F lyft
Lyft surge zones at SFO
I've noticed that when it's surging at SFO, you will almost never get a ping with a surge/bonus attached to it because of the way they placed the surge zones. You have to be either in the waiting lot off of Millbrae Ave, or drive through it via 380, 101, or Millbrae, to get the sticky.
It is particularly annoying when you're very close and it looks like a good ride otherwise, especially with a surge that will most likely pay out extra above the advertised sticky amount, but don't want to chance being 100% stiffed on the sticky amount and get $0 ride bonus.
That said, I did once accept a ping from SFO without a bonus attached once, I'm not sure if it was surging at the airport, and once I finished the ride I got a surprise $50-ish surge bonus. That happened ONCE and I'm not about to take a gamble on Lyft being generous (fat chance!!) when I know I can drive a little further and get a guaranteed sticky at least.
Anyone know what I'm talking about? Any experiences to share?
It is particularly annoying when you're very close and it looks like a good ride otherwise, especially with a surge that will most likely pay out extra above the advertised sticky amount, but don't want to chance being 100% stiffed on the sticky amount and get $0 ride bonus.
That said, I did once accept a ping from SFO without a bonus attached once, I'm not sure if it was surging at the airport, and once I finished the ride I got a surprise $50-ish surge bonus. That happened ONCE and I'm not about to take a gamble on Lyft being generous (fat chance!!) when I know I can drive a little further and get a guaranteed sticky at least.
Anyone know what I'm talking about? Any experiences to share?
1 - 19 of 19 Posts
Thanks for your comment.
63 views and no intelligent response
63 views and no intelligent response
Chill out; intelligent response is by no means guaranteed or even expected in this forum.especially with a surge that will most likely pay out extra above the advertised sticky amount
Anyway, to me, Lyft never pays a surge above the surge amount shown on the ping. This is why Lyft always has zero drivers in the lot when it is busy, while Uber will have 10 or 20+.
Uber will share the surge, over and above the listed flat surge amount, on long, high-fare journeys so that Uber keeps 40-50% of the amount paid by the pax less the airport fee and the driver gets 50-60% of the fare. However, Lyft does not and if, for example, the pax pays $150 on a 30 mile trip and Lyft listed the bonus as $5, then $5 extra is all the driver will get.
From what you say, you do get an additional surge share from Lyft, which I find interesting. I believe that most drivers do not, however, given the huge imbalance between the number of drivers prepared to drive Lyft at the airport compared with Uber.
And yes, as you say, Lyft does not offer airport bonuses unless you are near the airport. On busy airport nights, Lyft will start pinging me while I am up to 10 miles away from SFO with base rate pings, just to see if I have had a full frontal lobotomy since my last Lyft SFO ride and will therefore now do airport rides for Lyft for base pay. I decline each of these pings as they come in and then, when I am around 2 - 3 miles from the airport, pings with small bonuses will start to come in, usually in the $3 to $5 range. These also get ignored until I am much closer to the airport, when Lyft increases the bonus to the $7 to $10 range. Whether or not I accept these depends on how many cars there are in the Uber queue - it is a balancing act between getting a lower-paying Lyft ping immediately and waiting in the lot gambling for a big cahoona, long distance, high surge Uber ping.
The additional surge adjustment is very few and far between, and certainly not the norm or expected at all, and typically only happens on medium to long trips only. Whereas even on short trips, with Uber, you can expect some sort of a surge adjustment if you do enough rides in a surge zone, regardless of trip length
Different drivers can have very different experiences on both Uber and Lyft. I, for example, still do not see the Lyft surge map that you see in your app which shows Uber-like surges all over the map. I still get the map which only shows tiny "PPZ" windows, and then only a small part of the time.The additional surgery adjustment is very few and far between, and certainly not the norm or expected at all, and typically only happens on medium to long trips only. Whereas even on short trips, with Uber, you can expect some sort of a surge adjustment if you do enough rides in a surge zone, regardless of trip length
On Uber, I get additional surge share on longer rides, but never on shorter rides, which just pay out the surge listed on the ping. And, as I mentioned, I never get additional surge share from Lyft. Which means that I, in return, never do Lyft airport rides greater than 20 minutes' duration.
From what I can tell, Uber seems to simply give you the remainder after their 40% cut and marketplace fee, on surge rides, as the surge adjustment.
Lyft on the other hand, I can't make any sense of it, no rhyme or reason, I have seen them take way more than 40% numerous times and not give me any surge adjustment at all beyond the piddly sticky amount (based on what the pax told or showed me they were charged), and then I've also seen them take "only" 40%-50% and give me like a $30 - $70 adjustment
Lyft on the other hand, I can't make any sense of it, no rhyme or reason, I have seen them take way more than 40% numerous times and not give me any surge adjustment at all beyond the piddly sticky amount (based on what the pax told or showed me they were charged), and then I've also seen them take "only" 40%-50% and give me like a $30 - $70 adjustment
Most of the surge adjustments on Lyft were from airport surge rides that were medium+ length. I've had a couple from some events in the city late night surges that were barely medium length (like from that warehouse all the way out at the end of Cesar Chavez to Russian Hill)
New Lyft surge map, Lyft surge uplifts - you are clearly one of the chosen ones!Most of the surge adjustments on Lyft were from airport surge rides that were medium+ length. I've had a couple from some events in the city late night surges that were barely medium length (like from that warehouse all the way out at the end of Cesar Chavez to Russian Hill)
I didn't mean to make it sound like the surge adjustments are a regular thing. it is certainly far from it, but has happened technically.
With Uber, I'm not even surprised when I see it, I almost take it for granted. On Lyft, I almost fall out of my seat when I see even the slightest adjustment
With Uber, I'm not even surprised when I see it, I almost take it for granted. On Lyft, I almost fall out of my seat when I see even the slightest adjustment
Gotta love the SF forum, nearly 200 views and no responses besides fish
Because veterans know to stay away from SFO Lot
You're right they circle SOMA/FiDi instead and cry about how slow it is when everyone else is crushing.
Btw no one is talking about going to the waiting lot. There is no problem getting the sticky amount from the waiting lot, as I've specified.
It's only when you're NOT at the lot, or certain parts of Millbrae Ave, 101 or 380 and getting pings from the 5th floor garage, when the pings don't have any bonus attached to them.
I've noticed pings from the international departures level 2nd curb do have bonuses attached.
Btw no one is talking about going to the waiting lot. There is no problem getting the sticky amount from the waiting lot, as I've specified.
It's only when you're NOT at the lot, or certain parts of Millbrae Ave, 101 or 380 and getting pings from the 5th floor garage, when the pings don't have any bonus attached to them.
I've noticed pings from the international departures level 2nd curb do have bonuses attached.
Get an Artichoke Joe's car wrap
They won't sponsor me, ever since I outed them for using goose meat in their duck buffet
So here is yet another one....
A surge ride on Uber, where an extra stop or destination is added that increases the original fare, will almost always, near certainly increase the surge amount.
Primarily because the fare is going up for the pax and since Uber will not take more than 40% after booking fee, that generally means the remainder is going to generate a larger surge amount.
So when pax wants to add a stop or edit the destination on a surge ride, I generally welcome it.
Well, not necessarily so on Lyft, as pretty much expected and to no one's surprise.
Had a ride originating from Hayes Valley to Duboce Triangle area, with a $6 sticky. At the destination, I noticed one of them doesn't leave and the others say bye to her. Then I realize she is going to a second stop, which they didn't add.
Now if I knew that I wouldn't be compensated any extra beyond original sticky + added base rate distance/time, I certainly would have just swiped end ride and played dumb. Especially if it's going to take me away from surge zone. And ESPECIALLY if it's out somewhere that's likely not going to net a quick trip back to surge zone.
But, I took a gamble and let them add an extra stop with half way hopes of getting a nice surge out of it. Going to Mission Terrace area which is significantly farther than the original trip.
Drop off. No extra sounds. Confirmed nothing extra on surge.
Never doing it again.
Disclaimer: I do realize that not every ride from a bonus zone is necessarily a surge ride, even on Uber. But this was smack dab deep in the middle of a bonus/surge area, during a heavy bonus time. I had high hopes but got screwed yet again. Sure enough dead mile back and surge died down considerably.
F LYFT
A surge ride on Uber, where an extra stop or destination is added that increases the original fare, will almost always, near certainly increase the surge amount.
Primarily because the fare is going up for the pax and since Uber will not take more than 40% after booking fee, that generally means the remainder is going to generate a larger surge amount.
So when pax wants to add a stop or edit the destination on a surge ride, I generally welcome it.
Well, not necessarily so on Lyft, as pretty much expected and to no one's surprise.
Had a ride originating from Hayes Valley to Duboce Triangle area, with a $6 sticky. At the destination, I noticed one of them doesn't leave and the others say bye to her. Then I realize she is going to a second stop, which they didn't add.
Now if I knew that I wouldn't be compensated any extra beyond original sticky + added base rate distance/time, I certainly would have just swiped end ride and played dumb. Especially if it's going to take me away from surge zone. And ESPECIALLY if it's out somewhere that's likely not going to net a quick trip back to surge zone.
But, I took a gamble and let them add an extra stop with half way hopes of getting a nice surge out of it. Going to Mission Terrace area which is significantly farther than the original trip.
Drop off. No extra sounds. Confirmed nothing extra on surge.
Never doing it again.
Disclaimer: I do realize that not every ride from a bonus zone is necessarily a surge ride, even on Uber. But this was smack dab deep in the middle of a bonus/surge area, during a heavy bonus time. I had high hopes but got screwed yet again. Sure enough dead mile back and surge died down considerably.
F LYFT
It wouldn't surprise me even in the very slightest if on the pax end they were charged upwards of 3-4x the original fare at multiplied rate.
F Lyft is actually the most intelligent response you will receive, other than of course F Lyft and Uber.Thanks for your comment.
63 views and no intelligent response
Save yourself and get a job that is not a dead end. McDonalds would be a massive step up from ridesharing. You could work your way up the ladder there and make 1000 fold what you would make with ridesharing. Just about everyone here will agree. Think about that for a bit.
I only drive for the fun of it so I never look at my payout. It pays for car maintenance and depreciation which is all I expect. I have a day job. Im over 40 so driving around and chatting with people is fun for me. I also have a sporty imported audi with a manual trans. If I get booted off it will be because of speed complaints.... I would never expect good pay or positive income from this. I encourage everyone to get a good job and life outside of rideshare if you are here to make a living.
Yet you're still on a rideshare forum preaching...
1 - 19 of 19 Posts
- This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Uber Drivers Forum
A forum community dedicated to Uber drivers and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about taxes, documents, visas, travel, car care, finances, banking, maintenance, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!
Full Forum Listing
Explore Our Forums
Top Contributors this Month
View All
_Tron_
352 Replies
tohunt4me
340 Replies
oaktowndriver
335 Replies
Recommended Communities
