[Halfmybrain]

There's a supposed "drafting error" in the legislation. If it's there on purpose, it would mean employees would collect more money from Unemployment, than they would from their job. Duh. Once people CAN return to work, do we want them to choose to stay home and collect instead? That means others, back on our feet, wanting to sit down at restaurants or go to the dentist or see a movie or book a flight--will have incredible wait lines since many places will be understaffed. Returning to work for many would mean a "pay cut."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...enate-coronavirus-bill-over-drafting-n1168766

 

[Jinxstone]

There's a supposed "drafting error" in the legislation. If it's there on purpose, it would mean employees would collect more money from Unemployment, than they would from their job. Duh. Once people CAN return to work, do we want them to choose to stay home and collect instead? That means others, back on our feet, wanting to sit down at restaurants or go to the dentist or see a movie or book a flight--will have incredible wait lines since many places will be understaffed. Returning to work for many would mean a "pay cut."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...enate-coronavirus-bill-over-drafting-n1168766

If that's the case perhaps the real problem is that those workers weren't being paid enough in the first place.

 

[Halfmybrain]

If that's the case perhaps the real problem is that those workers weren't being paid enough in the first place.

That's an issue for another day. We're trying to triage the needs after the Screeching Halt Chinese Virus.

 

[Jinxstone]

That's an issue for another day. We're trying to triage the needs after the Screeching Halt Chinese Virus.

If you're just trying to perform triage against the effects of the virus just pass the bill with the unemployment benefits that will allow workers to pay their rent, other bills and put food on the table. Worrying about them not wanting to go back to work is an issue for another day.

 

[PeAceMaKer769]

Maybe we will see some surge if everyone else is staying home

 

[veblenrules]

If that's the case perhaps the real problem is that those workers weren't being paid enough in the first place.

Ah, the beauty of living in a "right to work" state...

 

[Watup]

Do you guys really think this covid 19 just gonna go away in next few weeks??? In 3 weeks we went from few hundred to 50k plus , number will stop going up if we lucky in may and then recovery time. Look at Italy.

 

[MadTownUberD]

There's a supposed "drafting error" in the legislation. If it's there on purpose, it would mean employees would collect more money from Unemployment, than they would from their job. Duh. Once people CAN return to work, do we want them to choose to stay home and collect instead? That means others, back on our feet, wanting to sit down at restaurants or go to the dentist or see a movie or book a flight--will have incredible wait lines since many places will be understaffed. Returning to work for many would mean a "pay cut."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...enate-coronavirus-bill-over-drafting-n1168766

This illustrates one of the major problems with passing legislation.

 

[UberBeemer]

There's a supposed "drafting error" in the legislation. If it's there on purpose, it would mean employees would collect more money from Unemployment, than they would from their job. Duh. Once people CAN return to work, do we want them to choose to stay home and collect instead? That means others, back on our feet, wanting to sit down at restaurants or go to the dentist or see a movie or book a flight--will have incredible wait lines since many places will be understaffed. Returning to work for many would mean a "pay cut."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...enate-coronavirus-bill-over-drafting-n1168766

Half, I saw Ted Cruz talk about this on CSPAN last night. (B-DUBS had it on in the waiting area, for some reason) and I think this is something that is a rare instance, but being talked of as if it is rampant. Most unemployment benefits are less than half than what your regular pay would be, and are only available for a finite time period. Here in IL, you get 6 months. You used to be able to apply for up to 2 extensions, of 6 months each.

Guys like him just don't want much to go directly to the working citizens, and would prefer to pour money in at the top of the corporate food chain.

This bill was crazy, and more complicated because of its urgency. I normally don't think much of congress, but i think in this case, they are making an effort to resolve what they can. The level of bipartisan work on this was pleasantly surprising.

 

[Halfmybrain]

Do you guys really think this covid 19 just gonna go away in next few weeks??? In 3 weeks we went from few hundred to 50k plus , number will stop going up if we lucky in may and then recovery time. Look at Italy.

The number of US Covid-19 carriers obviously grew rapidly. What we're finding out now doesn't necessarily reflect continued expansion. It's a product of available testing. The experts told us the "numbers" would get higher as testing became common.

Not for purposes of blame, but it would be interesting if they had a sort of Patient(s) Zero map....it seems obvious that NYC had most likely multiple carriers early, and/or of high social contact. Holding on to bus/subway poles, escalators, passing utensils or greeting with handshakes or hugs....

Half, I saw Ted Cruz talk about this on CSPAN last night. (B-DUBS had it on in the waiting area, for some reason) and I think this is something that is a rare instance, but being talked of as if it is rampant. Most unemployment benefits are less than half than what your regular pay would be, and are only available for a finite time period. Here in IL, you get 6 months. You used to be able to apply for up to 2 extensions, of 6 months each.

Guys like him just don't want much to go directly to the working citizens, and would prefer to poyr money in at the too of the corporate food chain.

This bill was crazy, and more complicated because of its urgency. I normally don't think much of congress, but i think in this case, they are making an effort to resolve what they can. The level of bipartisan work on this was pleasantly surprising.

The bill was not complicated because of urgency. Fact: The Senate had a version done days ago. It was complicated because Pelosi added tons of stuff, which I listed previously. The House's input was needed to balance and tweak, but not to morph into the New Green Deal.

The House acted like Black Friday shoppers racing through the store, shoving one another aside to snag the last X-Box, or Cabbage Patch Doll, or whatever.

 

[UberBeemer]

The number of US Covid-19 carriers obviously grew rapidly. What we're finding out now doesn't necessarily reflect continued expansion. It's a product of available testing. The experts told us the "numbers" would get higher as testing became common.

Not for purposes of blame, but it would be interesting if they had a sort of Patient(s) Zero map....it seems obvious that NYC had most likely multiple carriers early, and/or of high social contact. Holding on to bus/subway poles, escalators, passing utensils or greeting with handshakes or hugs....

The only way to map it well is test as many people as we can. South Korea got it right. They aimed for what, 12,000 a day? Our ratio of testing per million residents is woefully low. And without a national stay at home order, we might as well be playing whack a mole for longer than we wanted to.

 

[Halfmybrain]

I hope they stripped a bunch of excess from the bill, especially the pay raise the House of Representatives wanted to lavish upon themselves. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

The only way to map it well is test as many people as we can. South Korea got it right. They aimed for what, 12,000 a day? Our ratio of testing per million residents is woefully low. And without a national stay at home order, we might as well be playing whack a mole for longer than we wanted to.

Dr. Birx has said she relishes data--which is now pouring in--AND is articulate in interpreting it in plain English.

 

[UberBeemer]

The bill was not complicated because of urgency. Fact: The Senate had a version done days ago. It was complicated because Pelosi added tons of stuff, which I listed previously. The House's input was needed to balance and tweak, but not to morph into the New Green Deal.

You're stuck on this red vs blue assessment. The senate bill failed in the senate because it was lacking. It was more strongly in favor of the bulk of assistance going toward the top, with a huge amount set aside in the sole control of the treasury director, without disclosure. It was a bad bill, and, it would have helped you far less.

And please, Pelosi cant introduce bills or even amend them in the senate. Knock it off. It aint pretty, but our congress actually got something done for a change, and it was pretty close to regular order for the first time in years.

 

[PeAceMaKer769]

The number of US Covid-19 carriers obviously grew rapidly. What we're finding out now doesn't necessarily reflect continued expansion. It's a product of available testing. The experts told us the "numbers" would get higher as testing became common.

Not for purposes of blame, but it would be interesting if they had a sort of Patient(s) Zero map....it seems obvious that NYC had most likely multiple carriers early, and/or of high social contact. Holding on to bus/subway poles, escalators, passing utensils or greeting with handshakes or hugs....


The bill was not complicated because of urgency. Fact: The Senate had a version done days ago. It was complicated because Pelosi added tons of stuff, which I listed previously. The House's input was needed to balance and tweak, but not to morph into the New Green Deal.

The House acted like Black Friday shoppers racing through the store, shoving one another aside to snag the last X-Box, or Cabbage Patch Doll, or whatever.

The republicans could have used the democratic bill and done the same thing .... whenever one side starts the other side tweaks ... that is their process ....

 

[quesie]

The number of US Covid-19 carriers obviously grew rapidly. What we're finding out now doesn't necessarily reflect continued expansion. It's a product of available testing. The experts told us the "numbers" would get higher as testing became common.

Not for purposes of blame, but it would be interesting if they had a sort of Patient(s) Zero map....it seems obvious that NYC had most likely multiple carriers early, and/or of high social contact. Holding on to bus/subway poles, escalators, passing utensils or greeting with handshakes or hugs....


The bill was not complicated because of urgency. Fact: The Senate had a version done days ago. It was complicated because Pelosi added tons of stuff, which I listed previously. The House's input was needed to balance and tweak, but not to morph into the New Green Deal.

The House acted like Black Friday shoppers racing through the store, shoving one another aside to snag the last X-Box, or Cabbage Patch Doll, or whatever.

The Senate version had no oversight on the big business bailout and it did not prevent members of the government from profiting. It does now. No one who holds public office and their families/businesses will qualify for aid
Thank you, Pelosi.

 

[EddieG]

 

[veblenrules]

The Senate version had no oversight on the big business bailout and it did not prevent members of the government from profiting. It does now. No one who holds public office and their families/businesses will qualify for aid
Thank you, Pelosi.

Trump's Justice Department has already issued a statement claiming that the Inspector General language and the congressional oversight provisions are only "hortatory" and thus not binding. So the prez signs the bill into law and then claims that parts of it don't apply (at least not to him). I think Trump can't wait to get impeached again. Whatta guy!

 

[bpm45]

The only way to map it well is test as many people as we can. South Korea got it right. They aimed for what, 12,000 a day? Our ratio of testing per million residents is woefully low. And without a national stay at home order, we might as well be playing whack a mole for longer than we wanted to.

If you want to understand something like this through testing, the sample size required is surprisingly small and doesn't increase much as the population of interest goes past 20,000. It depends on the confidence level required and the error rate of the test, but 95% confidence with 5% error rate is just a few hundred.

 

[UberBeemer]

If you want to understand something like this through testing, the sample size required is surprisingly small and doesn't increase much as the population of interest goes past 20,000. It depends on the confidence level required and the error rate of the test, but 95% confidence with 5% error rate is just a few hundred.

I think that works better for polling than it does for a pandemic, though. Part of our current problem stems from an assumption without a robust set of facts.

 

[PeAceMaKer769]

If you want to understand something like this through testing, the sample size required is surprisingly small and doesn't increase much as the population of interest goes past 20,000. It depends on the confidence level required and the error rate of the test, but 95% confidence with 5% error rate is just a few hundred.

That assumes data collection is randomized which it won't be. Testing is self-selected.