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It appears we are all about to get bent over HARD and Uber will be lining their pockets with money that used to go to us

They implemented a new Surge policy as a test in Charlotte NC and now have moved it to 5 other cities to expand the test. The rumor is it is going nationwide late August early September.

The gist of it they are getting rid of the Multiplier for the drivers and going to a flat dollar rate. You drive into the surge area and your next ride to get the highest dollar rate applied to your next ride......but ONLY IF

Your app was online
You dont reject a ride
You don't go offline
You don't change your ride preferences
You dont cancel a ride

If you do any of those things you don't get the surge bonus

It seems the best you can really get is a 10-15 dollar bonus added on......but most of the time is is a lot less. So gone will be the days of the 4.0x surge....X or XL ride for 17 minutes that got you 35 bucks. Now you will get your normal fare plus maybe 5 bucks

It will KILL the late night bar scene.... no more medium distance surge rides that make your night. New Years Eve is destroyed..... Event Surges are ruined

But here is the REAL KICKER (as if this wasn't bad enough)

Uber is only changing it for us drivers

The are still charging the normal multiplier for the Pax and pocketing all the extra for themselves

So most of the time when your doing a surge ride, uber will be making MORE per ride then you will be.....some times the split will be reversed with Uber getting 75% to your 25%

Look at the Charlotte city forum for mind melting horrible examples

They are literally reaching into our pockets and stealing money from us now. They are giving us no incentive to stay out for the bar scene because we would simply be working for them.... not ourselves.

Forget service dogs....payday loans.... cleaning tips

This should be the #1 subject on the agenda going forward..... we are about to get really screwed
 

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Yup.. Uber fought back against all the drivers ‘gaming’ surge, and the drivers have lost..
Now the drivers will figure out ways to game this new system for a few extra pennies, and Uber will fight back, making it even worse..
Before you know it, all the “career” drivers will be gone and all that will be left is “side gig” drivers.. Just like Uber wants..

As to your question “why isnt this the main thing we are talking about?” - Because talking about the weather doesn’t change it.
 

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Yup.. Uber fought back against all the drivers 'gaming' surge, and the drivers have lost..
Now the drivers will figure out ways to game this new system for a few extra pennies, and Uber will fight back, making it even worse..
Before you know it, all the "career" drivers will be gone and all that will be left is "side gig" drivers.. Just like Uber wants..

As to your question "why isnt this the main thing we are talking about?" - Because talking about the weather doesn't change it.
The crazy thing is they shouldn't have cared if we gamed the surge.....created a surge by waiting offline. They made more money if we did.....now they see a way to take most of the surge rates for themselves
 

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The crazy thing is they shouldn't have cared if we gamed the surge.....created a surge by waiting offline. They made more money if we did.....now they see a way to take most of the surge rates for themselves
You truly do not understand Ubers motivations. They serve the customer. They need critical mass....critical coverage first ...before they work on profit. The surge games drove tons of pax to alternatives. Uber has to burn so many employees on handling airport BS etc... Big waste of time.

Uber isnt out to screw drivers. Uber will even take a certain level of games. But Uber cares deeply for the pax and they will defend that experience.
 

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It's not getting a lot of posts because it's become expected. First upfront pricing, then they raise rider rates while paying us the same. Last week they increase the booking fee by a quarter, now they change surge pricing. Each time they make more, we make the same or less. They treat their drivers like crap , and will continue to do so as long as they have enough drivers. We can complain all day and night but until another company that treats us better comes along, and drivers begin to switch, that won't change. Unfortunately Lyft is not that company right now, and no one else is gaining much ground either so we're screwed for now.
 

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1) I know the Mods like to move threads but this subject is so important that I am hoping they will leave it here. I peruse this forum, but not every single subsection so I had ZERO clue this is happening and I would bet others here didn't know either

It appears we are all about to get bent over HARD and Uber will be lining their pockets with money that used to go to us

They implemented a new Surge policy as a test in Charlotte NC and now have moved it to 5 other cities to expand the test. The rumor is it is going nationwide late August early September.

The gist of it they are getting rid of the Multiplier for the drivers and going to a flat dollar rate. You drive into the surge area and your next ride to get the highest dollar rate applied to your next ride......but ONLY IF

Your app was online
You dont reject a ride
You don't go offline
You don't change your ride preferences
You dont cancel a ride

If you do any of those things you don't get the surge bonus

It seems the best you can really get is a 10-15 dollar bonus added on......but most of the time is is a lot less. So gone will be the days of the 4.0x surge....X or XL ride for 17 minutes that got you 35 bucks. Now you will get your normal fare plus maybe 5 bucks

It will KILL the late night bar scene.... no more medium distance surge rides that make your night. New Years Eve is destroyed..... Event Surges are ruined

But here is the REAL KICKER (as if this wasn't bad enough)

Uber is only changing it for us drivers

The are still charging the normal multiplier for the Pax and pocketing all the extra for themselves

So most of the time when your doing a surge ride, uber will be making MORE per ride then you will be.....some times the split will be reversed with Uber getting 75% to your 25%

Look at the Charlotte city forum for mind melting horrible examples

They are literally reaching into our pockets and stealing money from us now. They are giving us no incentive to stay out for the bar scene because we would simply be working for them.... not ourselves.

Forget service dogs....payday loans.... cleaning tips

This should be the #1 subject on the agenda going forward..... we are about to get really screwed

Please miss leave this here...... people need to know and be prepared
Uber will keep bending over drivers as long as drivers keep bending over. From a pure self-respect aspect, how can any driver accept this? Drivers should 1. not drive if Uber implements this, and 2. let every pax know that the 4x surge they're paying is all going to Uber.
 

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I'm not much of a sweater when it comes to things out of your control....I feel if it becomes to bad, I'll seek full time employment and do the side gig Uber Lyft.

The day I see 75% of a fare consistently taken from every ride, I'll quit the rideshare for good.

So many people here got scared when the self drivers were brought here. I was always asked by passengers in early stages "what will you do when they take over the city".... refer to paragraph one for answer I gave.

I was drawn into it more for the flexibility and I would miss that more than ever.

It would be nice to go back to the days when I never looked or cared what a gallon of gas costs.....lol
 

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Uber will keep bending over drivers as long as drivers keep bending over. From a pure self-respect aspect, how can any driver accept this? Drivers should 1. not drive if Uber implements this, and 2. let every pax know that the 4x surge they're paying is all going to Uber.
Isn't Uber threatening to deactivate drivers who discuss their pay with pax? Full circle.

I don't get many surges because I don't do late nights and there too many drivers, but the new surge as explained is cr*p. Uber isn't going to make it in the long run.

The only drivers left in a few years will be smelly homeless people in rented 20 year old hatchbacks.
 

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I'm not much of a sweater when it comes to things out of your control
That's just it, it's 100 percent in driver's control. That's like saying there's no point in voting cause my vote doesn't count. Drivers need to take a stand and let their voices be heard. Talk with every driver you know and every driver you don't know.

Isn't Uber threatening to deactivate drivers who discuss their pay with pax?
Are they? That should go of real well with regulators in California. Truth is, Uber is hanging by a thread. Uber's going to have to treat drivers as true contractors in California and other states will soon follow suit.

Uber can shove it where the sun doesn't shine. Not only can contractors talk about whatever they want to talk about, contractors set their own price.
 

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The problem isn't the system, which makes sense to me. It's pretty crazy to think how many people would actually have the resources to justify a 3+x ld trip. So, I don't think that the new policy is that hard to swallow, even if it sucks for us. The problem is that these shits are still charging the multiplier surge rates to the pax. It's disgusting.
 

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You truly do not understand Ubers motivations. They serve the customer. They need critical mass....critical coverage first ...before they work on profit. The surge games drove tons of pax to alternatives. Uber has to burn so many employees on handling airport BS etc... Big waste of time.

Uber isnt out to screw drivers. Uber will even take a certain level of games. But Uber cares deeply for the pax and they will defend that experience.
They serve the customer? And how exactly do they do that? With your car and your labor.

They need critical mass = they need to undercut the competition by paying drivers peanuts then steadily take a larger percentage of the take from drivers.

The surge game was created by Uber knowing business pax will gladly pay 2x surge cause that's what the rate should be in the first place. The surge game allows Uber to also cater to hipsters going to Starbucks who should never be in the system to begin with.

Uber cares deeply for the pax. Really? And how does a 94 percent annual driver turnover rate translate into caring deeply for the pax? How do crappier and crappier cars and crappier and crappier drivers translate into caring deeply for the pax?
 

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Don't forget that they know where 99% of trips are going. They have the pickup address and the destination address prior to sending you the ping. It would be simple for the algorithm to see that you have a surge due and then give you a highly undesireable minimum fare ride 23 minutes and 10 miles away for your next ride. Then you get to drive 23 minutes to earn that extra $1 surge. If you decline that 23 minute away ride then you lose your surge and Uber gets to pocket even more.

Also this is a "technology company". Remember that it would be trivial for them to program in a cap per hour, day, week, month, or even year for your earnings. They know the estimated value of every single ride they give to you. For all we know we each have an entry in a database somewhere with a certain set of numbers which dictate how much we are "allowed" to earn per hour, day, week, or month on the platform. Think they wouldn't do that? I'm not so sure anymore....
 
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