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Yeah, that's hilarious that anybody actually believes this or expects others to believe it. Nobody is doing rideshare to just give people rides along the path they were already going, please. We are a taxi service.
If you dont need extra money, please dont drive for Uber or Lyft
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Its taxi service. Not rideshare...no one is sharing shit. Gypsy cabs ..100%
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Imma get the shifts and territories sign up sheet started in a separate thread.
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What criteria are you using to decide who does and does not need extra money, most working people need extra money no matter what their annual income is because most of us live at our income level, who doesn't need to have extra money in the bank, who doesn't have credit cards they need to pay off sooner, our car payment they need to pay off sooner are upgrade their insurance coverage, I for example have 100k/300k coverage $250 deductible, who doesn't need extra money so they can go on a nice vacation or have a good time when they go out Friday and Saturday night,
I saw your comment about working around your son's schedule, so are you posting because having a hard time making any money in Uber and lyft, your issues maybe your schedule, you have to work when it's busy, I know some people like to say I like uber and Lyft cuz I can work when I want to, that's not actually true as I said you have to work when it's busy, you couldn't for example open a dress store work 6 days a week 8 hours a day 40 hours a week and open 10pm to 6am,
Are you in a good market for Uber and lyft, do you actually know how to cherry pick trips,
do you know the difference between mileage based earnings and hourly based earnings, there are people out here for example renting a car for Uber and Lyft with unlimited mileage but they still think in terms of mileage-based pay, when they should only be thinking in hourly base pay because they are renting a car it is not their depreciation and they are not going to sell the car and they do not have to repair it or buy tires,
are you using both Uber and Lyft do you know how to use them both together, it takes more to make money in Uber and Lyft than just turning on the app and selecting any ping.
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It's not bullshit, it's a fact. If you cant understand that simple fact and wish to alter reality to fit you imagination then that's up to you.
I do agree when there is an undersupply of drivers and customers that it may seem it's a taxi service but the fact is it only pays one way, with a heavy volume of drivers and customers the trips are daisy chained one right after another with the driver given two free directional trips per day.
The system is designed to handle huge volume, in preparation for future overcrowding. This is WHY it's gotten approval at higher levels of government overriding local taxi monopolies.
Maybe where you are you don't have enough volume to see it in action.
Problem with taxis is humans can't handle too much volume of dispatching calls, the system needed to be automated. So right there the taxi companies failed to CHANGE.
Remember all those billboards asking people to carpool etc? What better way to reduce congestion than to utilize those empty seats people are driving around with.
That is the goal, that is the mission. That's the purpose of ridesharing.
I don't give a flying ratts ass how long you have been here or how many posts you have. This info comes from Uber itself because I had a nice healthy discussion with one of their own people as I came from a taxi background.
It's a different way of thinking and its gig oriented which 94% of the drivers get it as they do it less than 40 hours a week. Why the pay sucks too.
Since your a Luddite there is no reason why I should bother reading your posts any longer. As a former taxi driver I've moved on, I understand the risks of ridesharing, an over abundance of drivers, but I provide exceptional service that I've built up my own clientele despite being flooded with ants.
So bye now!
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Actually the ants are to blame. The company is in business to make money. So long as their are people who will take the crap fares and work for nothing the companies are not going to pay more. Their shareholders won’t let them.
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Bro...
How many people do you think drive from disney world to the Orlando airport between 4:00 and 7:00 am by themself that are using uber to make some money on their drive in to work?
How many uber/taxi fares do you think go between Disney World and the Orlando airport between 4:00 am and 7:00 am?
This is one example in one city.
ANother huge example is the Airport queus. You can't even do DF in the airport queus it all. it can't be done.
Ridesharing as a method of reducing congestion has been proven to be a 100% lie. it has actually increased congestion in cities. It's a known phenomenon. No one ever took uber Poop or Gryft slime pings. The customers didn't take them in enough quantity to get a match enough of the time to cancel out the empty miles that uber/lyft drivers driver on a dail basis.
Plus there's the other little detail that your forgetting.
The damn DF doesn't even work. I know no one is using it to get pings on the way to work because it's useless for that task.
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As the technology evolves I wouldn't be surprised if the alogrithm learns ones daily driving habits, acceptance criteria and provides reservations to match. In fact when we first got reservations I was getting ones 300 miles away from my house, which I took the very first one only because by shear luck I was going there for a root canal. Since then the alogrithm has gotten smarter, knows I won't go 30 minutes to take a long run away from my house as it won't pay me for those 30 minutes. Coming back sure. Now it gives me local reservations mainly, so it appears there is some AI going on.Bro...
How many people do you think drive from disney world to the Orlando airport between 4:00 and 7:00 am by themself that are using uber to make some money on their drive in to work?
How many uber/taxi fares do you think go between Disney World and the Orlando airport between 4:00 am and 7:00 am?
This is one example in one city.
ANother huge example is the Airport queus. You can't even do DF in the airport queus it all. it can't be done.
Ridesharing as a method of reducing congestion has been proven to be a 100% lie. it has actually increased congestion in cities. It's a known phenomenon. No one ever took uber Poop or Gryft slime pings. The customers didn't take them in enough quantity to get a match enough of the time to cancel out the empty miles that uber/lyft drivers driver on a dail basis.
Plus there's the other little detail that your forgetting.
The damn DF doesn't even work. I know no one is using it to get pings on the way to work because it's useless for that task.
Yes a driver cannot set a Directional trip at an airport, however I've submitted a feature request to Uber that if a driver is dropping off at an airport from a long trip and wants a return trip of substantial length back towards home, if it has one, that it should give it to that driver, within a certain time frame naturally.
The directional trip feature is woking better than it did before.
I look at things this way, *****ing and moaning about Uber isn't going to make them go away, so work with what you have, make it better or go do something else.
It wasn't all roses in the taxi business neither, at least we don't have to answer all their goddam questions to get a trip. 😁
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It only pays one way. Enough to cover costs and a small profit.
You have to set a Directional or hope you get something back towards your home to cover your costs or you deadhead and take a loss. Why many drivers decline long trips because the odds of getting something back is about zero.
What taxi.company operates at a loss? One that isn't in business for long.
Taxi companies know to charge enough one way to pay for the costs of returning the vehicle to the shop, Uber doesn't do that because it's utilizing someone who is already going that way anyway.
Yes it's mean to ignorant drivers but they will learn soon enough.
Do you know that the rideshare profit is so small that it takes three miles with a customer paying to pay for one mile deadheading?
The reason so many drivers ***** is because they are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. They are trying to be a taxi service. Sure the money looks great but it all goes out the window when costs roll around.
If a driver is not in a niche markets he/she needs to move on to another income source. It's a gig job, deal with it and survive
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There is supposed to be ants. Lots and lots of ants. So many ants that it can handle just about any volume that appears.
Think about all the people who think, "Hey, if I run this app and take a few people once in awhile, I can write off all my vehicle mileage on my taxes!"
We are ants. Rejoice and be glad in it.
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I totally disagree, what do you think would happen if there was absolutely no minimum wage for any job, it was just whatever the market would bear, would you blame all the workers doing the everyday normal jobs for 5, 6, 7 more or less per hour would you say it's their fault,
And don't forget in Rideshare there is a high turnover of drivers, there is no one to explain them how to properly work Uber and Lyft especially if they're in a good market, you have ants in good Market working 50 hour week for example taking every trip that comes, and nobody to explain it and they can cherry pick still sitting in car maybe 40 50 60 hours but only have 25 30 or 35 booked hours and still make the same amount of money there's no manual for them,
There's a thread here on this site that I was in a few days ago where I basically showed that I earned $60 per hour booked time of 25 hours, but inactive time was 50 hours plus and what was the reply back from several of the members of this site oh I would rather keep moving than to sit like that because my time is valuable.
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I feel like the OP has a good work ethic and I applaud that aspect of this post. They claim if you make $100k you shouldn't be driving rideshare too. Probably 1% of the people making that much money would do this so it won't even matter too much if they listened to the OP.
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I think the op is being an A-hole, great I got that out my system I feels good,
I don't know how someone can judge someone's needs for extra money extra income by what is stated on their W-2, cuz someone makes 100K a year we have no idea what their needs are and what they're doing with that money, maybe they have a $4,000 or $5,000 a month mortgage maybe they're putting away money to put kids in college, maybe they have a big insurance policy they pay on, someone's needs extra needs based on their income is none of our business.
My barber told me that one of her regular customers retired with financial security and decided to do Uber part time just because he enjoys interacting with people and thought that would be a good way to do it. I replied, "Better than sitting around in a bar all day" and she laughed and agreed. I can think of a similar situation in which someone who makes a good living in an office job, or is retired, chooses to be a handyman on TaskRabbit just because they enjoy doing some manual labor or interacting with people that way. As Johnny1 says above, blame the companies, not the other drivers, for the pay. It's possible that the ridesharing concept may turn out not to be financially viable or scalable. Or maybe Lyft and Uber need to cut some of their inflated corporate staffs like Musk just did with Twitter. You have to let the market shake things out, because it always will, eventually.
I'll second the notion that you shouldn't rely on gig work as a permanent full-time job, unless it requires a particular skill, like TaskRabbit. For full-time employment, unless you're disabled or retired, you should develop a skill and competence at it, such as learning a trade or getting a degree for a salaried office job. There's a huge shortage of electricians in the northern Virginia area, for example. There's such a shortage in the trades in many places in the US that the union or certain companies will pay for your training and certifications.
@ObeyTheNumbers Rideshare huh ? Why if it’s rideshare and it’s supposed to be going one way why does it continue to send me trips once I complete the first one? often in other directions and to other parts of the city ? Heck, lyft will work you to death if you don’t turn it off since it needs someone to answer all these unprofitable trips it sends out.
This is a ********* dispatch service.
The history of Uber as I recall…Travis originally termed it Ubercab. He then dropped cab from the name to get around regulation and state that they were a tech company and weren’t beholden to the same regulation as a cab company. It was started as a black car service in San Francisco and he later launched Uberx.
Uber/ Lyft have done a great job of PR and they commissioned a lot of early studies surrounding drunk driving and public safety in order to get early wins. The truth is more nuanced than what they were putting out and a lot of cities are now having to asses the impact of rideshare from a public policy perspective. Everything from congestion to labor practices.
The pay has gone down only because the companies have to deliver positive results to their shareholders. Charging the passengers more while squeezing a workforce that has zero ability to collective bargain and thus 100% reliant on the company for income is the easiest way to do it. There’s no surprise Uber just delivered a positive outlook and their stock price just rose.
As far as the original posters comment it sounds like a typical whiny millennial. Me, me , me. I need to do this because I need to be free for my kids whatever. ( I am a millennial so don’t call me a boomer) As long as you’re labor you can never have enough money in your pocket. I don’t care how much money I make it won’t ever be enough. Could I do something else sure…but I’m not interested in deliverable or a project that requires a commitment. I suggest you level up your skills and use this as a bridge to something better.
I read something the other day since this ASU college Tuition launched only around 100 drivers or family members have taken advantage of it.
This is a ********* dispatch service.
The history of Uber as I recall…Travis originally termed it Ubercab. He then dropped cab from the name to get around regulation and state that they were a tech company and weren’t beholden to the same regulation as a cab company. It was started as a black car service in San Francisco and he later launched Uberx.
Uber/ Lyft have done a great job of PR and they commissioned a lot of early studies surrounding drunk driving and public safety in order to get early wins. The truth is more nuanced than what they were putting out and a lot of cities are now having to asses the impact of rideshare from a public policy perspective. Everything from congestion to labor practices.
The pay has gone down only because the companies have to deliver positive results to their shareholders. Charging the passengers more while squeezing a workforce that has zero ability to collective bargain and thus 100% reliant on the company for income is the easiest way to do it. There’s no surprise Uber just delivered a positive outlook and their stock price just rose.
As far as the original posters comment it sounds like a typical whiny millennial. Me, me , me. I need to do this because I need to be free for my kids whatever. ( I am a millennial so don’t call me a boomer) As long as you’re labor you can never have enough money in your pocket. I don’t care how much money I make it won’t ever be enough. Could I do something else sure…but I’m not interested in deliverable or a project that requires a commitment. I suggest you level up your skills and use this as a bridge to something better.
I read something the other day since this ASU college Tuition launched only around 100 drivers or family members have taken advantage of it.
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I worked an office job several of them no thanks never again, and as far as getting a trade if the person's in their late teens or twenties better pick the right trade cuz in a few decades or maybe three some of the trade jobs are going to be replaced by AI robots, welcome Mr Robo plumber and Mr Robo electrician and Mr Robo LVN.
No matter how automated some processes become, there will always be a need for a human to intercede to correct things when the automated process fails:
Assistance button - Metro ticket vending machine in Japan - YouTube
If you don't like working in an office, pick a trade that is in high demand in your area and go with it. Or, move to an area that is short of a particular trade. Like I said, in my area electricians are in such short supply that there is a two-week wait to get one over to your house to fix something. There's such a shortage of plumbers that some are starting to charge $500 an hour for their services.
I left the D.C. area in 2021 but still have clients there.
One is an HVAC company in Springfield. They'd kill to get good young people to be techs. They pay well and offer great benefits but "the kids these days" want to code.
God forbid they get their hands dirty.
Plumbers are printing money.
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If there was no minimum wage then companies would pay the least amount workers would accept. Kinda like rideshare. So long as workers keep accepting unprofitable offers then that is the most companies will pay.
Whine all you want about what an ethical company should do, that ain’t gonna happen.
Until drivers stop accepting unprofitable offers the earnings are not going to go up.
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