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Holy cow, just figured out something shocking...

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OK, I grossed $80,000 last year after reimbursements.

I get $1.60 a mile one way.

So that's 50,000 miles with a pax paying.

I've recorded via odometer, 100,000 miles for Uber, 81,000 miles online. 19,000 miles offline returning from a long trip or strategically being offline to start the clock etc.

What's shocking is that's a 50% deadhead rate, meaning volume of trips isn't wonderful where I'm at, thus why the $1.60 a mile for X, where as in other places its like .60-.85 cents a mile and Uber daisy chain trips.

Sheet we don't see that happening too often if ever.

So those doing a trip and then deadheading at those low rates are really suffering. Why I turn my app off there.

I should ideally stick with trips under 20 minutes in my area because then I'm getting $1 per odometer mile each way.

I don't know what to do, the last long trip was bailing out a pregnant lady on the side of the road for 80 cents a mile with no tip. There was only two drivers available at the time, the other could have refused.

I'm fortunate that I cover a large area with some good spots producing close, a ritzy neighborhood nearby and thus have a balance and can Uber from home, sleeping between trips.

Is it my purpose to be the rescue guy? Should I work nights?

Still on a rate card thank goodness.

I'm confused, could be the half beer I drank four days ago.

It used to be I got excellent tips, but Uber started doing that "Your driver has done 15,000 trips" bs so I can't use my lines anymore.

Sometimes you just need to question things.
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OK, I grossed $80,000 last year after reimbursements.

I get $1.60 a mile one way.

So that's 50,000 miles with a pax paying.

I've recorded via odometer, 100,000 miles for Uber, 81,000 miles online. 19,000 miles offline returning from a long trip or strategically being offline to start the clock etc.

What's shocking is that's a 50% deadhead rate, meaning volume of trips isn't wonderful where I'm at, thus why the $1.60 a mile for X, where as in other places its like .60-.85 cents a mile.

So those doing a trip and then deadheading at those low rates are really suffering. Why I turn my app off there.

I should ideally stick with trips under 20 minutes because then I'm getting $1 per odometer mile each way.

I don't know what to do, the last long trip was bailing out a pregnant lady on the side of the road for 80 cents a mile with no tip. There was only two drivers available at the time, the other could have refused.

I'm fortunate that I cover a large area with some good spots producing close, a ritzy neighborhood nearby house and thus have a balance and can Uber from home, sleeping between trips.

Is it my purpose to be the rescue guy?
Yes, you have been a slave to Uber.
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OK, I grossed $80,000 last year after reimbursements.

I get $1.60 a mile one way.

So that's 50,000 miles with a pax paying.

I've recorded via odometer, 100,000 miles for Uber, 81,000 miles online. 19,000 miles offline returning from a long trip or strategically being offline to start the clock etc.

What's shocking is that's a 50% deadhead rate, meaning volume of trips isn't wonderful where I'm at, thus why the $1.60 a mile for X, where as in other places its like .60-.85 cents a mile and Uber daisy chain trips.

Sheet we don't see that happening too often if ever.

So those doing a trip and then deadheading at those low rates are really suffering. Why I turn my app off there.

I should ideally stick with trips under 20 minutes in my area because then I'm getting $1 per odometer mile each way.

I don't know what to do, the last long trip was bailing out a pregnant lady on the side of the road for 80 cents a mile with no tip. There was only two drivers available at the time, the other could have refused.

I'm fortunate that I cover a large area with some good spots producing close, a ritzy neighborhood nearby and thus have a balance and can Uber from home, sleeping between trips.

Is it my purpose to be the rescue guy? Should I work nights?

Still on a rate card thank goodness.

I'm confused, could be the half beer I drank four days ago.

It used to be I got excellent tips, but Uber started doing that "Your driver has done 15,000 trips" bs so I can't use my lines anymore.

Sometimes you just need to question things.
Could you explain about strategically turning the App off?
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Could you explain about strategically turning the App off?
You go offline to either stretch out your driving time or to avoid low trip/crime prone areas or simply to get your 6 hour offline clock going so you start your next 12 hours of driving time earlier.
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I should ideally stick with trips under 20 minutes in my area because then I'm getting $1 per odometer mile each way.
I am SHOCKED. You haven't been following your own advice? I've seen so many posts by you to only take $1 per mile... and here you don't even do it yourself. Just ball busting a little bit :)

It used to be I got excellent tips, but Uber started doing that "Your driver has done 15,000 trips" bs so I can't use my lines anymore.
I have just over 15k uber trips myself... respect... that's a lot of butts in the seat.
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I am SHOCKED. You haven't been following your own advice? I've seen so many posts by you to only take $1 per mile... and here you don't even do it yourself...
I try to only take trips that will average me $1+ per odometer mile with tip.

Unfortunately sometimes that doesn't work for every case, like the poor pregnant lady on the side of the road and only two drivers in the area. .80 cents a mile each way, no tip obviously.

Remember I'm bouncing right at the bottom of barely sustainable ridesharing as an income source. One year I only cleared $15,000, another very busy year only $20,000. This year likely will be $15,000 again thanks to Joe's recession.

But I do have vehicle replacement money in the bank. 😁

How to squeeze in $24,000 a year for health insurance is going to be quite a challenge.
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impressive accounting and analytics but at the end of the day you're still broke and you'll never get the minutes back in your life you gave uber. welcome to wasted.
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I'm online 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, sometimes only getting a few hours of solid sleep, but do nap quite a bit.

My vacations are when the truck is in the shop.

I have an alarm that tells me when to go offline and another that tells me when to go online.

Sometimes when I've had a particularly slow day with 7 or more hours of driving time left, I'll run the app all night and through the next day.

I typically deadhead home after every trip, because trip volume is so dam low.

Out of thousands of long trips to the airport at 5 cents a mile for pay, with only about 50% of people tip, and only 7 times did I get lucky and got something decent back the other way.

So I'm actually making 80 cents an odometer mile including tips on the meter, cash tips are so infrequent now I don't even count them.

What I'm getting is $1+ per online mile which doesn't account for offline deadhead miles.

There are many out there getting far less... 😔

If I could get $1+ per odometer mile, get packed with trips until 7-10 hours of driving time used up, I could go offline and have a life because I've made my money for the day.
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OK, I grossed $80,000 last year after reimbursements.

I get $1.60 a mile one way.

So that's 50,000 miles with a pax paying.

I've recorded via odometer, 100,000 miles for Uber, 81,000 miles online. 19,000 miles offline returning from a long trip or strategically being offline to start the clock etc.

What's shocking is that's a 50% deadhead rate, meaning volume of trips isn't wonderful where I'm at, thus why the $1.60 a mile for X, where as in other places its like .60-.85 cents a mile and Uber daisy chain trips.

Sheet we don't see that happening too often if ever.

So those doing a trip and then deadheading at those low rates are really suffering. Why I turn my app off there.

I should ideally stick with trips under 20 minutes in my area because then I'm getting $1 per odometer mile each way.

I don't know what to do, the last long trip was bailing out a pregnant lady on the side of the road for 80 cents a mile with no tip. There was only two drivers available at the time, the other could have refused.

I'm fortunate that I cover a large area with some good spots producing close, a ritzy neighborhood nearby and thus have a balance and can Uber from home, sleeping between trips.

Is it my purpose to be the rescue guy? Should I work nights?

Still on a rate card thank goodness.

I'm confused, could be the half beer I drank four days ago.

It used to be I got excellent tips, but Uber started doing that "Your driver has done 15,000 trips" bs so I can't use my lines anymore.

Sometimes you just need to question things.
Ubering in your truck, at 20mpg highway , you spent $17,500 in gas last year.

If you try to use your truck to do urban trips, the picture gets even worse.

I told you this months ago. Profit is in working the cities. Get a hybrid, drive to the nearest city, and do back to back short trips.

Figure out the paid routes into the city. Morning pickups to an adjacent airport are usually a good way to start the day. Or reservations.

Keep working, stacking short trips, then drive back home. You will make twice as much in half the time.
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Ubering in your truck, at 20mpg highway , you spent $17,500 in gas last year.

If you try to use your truck to do urban trips, the picture gets even worse.

I told you this months ago. Profit is in working the cities. Get a hybrid, drive to the nearest city, and do back to back short trips.

Figure out the paid routes into the city. Morning pickups to an adjacent airport are usually a good way to start the day. Or reservations.

Keep working, stacking short trips, then drive back home. You will make twice as much in half the time.
Yes urban trips are out of the question with a truck, 17 mpg is not good when I average 21 mpg combined. However a truck lasts considerably longer if it's not been abused, just need to stay away from urban areas.

The nearest city with volume is already flooded, the next one is 200 miles round trip and extremely dangerous. Not only that it pays 60 to 70 cents a mile, it varies thanks to Upfront Shafting.

Sure I'll do a lot more trips in less time, but burn out.

I've already tried, did all day to make $200 doing shorts and it cost me $50 just to get there and come back, plus I'm in a hot vehicle burning gas for the AC.

Why do that when I can sit at home and still make $200 a day? Just have to be online longer. Different formula.
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@ObeyTheNumbers this thread definitely gives me a different perspective on your approach. Based on the myriad of threads and comments about earning $1+ per mile, I just assumed that you were doing something efficient and profitable.

Based on post #10 above, it does seem like what you are doing is working for you. So good. But that definitely wouldn't work for me.

Every driver has their own approach and style. One of the benefits of this gig is it's flexible and you can work it when and how you want.
Right, costs are costs and drivers deserve to be adequately compensated for their effort.

The odometer miles are ticking, even though I'm only averaging about 83 cents an odometer mile on an annual basis currently, if I was getting an average of $1 an odometer mile I wouldn't have to be working 18+ hour days.

In my market I'll have to stick with trips below 20 minutes to get to $1 per odometer mile, next year I'll do that passing on the crap unless it tips.

Like I said above, I'm barely bouncing around what is sustainable, been fortunate to have started Uber with a $20,000 vehicle that's given me over 500,000 miles and still running good.

It's a numbers game but some essential factors:

Not more than $20,000 vehicles, why? Because at 100,000 miles a year it won't last longer than 3 or 4 years perhaps, an accident can cut things even shorter. Uber says 15 year old vehicles tops. So why buy too much car? It's business suicide. If it lasts long, it's gravy, but assume not.

Factor a 50% deadhead mile rate of one's odometer miles.

Save 75 cents an odometer mile towards all costs, anything above that is ones pay.

Stick with trips that are not a burn that drop ones average odometer per mile rate below $1 per mile.

Yes we will continue the beatings until the profits improve. 😂
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