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Why don't they move down here and drive cabs? Cab drivers down here claim they are making a lot of money down here only driving 6 hour shifts because they dont have to work 12 hours because of all the money they make
 
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That's an astonishing story!

The next thing you know, people will stop riding trains and fly in airplanes instead! I heard there was also a company talking about making common items out of something called plastic instead of wood.

The world has gone crazy.
 

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As flawed as the medallion system is Uber is worse for the driver's.

It wasn't the cost of the medallions it was Uber undercutting the marketplace and charging the customers a fraction of a Taxi rate in most cities.

And drivers willing to drive on X and the various schemes Uber invented to grab the equity out of ones vehicle and soul.
 

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As long as crooked politicians allow two distinct sets of rules no one will benefit.

For Uber, it's an investor fueled waiting game: Can they outlast the legitimate for hire industry and the legal system before the money runs out.

For the taxi industry, it's squeeze as much out of the drivers while resisting any significant change in how they do business with drivers.

For local politicians, they got a small taste but have been kicked to the curb in favor of statewide "regulation".

For state politicians they believe they have a generous new pal while blissfully ignoring its history.

For passengers, they are playing with fire with an empty extinguisher, willfully ignoring the safety and insurance issues. And higher rates.

For drivers, all one need do is comb through these forums.

For the five known suicides our hearts break. I know the feeling. I, too, lost everything and teeter back and forth on the edge.

In the following post I have included Doug Schifter's final letter (as he wrote it). If you have not read it, please do.
 

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To those it may concern,

I have been financially ruined because three politicians destroyed my industry and livelihood and Corporate NY stole my services at rates far below fair levels. I worked 100-120 consecutive hours almost every week for the past fourteen plus years. When the industry started in 1981, I averaged 40-50 hours. I cannot survive any longer with working 120 hours! I am not a Slave and I refuse to be one.

Companies do not care how they abuse us just so the executives get their bonuses. They have not paid us fair rates for some time now. Due to the huge numbers of cars available with desperate drivers trying to feed their families they squeeze rates to below operating costs and force professionals like me out of business. They count their money and we are driven down into the streets we drive becoming homeless and hungry. I will not be a slave working for chump change. I would rather be dead.

Bloomberg, deBlasio and Andrew Cuomo have each had their part in destroying a once thriving industry. There are over 100,000 of us suffering daily now. It is the new slavery. The politicians flooded the streets with Black Cars and Taxis. I warned them four years ago in my Column in the Black Car News. I told them why it would destroy the industry, how it would destroy the industry and they kept doing it anyway ignoring everything and everybody. I warned of the impending collapse of the yellow medallions more than a year before it happened. No one stopped it. That old law was working and it was there to prevent exactly what Cuomo Allowed. The control of the numbers of taxi medallions was never supposed to return to the Mayor.

Bloomberg started everything by appealing to Albany to remove the law limiting taxis in NYC. It was in place for over one hundred years and worked! It was there for a reason. It took away control from local politicians. It limited competition so in bad times everyone still made a good living. Now there are too many feeding off the same pie and there is not enough for every one.

All that is needed now for a total disaster is a serious downturn in the economy reducing riders and there will be at least a half million people hit hard. Downturns always come. It is a certainty and a matter of time. History will repeat itself.

With 100,000 families and counting spouses and dependents and peripheral professionals and their families dependent on the drivers there must easily be a half million people that depend on income from this profession now. Bloomberg added 18,000 unneeded green cabs. That took more business away from Black and Yellow Cabs. He mandated a freeze on processing replacement Black Cars just as I had to replace mine. I was lucky, it only took only nine weeks to get mine done. I lost the entire busy season before Christmas. I had to buy and insure the vehicle before I could register it so I could also then license it. TLC would not process my application because they wanted their $75 inspection fee for a brand new car out of the showroom in addition to the state inspection already performed. I paid the loan and the insurance for more than two months before I saw any income. That cost between $20,000 and $30,000 and was a serious loss. I never recovered from the delay. My meager savings destroyed. I did manage to put something away but my financial cushion never developed. deBlasio stopped a traffic study on the impact of Uber. That would have revealed the true traffic impact of so many cars and shown the need to freeze car levels. There seems to be a strong bias by the Mayor and Governor in favor of Uber. A Company that is a known liar, cheat and thief. Cuomo allowed the removal of controls and allowed unlimited cars on the road. Cuomo also placed State Troopers in NYC to patrol and issue moving violations. This never happened before in my lifetime. He has turned the city into a police state.

We are being destroyed by our Government individually as well as an industry. When will they realize what they are doing to us? What does it take to bring us the attention we need to stop the Government?

Why is the Government destroying people's lives? The Government is supposed to help the people not destroy them!

When will everybody awaken to the dangers?

I know I am doing all I can the rest is up to you. Wake up and resist!

As for our industry;

There was always meant to be numbers of cars below the demand. That was the guarantee of a steady income.

Now the politicians have flooded the streets with unlimited cars and some 3000 new ones every month still coming. There is not enough work for everybody that pays a living. This is SLAVERY NOW.

They are destroying many thousands of families financially. I don't know how else to try to make a difference other than a public display of a most private affair. No one listened to the warnings in my column or changed anything.

I am not a new driver and I was the most skilled and experienced driver to my knowledge in the business. I had almost 5 million miles experience, driven through five hurricanes and over 50 deep snow and blizzard conditions. I have driven over 100 world famous celebrities including Michael Bloomberg's daughters and mother, the family of the man who destroyed me. A 44 year ultimate professional. I was a top chauffeur with the greatest limo company of all time. I was also a street legend in the industry over forty years ago. Passengers I never saw before told me about my reputation. More than a few saw incredible feats of driving. I didn't just fall off the Turnip Truck. I was the best and did not deserve to be ruined by stupid greedy uncaring politicians.

I have no more health insurance and am not enjoying good health.

No more vehicle as my GM engine failed twice this year as well as the transmission.

No more income to pay bills and maxed out credit cards I cannot pay.

I will lose my house and everything else.

I see no point to continue trying.

What is happening to our Country where the Government now destroys the people? We are not a government of the People, by the People and for the People any more. We are turning into a Government of the People, by the Corporation for the Rich. People are becoming enslaved and destroyed by politicians and companies with the aid of the rich and the corporations they control. They are doing it by bypassing the Laws or manipulating them. America is being stolen. Your future and your families future is being stolen right now.

The whole purpose of life is to learn, teach and love.

To care for each other and better our souls but the people are being enslaved. This is against G-d. He is about love and freedom and unity of spirit. This effort to enslave the population working for less and less continuing to erode the good life we are supposed to have is going to destroy America. All the benefits are going to the wealthy and super wealthy few instead of the great mass of His Children (The People).

It is against all of our standards as Americans. Politicians are now destroying this Country and the people in it. This is partially because we allow legal bribery through campaign donations. The people are losing control of Government and Government is not supposed to hurt the People. The Republican party is doing most of the damage. Government has been corrupted by democrats too. It is nearly impossible to get fair treatment in New York City adjudication courts. Parking and moving violations are completely corrupted. So is the appeals process. Add an ambitious cop who is willing to lie a little and the system is a total shakedown process threatening your rights and happiness.

We are being shaken down by politicians who sell out to the biggest contributors to their greed and power. The Taxi Commission overburdens us with unending over-regulation and astronomical fines and hassles. They do not consider the impact of their actions or care.

We are on an increasing downward spiral toward loss of liberties and happiness. We are not doing enough to fight ignorance and hatred. We are not a great country if we cannot afford to care for those in need. We are not a great country if we allow Politicians to destroy lives. We are not a great country if we allow hatred of others because of where they were born or who they are.

Forget about great country....we are not even good people if we do not care for others in need. Most of the civilized world cares for their own except here where republicans who do not need more money to survive seek to get all they can get from companies and the rich and then take away all they can from the people.

Please do no harm to others. You will create equal problems for yourself. ( also paraphrasing the words of Christ). Karma is very real.

Remember Love is His greatest gift and you can take it with you and that Hatred is the path of evil. Promote love and squash hate.

I hope with the public sacrifice I make now that some attention to the plight of the drivers and the people will be done to save them and it will have not have been in vain and also that we must stop what is happening to Government while we still have one we can vote out. There is no choice. America is under attack by Russia. They do not need weapons. They bought their influence.

It is too late for me so who is next? Maybe you and yours? Everyone needs to fix this now.

Fight the Treasonous Republicans. Resist!

Government of all the People, by all the People and for all the People forever!

Douglas Schifter
 

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In most cities, the taxi industry is the very definition of political corruption. But when the corruption turns the other way...it's a huge injustice! :eek:

Is there corruption involved in rideshare? Of course there is -- just like with taxi corruption. Just right now, rideshare corruption is more effective than taxi corruption. No difference in the nature of the beasts -- Uber is just better at it!

This discussion is like the Marlins or Dolphins complaining about the officials when the real problem is that their team sucks.
 

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The problem really is it's not worth fixing even that taxi king unloaded all his medallions in new York city.

I don't see drivers making anything in 15 years in major cities at least. Maybe if you move to ocala you got a future driving
 

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Uber has been subsidizing fares since their inception. The model doesn't work.

We live in a capitalist society not socialist so Uber if thier going to survive must raise the rates.

The notion theirs a endless supply of drivers loosing money, and equally spending investors capitiol with no return in sight, is a short lived notion.

By the Winter of 2019 expect changes in the Tnc landscape.

Why? Well there's only so much Capitol to burn through and the same goes with Uber driver's.

What Uber has done is criminal, breaking every law along the way. Hopefully they someday have to take responsibility for the damage they have inflicted on thousands of livery professionals.

The medallion system was pretty stupid, but Uber actually has created a even dumber platform.
 

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The medallion system was pretty stupid, but Uber actually has created a even dumber platform.
The medallion system was created to prevent exactly what is happening now, unlimited cars with limited work.

Local and state governments had the opportunity to require significant but not insurmountable requirements of drivers and vehicles, minus a medallion (permit). Instead they all opted for the brown paper sack hidden behind a bus bench.*

Consider the amount of available work as a pie. All the small slices were crushed by TNCs, leaving crumbs for all.

* A bribe, for those arriving late.
 

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Uber has been subsidizing fares since their inception. The model doesn't work.

We live in a capitalist society not socialist so Uber if thier going to survive must raise the rates.

The notion theirs a endless supply of drivers loosing money, and equally spending investors capitiol with no return in sight, is a short lived notion.

By the Winter of 2019 expect changes in the Tnc landscape.

Why? Well there's only so much Capitol to burn through and the same goes with Uber driver's.

What Uber has done is criminal, breaking every law along the way. Hopefully they someday have to take responsibility for the damage they have inflicted on thousands of livery professionals.

The medallion system was pretty stupid, but Uber actually has created a even dumber platform.
Uber has been increasing fares
 

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If we can be serious for a moment, I have never seen any indication of Uber bribing anyone here locally -- not that any politicians would mind. Uber attacked the taxi corruption industry in several ways, probably realizing the corruption was too entrenched to be re-corrupted by a new group.
  • Uber simply ignored the restraint-of-trade regulations which sought to restrict taxi-like services. Rather than getting in a bidding war for politicians' love, Uber simply established their business, hired a bunch of drivers, and made their customers happy.
  • Once established, Uber had an army of happy customers and (at that time) drivers. Whenever there was political conflict, Uber would bring that army who would say meaningful things to the politicians like, "They may pay you, but WE VOTE. And we will throw your butts out if you mess with us." Politicians predictably caved.
  • When they ran into too many pockets of entrenched corruption at the local level, Uber took matters to the state level. There is nothing new about this approach; good government activists have been using it for years. They left the corrupt taxi systems in place to wither on their own, but created a fair competitive landscape for rideshare.
There is nothing really new, or even unusual, about the development of rideshare or the effect on the taxi industry. Hundreds of industries have been disrupted by new technology and new operating methods since the dawn of time.

Taxis are no different, and there is nothing special about taxis -- they're just so 1950. If taxi drivers got hurt, they got hurt much more by the crooked taxi owners than by Uber. And they're in good company -- there are hundreds of outdated industries who have fallen to progress and innovation. Taxi drivers just whine more.
 

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Sometimes in other threads but mostly sarcasm jokes or garbage I admit

Just block me if it bothers you that much
 
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