[Superduber]

OK, just to clear up my other post from yesterday where I said $6 Poo CAN actually be good. What I was trying to say is if it is close and surged it CAN be good. By definition surge means things are busy and you have higher probability of having both matched rides and multiple surged rides. Other than that Poo is terrible do not accept anything else.

There that hopefully clears up:
1) that I don't work for Uber or if I did I'm getting fired so I'm not going in to work anymore
2) that I'm trying to mislead newbies

Now for the math part and why I hate poo, maybe I got this wrong, so anyone please correct if I got this wrong, but this is why I generally hate poo, but it might just be a misunderstanding on my part, and if there are any other Uber employees here please feel free to polish up why poo can be good unless both surged and close.

Lets start with base rate: $.80/km + time (I'll ignore time since it is peanuts and a rounding error)
Uber Toronto basically says discount is anywhere from 10% - 40%, but that essentially busy time (eg. mornings) you can get 40% discount, while less busy times you get 10%, but as a driver you do not know what discount is being applied. So as a usual morning driver I'm going to assume 40% discount applies, because if it is not busy I'm not driving. If it is not busy this also means that it is not surging and low probability of matched ride and therefore Uber 10% cut of fare applies. This means what you probably get in an unsurged ride mornings (ie. no surge, so not busy, so not high probability of matched ride):
.8 x .6 (ie. 40% fare discount) x .9 (ie. 10% uber take) = $.432/km.

Lets say you drive 10min to pax and pax ride is 10min, and driving speed distance covered in both situation is equal. You could effectively be making only $0.216/km (of course it could be slightly better or worse, but regardless from a base of $.432/km things can only be bad). I would wager that after gas, maintenance, insurance, depreciation, your time, etc it is impossible to make that situation economic. You might as well take a timeout and hand out money to whoever walks by.

So there you have it why I don't like poo, and I take a timeout rather than giving unsurged & close poo rides. But the above may be a misunderstanding/math error on my part. But I only take poo when surged and close, and have found in those situations it can be better than X rides (at times even quite a bit better than surged X ride) due to possibility of having multiple matched surged rides.

However, to further refine my "algorithm" of when to accept poo, if my first ride is surged & close that I accepted, if the next one is also not surged I don't accept it. Because then Uber's take jumps from 10% to 30%, so there is no real financial incentive to pickup any other rides. Accepting a 2nd unsurged ping also means things are not that busy so you're even less likely to get a 3rd matched ride. Keeping it to just surged and close improves your chances that your poo experience might be a pleasant one.

 

[Harry70]

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OK, just to clear up my other post from yesterday where I said $6 Poo CAN actually be good. What I was trying to say is if it is close and surged it CAN be good. By definition surge means things are busy and you have higher probability of having both matched rides and multiple surged rides. Other than that Poo is terrible do not accept anything else.

There that hopefully clears up:
1) that I don't work for Uber or if I did I'm getting fired so I'm not going in to work anymore
2) that I'm trying to mislead newbies

Now for the math part and why I hate poo, maybe I got this wrong, so anyone please correct if I got this wrong, but this is why I generally hate poo, but it might just be a misunderstanding on my part, and if there are any other Uber employees here please feel free to polish up why poo can be good unless both surged and close.

Lets start with base rate: $.80/km + time (I'll ignore time since it is peanuts and a rounding error)
Uber Toronto basically says discount is anywhere from 10% - 40%, but that essentially busy time (eg. mornings) you can get 40% discount, while less busy times you get 10%, but as a driver you do not know what discount is being applied. So as a usual morning driver I'm going to assume 40% discount applies, because if it is not busy I'm not driving. If it is not busy this also means that it is not surging and low probability of matched ride and therefore Uber 10% cut of fare applies. This means what you probably get in an unsurged ride mornings (ie. no surge, so not busy, so not high probability of matched ride):
.8 x .6 (ie. 40% fare discount) x .9 (ie. 10% uber take) = $.432/km.

Lets say you drive 10min to pax and pax ride is 10min, and driving speed distance covered in both situation is equal. You could effectively be making only $0.216/km (of course it could be slightly better or worse, but regardless from a base of $.432/km things can only be bad). I would wager that after gas, maintenance, insurance, depreciation, your time, etc it is impossible to make that situation economic. You might as well take a timeout and hand out money to whoever walks by.

So there you have it why I don't like poo, and I take a timeout rather than giving unsurged & close poo rides. But the above may be a misunderstanding/math error on my part. But I only take poo when surged and close, and have found in those situations it can be better than X rides (at times even quite a bit better than surged X ride) due to possibility of having multiple matched surged rides.

However, to further refine my "algorithm" of when to accept poo, if my first ride is surged & close that I accepted, if the next one is also not surged I don't accept it. Because then Uber's take jumps from 10% to 30%, so there is no real financial incentive to pickup any other rides. Accepting a 2nd unsurged ping also means things are not that busy so you're even less likely to get a 3rd matched ride. Keeping it to just surged and close improves your chances that your poo experience might be a pleasant one.

Ok got it ; I never suggested u work for uber or u r misquotin
;we all r drivers at the day end ; I just said About a happy hour ; kindly Keep posting your happy hours ; I like them

 

[Superduber]

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Ok got it ; I never suggested u work for uber or u r misquotin
;we all r drivers at the day end ; I just said About a happy hour ; kindly Keep posting your happy hours ; I like them

Yup, I know you didn't suggest I worked for Uber, but there was another poster that did.
And happy hour for today is $0, not driving today. So that can also be happy times

 

[Actionjax]

Actually unsurged it can still be good. fact is many times that first unsurged trip can lead to 2 or 3 surged trips as part of the pickup.

As much as we all try and look at a strategy on pool. the facts are it's a crap shoot. The key is you get nothing by sitting on the sidelines and not playing.

 

[Manhoos]

All poo lovers take all my poo calls and do whatever experiment they wanna do...
Uber itself doing experiments on poo and must be taking loss now..

I HATE poo and I will not take it. I'd rather sit on sidelines than doing public charity service.

 

[Gill002]

Actually unsurged it can still be good. fact is many times that first unsurged trip can lead to 2 or 3 surged trips as part of the pickup.

As much as we all try and look at a strategy on pool. the facts are it's a crap shoot. The key is you get nothing by sitting on the sidelines and not playing.

I prefer to sit around doing nothing than to let myself do something which is not worth my time. Hence, I don't work at Tim Hortons, may as well shoot for moon and land on the stars than be nowhere or sell myself short

 

[Andy3131]

Actually unsurged it can still be good. fact is many times that first unsurged trip can lead to 2 or 3 surged trips as part of the pickup.

As much as we all try and look at a strategy on pool. the facts are it's a crap shoot. The key is you get nothing by sitting on the sidelines and not playing.

Actually last night, I made most of my money on pool. $106 after uber cut from 9:30 PM - 12:30 AM. Got a matched pool trip from Seneca College to Etobicoke (Lakeshore) and got another matched pool from downtown to Mississauga.

 

[Actionjax]

Actually last night, I made most of my money on pool. $106 after uber cut from 9:30 PM - 12:30 AM. Got a matched pool trip from Seneca College to Etobicoke (Lakeshore) and got another matched pool from downtown to Mississauga.

Ya I went out last night and got a Single Pool trip that matched 11 times. Always 2 trips in the car and at one point 4. Out of that it netted from memory $48 to drive from Cityplace to as far north as Yorkville then back down to Liberty village and then East the final drop on Queen east at the Opera House. 1 Hour 30 min total time. In there were about 4 cancels without pickups for $1.80 for 2 of them. (other 2 were not paid because Uber says it was before 2 min the cancel) Everyone was on time, pleasant and I kept moving. In fact I probably could have kept going with more on the run but I had to reject the last 2 incoming pickups as I had somewhere else to be. Or I could have got more.

That was a first for me.

 

[Harry70]

Ya I went out last night and got a Single Pool trip that matched 11 times. Always 2 trips in the car and at one point 4. Out of that it netted from memory $48 to drive from Cityplace to as far north as Yorkville then back down to Liberty village and then East the final drop on Queen east at the Opera House. 1 Hour 30 min total time. In there were about 4 cancels without pickups for $1.80 for 2 of them. (other 2 were not paid because Uber says it was before 2 min the cancel) Everyone was on time, pleasant and I kept moving. In fact I probably could have kept going with more on the run but I had to reject the last 2 incoming pickups as I had somewhere else to be. Or I could have got more.

That was a first for me.

at last u got your happy hour; got your (p00) release; I m happy for u

 

[Gill002]

If drivers let pool become successful in Toronto, we will have what is happening in New York right now

55% discount compared to uberx. Then everyone can pat them self on the back and come here and ***** and moan

 

[Uberx_driver]

I need to understand what is the ratio of pool vs Uberx requests. My account registration is from Hamilton so I have never received any pool request, most probably this featture is not available for Hamilton drivers. I live and mostly drive in Mississauga. I remain idle on the sideline while waiting for pings so may be I am loosing many pool rides. I am thinking to get transfer my account from Hamilton to Mississauga to take advantage of this pool business rather than sitting idle. What do you suggest?

 

[Actionjax]

I need to understand what is the ratio of pool vs Uberx requests. My account registration is from Hamilton so I have never received any pool request, most probably this featture is not available for Hamilton drivers. I live and mostly drive in Mississauga. I remain idle on the sideline while waiting for pings so may be I am loosing many pool rides. I am thinking to get transfer my account from Hamilton to Mississauga to take advantage of this pool business rather than sitting idle. What do you suggest?

During the rush hour with the $6 pool rates I would say 60% are pool requests. They do keep you busy. Any other time I would say 20% tops.

 

[Token44]

I need to understand what is the ratio of pool vs Uberx requests. My account registration is from Hamilton so I have never received any pool request, most probably this featture is not available for Hamilton drivers. I live and mostly drive in Mississauga. I remain idle on the sideline while waiting for pings so may be I am loosing many pool rides. I am thinking to get transfer my account from Hamilton to Mississauga to take advantage of this pool business rather than sitting idle. What do you suggest?

Count your blessings and wait for the X rides.

 

[Token44]

During the rush hour with the $6 pool rates I would say 60% are pool requests. They do keep you busy. Any other time I would say 20% tops.

Driver said he does Mississauga. There is no $6 rush hour pool in 'sauga. Just regular run of the mill pool. Also means no one will take a surged pool.
Mississauga is about half the physical size of Toronto, with less than a third of the population. They also have a lot of industrial parks out there, and getting matched rides will be a LOT harder.
With the spread out geography pickups are often 7-9 minutes away.

 

[Actionjax]

Driver said he does Mississauga. There is no $6 rush hour pool in 'sauga. Just regular run of the mill pool. Also means no one will take a surged pool.
Mississauga is about half the physical size of Toronto, with less than a third of the population. They also have a lot of industrial parks out there, and getting matched rides will be a LOT harder.
With the spread out geography pickups are often 7-9 minutes away.

Got it...didn't think Mississauga even had a real rush hour. All their drivers come to Toronto.

 

[Uber-Dog]

poo trip is wasting time, and loosing fuel, all you do when you accept second pax, driving longer back and forth one day I accidentally accepted poo and i got second one surge, I thought I will be ok, it took me to dropped both riders about 50min and I only got $10 I could make 50 minutes in uberx $100, it is wasting time poo will damage your car and take all your fuel away. I will never ever ever accept poo. let the newbie have my poo's request.

 

[Actionjax]

poo trip is wasting time, and loosing fuel, all you do when you accept second pax, driving longer back and forth one day I accidentally accepted poo and i got second one surge, I thought I will be ok, it took me to dropped both riders about 50min and I only got $10 I could make 50 minutes in uberx $100, it is wasting time poo will damage your car and take all your fuel away. I will never ever ever accept poo. let the newbie have my poo's request.

How long ago was this? If you haven't tried it in the last few weeks it has gotten better. And Good luck making $100 on uberX in 50 min. Does not happen. Not even mathematically. Not unless you are on some 5X surge. When is the last time you have seen that.

 

[Uber-Dog]

i don't care today or yesterday i will never do it poo u take all my poo requests. i see poo as a fraud or scum

 

[Karl Marx]

OK, just to clear up my other post from yesterday where I said $6 Poo CAN actually be good. What I was trying to say is if it is close and surged it CAN be good. By definition surge means things are busy and you have higher probability of having both matched rides and multiple surged rides. Other than that Poo is terrible do not accept anything else.

There that hopefully clears up:
1) that I don't work for Uber or if I did I'm getting fired so I'm not going in to work anymore
2) that I'm trying to mislead newbies

Now for the math part and why I hate poo, maybe I got this wrong, so anyone please correct if I got this wrong, but this is why I generally hate poo, but it might just be a misunderstanding on my part, and if there are any other Uber employees here please feel free to polish up why poo can be good unless both surged and close.

Lets start with base rate: $.80/km + time (I'll ignore time since it is peanuts and a rounding error)
Uber Toronto basically says discount is anywhere from 10% - 40%, but that essentially busy time (eg. mornings) you can get 40% discount, while less busy times you get 10%, but as a driver you do not know what discount is being applied. So as a usual morning driver I'm going to assume 40% discount applies, because if it is not busy I'm not driving. If it is not busy this also means that it is not surging and low probability of matched ride and therefore Uber 10% cut of fare applies. This means what you probably get in an unsurged ride mornings (ie. no surge, so not busy, so not high probability of matched ride):
.8 x .6 (ie. 40% fare discount) x .9 (ie. 10% uber take) = $.432/km.

Lets say you drive 10min to pax and pax ride is 10min, and driving speed distance covered in both situation is equal. You could effectively be making only $0.216/km (of course it could be slightly better or worse, but regardless from a base of $.432/km things can only be bad). I would wager that after gas, maintenance, insurance, depreciation, your time, etc it is impossible to make that situation economic. You might as well take a timeout and hand out money to whoever walks by.

So there you have it why I don't like poo, and I take a timeout rather than giving unsurged & close poo rides. But the above may be a misunderstanding/math error on my part. But I only take poo when surged and close, and have found in those situations it can be better than X rides (at times even quite a bit better than surged X ride) due to possibility of having multiple matched surged rides.

However, to further refine my "algorithm" of when to accept poo, if my first ride is surged & close that I accepted, if the next one is also not surged I don't accept it. Because then Uber's take jumps from 10% to 30%, so there is no real financial incentive to pickup any other rides. Accepting a 2nd unsurged ping also means things are not that busy so you're even less likely to get a 3rd matched ride. Keeping it to just surged and close improves your chances that your poo experience might be a pleasant one.

I've taken a Single Variable Calculus course as well as a Multivariate but have never taken a Finite Math, you would be a great teacher/textbook author. Thanks for doing all the quantitative work. Yes I understand your twisted logic now. Most people have a gut feeling Pool is not a viable or sustainable driver option but you actually did the proof. Our hats are off to you.

 

[Karem]

Actually last night, I made most of my money on pool. $106 after uber cut from 9:30 PM - 12:30 AM. Got a matched pool trip from Seneca College to Etobicoke (Lakeshore) and got another matched pool from downtown to Mississauga.

As I say. Poo can save the day