anything that would help alleviate our traffic problem..

Toronto is profoundly behind the curve on this. There is plenty of data on traffic and congestion pricing from London, Stockholm, Singapore, and Milan.

 

[Gone_in_60_seconds]

Wynne famously axed John Tory's request to add a $2-5 Toll for each use of the QEW/DVP into the Toronto Core, but a curious support has returned to residents in the GTA who are, and have been for some time, frustrated with the Don Valley Parking Lot and the jammed up QEW in the morning and evenings.

I hope the NDP bring in Road tolls on the QEW and DVP into the city, make for a faster journey in and out of town, and would drive people to transit.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4244435/...ay-how-do-the-parties-transit-plans-stack-up/

A new Ipsos poll conducted exclusively for Global News suggests there's support in the province for such a measure - but that support lies predominantly in the GTA.

According to the poll, in which 841 people were surveyed online between May 25 and 27, just under half of GTA residents reported they support building more toll roads in Ontario to "help pay for more roads and transit." Meanwhile, 46 per cent of that same group said they support paying higher taxes in order to "invest in more public transit" within their communities.
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The problem with tolls in this country is we are already overtaxed. 30% of the cost of gasoline is already made up of taxes by the provincial and federal gov't. If they want to toll all the roads and highway to discourage unnecessary use and minimize rush hour congestion I am all for that (time of use pricing). They will need to remove all the taxes off of the gasoline, so that the true cost of road usage is borne by the heaviest users of the roads and highways. i.e. commercial trucks, commercial vehicles, work commuters, pleasure commuters. So, the net effect being the more you drive, the more you pay to contribute to the maintenance of the infrastructure!

 

[Kurt Halfyard]

The problem with tolls in this country is we are already overtaxed. 30% of the cost of gasoline is already made up of taxes by the provincial and federal gov't. If they want to toll all the roads and highway to discourage unnecessary use and minimize rush hour congestion I am all for that (time of use pricing). They will need to remove all the taxes off of the gasoline, so that the true cost of road usage is borne by the heaviest users of the roads and highways. i.e. commercial trucks, commercial vehicles, work commuters, pleasure commuters. So, the net effect being the more you drive, the more you pay to contribute to the maintenance of the infrastructure!

The Gasoline Tax was a sledge hammer approach bourne out of a single fuel source (if I lump Diesel and Petrol together).
It is no longer viable in the era of hybrids, EVs, Propane and other alternative fuels. I expect in the next decade, the whole notion of Gas Taxes will be re-evaluated from the ground up.

The Tolls are there as a 'pain point' to keep cars off the road at key times. As an UBER driver, you should be familiar with SURGE, which is essentially what a good Congestion Toll system would entail (simplified without the 'real-time' algorithm in Surge). from 7am-10am and from 4pm - 7pm charge $10 for the privilege of a well-moving highway to plan your commute with better accuracy. There is even a fiscal argument: Many people probably burn a couple dollars of fuel idling in traffic. And then there is the 'air quality' argument, of 'nudging' a lot of idling cars off the road-way, makes for cleaner air in urban environments.

 

[Actionjax]

Ok people....I just went through Both the PC and the NDP platforms and I want to know why I'm not voting PC? Both Platforms suck but I am not happy with me being taxed more than I am already being taxed.

I see some Tax relief with the PC party but could loose rideshare. On the other hand I can go with the NDP and pay more taxes than I do today and the jury is still out about rideshare and how they see it.

Sorry guys I'm getting a little trigger shy and might go PC. Please help me out here on why I shouldn't vote for Ford.

 

[Gone_in_60_seconds]

Ok people....I just went through Both the PC and the NDP platforms and I want to know why I'm not voting PC? Both Platforms suck but I am not happy with me being taxed more than I am already being taxed.

I see some Tax relief with the PC party but could loose rideshare. On the other hand I can go with the NDP and pay more taxes than I do today and the jury is still out about rideshare and how they see it.

Sorry guys I'm getting a little trigger shy and might go PC. Please help me out here on why I shouldn't vote for Ford.

NDP plan to add additional carbon taxes to the already expensive gasoline! That is definitely not rideshare friendly.

 

[Kurt Halfyard]

Ok people....I just went through Both the PC and the NDP platforms and I want to know why I'm not voting PC? Both Platforms suck but I am not happy with me being taxed more than I am already being taxed.

I see some Tax relief with the PC party but could loose rideshare. On the other hand I can go with the NDP and pay more taxes than I do today and the jury is still out about rideshare and how they see it.

Sorry guys I'm getting a little trigger shy and might go PC. Please help me out here on why I shouldn't vote for Ford.

Go back and watch FORD and how he interacts with other city Councillors in Toronto Municipal YouTube videos. This is not a man who can foster leadership or consensus. This is a contrarian ignoramus that makes an embarrassing spectacle of reducing complex governance to oversimplified sentiments. He is the last person I want governing, and clearly by not issuing a costed platform, but instead simply offering a 'to do list', he nullifies the 'bench strength' argument. Basically the laziness and 'trust me' aspect of his campaign says to me, that all the 'top quality potential cabinet members' couldn't put out a coherent, detail driven platform...this is not confidence inspiring.

As to the NDP, while they may be Liberal+, It takes a while for them to get all their promises in motion, so we can evaluate their performance on a case by case basis, and vote them out in 4 years, without the governing clown show, and all that comes with Ford Nation.

Seriously, just watch any Toronto Council meeting with the Ford Brothers, they are like belligerent children who just want to sit in their corner and huff and puff.

 

[Actionjax]

Go back and watch FORD and how he interacts with other city Councillors in Toronto Municipal YouTube videos. This is not a man who can foster leadership or consensus. This is a contrarian ignoramus that makes an embarrassing spectacle of reducing complex governance to oversimplified sentiments. He is the last person I want governing, and clearly by not issuing a costed platform, but instead simply offering a 'to do list', he nullifies the 'bench strength' argument. Basically the laziness and 'trust me' aspect of his campaign says to me, that all the 'top quality potential cabinet members' couldn't put out a coherent, detail driven platform...this is not confidence inspiring.

As to the NDP, while they may be Liberal+, It takes a while for them to get all their promises in motion, so we can evaluate their performance on a case by case basis, and vote them out in 4 years, without the governing clown show, and all that comes with it.

Seriously, just watch any Toronto Council meeting with the Ford Brothers, they are like belligerent children who just want to sit in their corner and huff and puff.

I'm very familiar with Toronto council and the Fords. I had to deal with the likes of them before. You are right they are morons. All that I hope is that he is too lazy to do much and his cabinet will run the show. This has got to be the worst outcomes I have seen in years. How is it we are left with 3 of the worst options at the end of all this.

 

[Kurt Halfyard]

I'm very familiar with Toronto council and the Fords. I had to deal with the likes of them before. You are right they are morons. All that I hope is that he is too lazy to do much and his cabinet will run the show. This has got to be the worst outcomes I have seen in years. How is it we are left with 3 of the worst options at the end of all this.

I know. I know. But I'll take an 'adult' at the helm, instead of a FORD. If that means the NDP and increased spending, then so be it. In my experience, extreme cost cutting, paradoxically, just means we all pay more in the end (Mike Harris cutting massively in the Nurses/Hospitals, yields a ungainly 'hallway medicine' situation with hundreds of managers spending a lot of money to fix, when they could have 'not cut the staff and facilities' in the first place. (See also: Bureaucracy - the more your try to contain it, the more it spirals out of control). Ford is waging a losing battle, I'd rather him not drag ONTARIO through the muck. Teach the PCs to field a better 'face' for their party, I'm sure Christine Elliot would have been a more sane/balanced choice.

 

[MUGATS]

Tax cuts just lead to higher user fees. Every. Single. Time.

 

[Santa]

Ford is Not fiscally Conservative. He is nothing more than a Northern Trump, and No Trump is NOT a businessman but a racist, xenophobe, full of hate and rage, etc etc.
That should deter anyone with a mind and goodness to steer off this dude.

Now getting to the original topic, I didn't know that 841 ppl is just under half Not Significantly under under under half of GTA's resident.
I guess all these ppl that we see everyday are not from GTA, and GTA turns into a ghost town after sunset. Hmmmmm..

 

[Yam Digger]

I'm very familiar with Toronto council and the Fords. I had to deal with the likes of them before. You are right they are morons. All that I hope is that he is too lazy to do much and his cabinet will run the show. This has got to be the worst outcomes I have seen in years. How is it we are left with 3 of the worst options at the end of all this.

In this unhappy scenario, a MINORITY government is what's needed. It's better to have Queens Park gridlocked and doing nothing than give the PC's and NDP a blank check and watch them make Mike Harris and Bob Ray look like geniuses.