Lord Summerisle· Premium Member
They also can't control me not accepting a ride because there may be delays/ bad traffic and I know I won't be paid extra. They're just creating a rod for their own back in this regard. When they hold their drivers in such bad faith, no one is going to go the extra mile for them, quite literally. Why should they?Fair enough, but you knew that you are no longer on the old rate card. Lyft also would have given you the mileage up front, so you knew how many miles you were going. And unless you were brand new to the area and had never driven there, you would know that there was a possibility of traffic jams, accidents, and other factors that cause delays, so no, Lyft shouldn't have to pay you more for factors they can't control.
We are obviously not being paid for time anymore, even though that was supposed to be guaranteed by Prop 22. Isn't this going to come back to haunt them in a future lawsuit?Speaking of creepers, The rider is now only playing 13 cents a minute?
No wonder I'm not getting a bump up in earnings for sitting in traffic and extra 30 minutes. Golly Josh willikers.
It's always been their MO to do it anyway and see you in court later. Which shows their disrespect for everything. They're sociopaths.They are "disruptors". They don't care about following the law they wrote They don't follow the law they didn't write They don't follow the rules they don't follow common sense, they don't follow anything.. not even the yellow brick road.
You are free to think that your time is worth nothing. I value my time highly and refuse to donate it freely to shitbag companies like Uber and Lyft.This is all very reasonable, and I agree that it would be nice if Lyft and Uber made adjustments to upfront fares, which would benefit the driver, just like it would be nice if all passengers were required to give tips. That being said, what you are suggesting here draws a very thin line between being an independent contractor and being an employee.
Above and beyond that, I don't think the driver in this case was born yesterday. I think that the driver in question is probably very familiar with local traffic in the area, which can get quite slow, and come to a crawl at times.
Let's face it, when it comes to estimating drive times, it's a lot easier to get the estimate right when you are dealing with traffic in Nebraska, vs traffic in Los Angeles.
One day, I drove from San Diego to Los Angeles on a SATURDAY afternoon to meet this girl I met online. On the way there, I ran into THREE traffic jams! Took me way longer than I thought it would!
The driver knew how much they were going to get paid upfront. The driver knew how many miles they were going to go, and based on the time of day and driving experience, probably knew roughly how accurate the time estimate might be, and that sometimes, the time estimate is off, especially in Los Angeles traffic, where it's not always possible to quote accurate drive times, especially during certain times of the day.
Life isn't always fair. Sometimes, when this type of stuff happens, you kind of have to just roll with the punches, and be happy with the good that comes out of a specific situation. Or you can complain about it, look only at the negative side of the issue, and be mad and complain that you lost half an hour of your life that you can't get back. Meanwhile, the guy working at the taco truck is thankful for his $10 an hour...making what you made in an hour in a full day of work.
"Life isn't always fair" has no validity in the field of employment law. I'm quite sure not paying drivers for the extra time incurred by delays, traffic, etc, is illegal under Prop 22 and will be challenged in future lawsuits.You didn't "donate" your time. You earned close to $80 an hour. You are not "donating" your time to Uber and Lyft. They are paying you. Just curious, before expenses, how much did you earn from "donating" your time to Uber and Lyft in 2022?
It's completely irrelevant if he's owed $4 or $400, why should he "donate" that to the company.Technically speaking, historically, Uber and Lyft drivers make a majority of their money on mileage and tips, not time. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if my understanding is correct, Uber Comfort drivers in Los Angeles earn roughly 15 cents per minute, which I imagine is pretty close to what the Lyft rates are for a similar vehicle.
So in this case...in which the driver got paid almost $80 an hour for "donating" his time, if Lyft did make an adjustment to compensate for time above what was given in the estimate (29 minutes), the driver would get paid an additional $4.35 for the ride.
Perhaps someone should open up a GoFundMe account to compensate him for his time...
You conveniently focus on an individual but there are in fact thousands of drivers being shorted these amounts which is thousands of dollars blatantly stolen by these criminal organizations posing as legitimate businesses.No. Just stop complaining about how the company did you a huge injustice over a single $5 incident. In reading the original post, you'd think the guy got short changed $50. Also, try to understand the reason why it happened (traffic jams, accidents, etc), and don't be such a big cry baby about it.
And if 10,000 drivers are in the class action that's $100,000 that Lyft has to pay back. These companies love drivers like you that can't see the whole picture.Giving you a time estimate isn't stealing your money. It probably comes from the mapping service the app uses and not the company itself. Estimates aren't always accurate. That's why they are called estimates, which are approximations. But if it's that big of a deal to you, just start a class action lawsuit so you can get your $10 refunded.
I honestly don't know what kind of patsy, what kind of mark when shorted by Lyft thinks well I'll just do another ride for them to make it up. To see these shady companies for what they are is not sulking, whining or being a victim. There's nothing wrong with a positive attitude but you're well in the territory of aiding and abetting their cons.Yeah, all that trouble for a measly $10 per driver. As for the "big picture", I've tried to paint that picture 10 different ways for you, but you can't get past the $10 you think the company owes to you, that you could earn from just one extra 8 minute ride at the end of the night. Do that 20 times a month, and you would end up with an extra $200 bucks per month. Do that for a year, and you would end up with an extra $2,400 per year. Or you can sit here and sulk about the great "injustice" Lyft has done.
It's all about your attitude and your perspective. To one person, the glass is half empty. To another, the glass is half full. To someone who thinks they are a victim, they won't even drink the water in the glass because they think its tainted, not realizing the water comes from the same well they drink out of every day. So there is another picture I've just painted for you...