[Nats121]

Continued high rates of legal Third World immigration provides uber and lyft with the leverage it needs to treat their drivers as disposable trash.

Note, I'm saying LEGAL immigration, because the number of illegal immigrants driving rideshare isn't high enough to make much of an impact.

Fuber and gryft are able to disrespect their drivers because they know they can replace ANY driver at ANY time with a new Third World immigrant signup.

That's enormous leverage to give unethical companies such as fuber and gryft, and they use that power for all it's worth.

Thus, both scummy companies can pay shit rates, steal our surge pay, grab more and more from each ride, and fire drivers at will, all with the knowledge that perpetually large numbers of immigrants will continue to sign up at high rates.

If the immigration issue isn't bad enough, the government's failure to enforce the regulations on independent contractor status gives additional leverage to fuber.

The gov't created this mess for the drivers, and only the gov't can bring about change.

Immigration reform, and/or enforcement of independent contractor regulations, and/or lawsuits, all of which are gov't actions, is the ONLY way exploitation of the drivers will end.

 

[Cableguynoe]

Fuber and gryft are able to disrespect their drivers because they know they can replace ANY driver at ANY time with a new Third World immigrant signup.

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So the exact same thing that happened to strawberry picking jobs for Americans is happening to rideshare.

The only difference is no one is fighting to get the strawberry picking jobs back.

But if a legal third world immagrant can do it, let them.
They also don't like back breaking work.

Immigration reform, and/or enforcement of independent contractor regulations, and/or lawsuits, all of which are gov't actions, is the ONLY way exploitation of the drivers will end.

I'm other words, it ain't gonna change

 

[jgiun1]

Anything to do with the automobile is scum.....from car dealers, banks with predatory lending like we so much in the forum, car rentals, auto insurance, mechanic shops including high labor rates with chinese parts, taxi and rideshare and auto part stores that mark up a rubber belt 500% then give you a 20% discount when you spend $50.00 on other marked up parts..... it's all the armpit of society

 

[Nats121]

So the exact same thing that happened to strawberry picking jobs for Americans is happening to rideshare.

The only difference is no one is fighting to get the strawberry picking jobs back.

But if a legal third world immagrant can do it, let them.
They also don't like back breaking work.

I'm other words, it ain't gonna change

We shouldn't "let them" lower the standard of living for American workers.

One of the primary functions of our govt is to put the best interests of Americans FIRST, not second, or third or fourth.

Flooding the country with poor immigrants and devastating American workers is NOT in the best interests of this country.

Immigration has been a disaster for rideshare drivers, and a dream come true for fuber and gryft.

 

[Cableguynoe]

Immigration has been a disaster for rideshare drivers, and a dream come true for fuber and gryft.

Except the immigrants were there from day 1.

 

[Nats121]

They may have been there from day one, but it's the perpetually high rate of NEW arrivals that allows fuber to replace any driver.

Without that influx, fuber would be forced to pay decent wages and treat their drivers with respect, or else run out of drivers and go out of business.

 

[tohunt4me]

Continued high rates of legal Third World immigration provides uber and lyft with the leverage it needs to treat their drivers as disposable trash.

Note, I'm saying LEGAL immigration, because the number of illegal immigrants driving rideshare isn't high enough to make much of an impact.

Fuber and gryft are able to disrespect their drivers because they know they can replace ANY driver at ANY time with a new Third World immigrant signup.

That's enormous leverage to give unethical companies such as fuber and gryft, and they use that power for all it's worth.

Thus, both scummy companies can pay shit rates, steal our surge pay, grab more and more from each ride, and fire drivers at will, all with the knowledge that perpetually large numbers of immigrants will continue to sign up at high rates.

If the immigration issue isn't bad enough, the government's failure to enforce the regulations on independent contractor status gives additional leverage to fuber.

The gov't created this mess for the drivers, and only the gov't can bring about change.

Immigration reform, and/or enforcement of independent contractor regulations, and/or lawsuits, all of which are gov't actions, is the ONLY way exploitation of the drivers will end.

Corporate Leverage

Exactly why govt. Has turned on citizens.

And refused to address Illegal Immigration.

 

[SuzeCB]

So the exact same thing that happened to strawberry picking jobs for Americans is happening to rideshare.

The only difference is no one is fighting to get the strawberry picking jobs back.

But if a legal third world immagrant can do it, let them.
They also don't like back breaking work.

I'm other words, it ain't gonna change

Fighting to get them back? Heh!

I remember a few years ago the price of strawberries skyrocketed because Driscoll's decided, after getting backlash from the American people for hiring so many foreigners and immigrant workers that come in Legally to pick crops, to try only hiring American citizens for one season.

The reason they only did it for one season was because the fruit died on the fields. They couldn't get anybody else to come in and do the work, and the ones that did go in didn't work as hard, efficiently, and got hurt more often so they had to collect on workers comp.

Luckily for my taste buds, Driscoll's changed their policy. Although I will admit that they are not necessarily the sweetest strawberries I have found. The Edible Arrangements near me definitely finds the sweetest strawberries I've ever had, but they are expensive as all hell. Special occasions only.

 

[observer]

 

[Cableguynoe]

Fighting to get them back? Heh!

I remember a few years ago the price of strawberries skyrocketed because Driscoll's decided, after getting backlash from the American people for hiring so many foreigners and immigrant workers that come in Legally to pick crops, to try only hiring American citizens for one season.

The reason they only did it for one season was because the fruit died on the fields. They couldn't get anybody else to come in and do the work, and the ones that did go in didn't work as hard, efficiently, and got hurt more often so they had to collect on workers comp.

Luckily for my taste buds, Driscoll's changed their policy. Although I will admit that they are not necessarily the sweetest strawberries I have found. The Edible Arrangements near me definitely finds the sweetest strawberries I've ever had, but they are expensive as all hell. Special occasions only.

I'm afraid I can't relate.

Those are strawberry fields right across from my house

 

[Wonkytonk]

The gov't created this mess for the drivers, and only the gov't can bring about change.

Immigration reform, and/or enforcement of independent contractor regulations, and/or lawsuits, all of which are gov't actions, is the ONLY way exploitation of the drivers will end.

I've seen a few of us say that here in the past. I've said it so I definitely agree. Too many drivers are in too precarious a financial condition to participate In concerted driver united actions against the companies.

 

[Aerodrifting]

One of the primary functions of our govt is to put the best interests of Americans FIRST, not second, or third or fourth.

The gov does put the best interest of Americans first, Just not the 99%.

Those rich people in power could have easily stopped it, But they didn't and they won't, Why?

Food for thought ya?

 

[kdyrpr]

The problem is the flooding of low/no skill workers into this country. This goes for legal and illegal immigration. There isn't a job market to cover them. It's likely the majority are also draining safety net programs as well. This country needs to be a little selfish and instill higher standards on legal immigration. We can no longer be the world's go to place because the country they came from is repressive or backward. What happened at the turn of the century and early 1900s is not what is happening now. The country needed low skill workers for building cities, railroads and many other things that are no longer part of the equation.

 

[Mido toyota]

Continued high rates of legal Third World immigration provides uber and lyft with the leverage it needs to treat their drivers as disposable trash.

Note, I'm saying LEGAL immigration, because the number of illegal immigrants driving rideshare isn't high enough to make much of an impact.

Fuber and gryft are able to disrespect their drivers because they know they can replace ANY driver at ANY time with a new Third World immigrant signup.

That's enormous leverage to give unethical companies such as fuber and gryft, and they use that power for all it's worth.

Thus, both scummy companies can pay shit rates, steal our surge pay, grab more and more from each ride, and fire drivers at will, all with the knowledge that perpetually large numbers of immigrants will continue to sign up at high rates.

If the immigration issue isn't bad enough, the government's failure to enforce the regulations on independent contractor status gives additional leverage to fuber.

The gov't created this mess for the drivers, and only the gov't can bring about change.

Immigration reform, and/or enforcement of independent contractor regulations, and/or lawsuits, all of which are gov't actions, is the ONLY way exploitation of the drivers will end.

So you didn't blame the American corrupted government, who bent every law for uber, you didn't blame the American law makers, for enforcing the independent contractor laws, you are blaming, the third world labor, that by the way isn't even 30% of the total drivers in the US, you need to rethink what you said again, your first world government and law makers, let uber and Lyft did what they did,

 

[Nats121]

So you didn't blame the American corrupted government, who bent every law for uber, you didn't blame the American law makers, for enforcing the independent contractor laws, you are blaming, the third world labor, that by the way isn't even 30% of the total drivers in the US, you need to rethink what you said again, your first world government and law makers, let uber and Lyft did what they did,

RIF, reading is fundemental.

Reread my post, and you'll see I DID blame the govt for both immigration AND failure to enforce independent contractor regulations.

You're also very incorrect when you claim 30% of fuber drivers are immigrants.

By fuber's own admission, the vast majority of fuber drivers are immigrants, in some markets as high as 90%.

 

[Dickie Duncan]

 

[Woohaa]

What is Second World immigration?

 

[RockinEZ]

What is Second World immigration?

Those of us old enough to remember know that:
The First World was the U.S. and the countries that eventually joined NATO
The Second World was the Soviet Block and the Communist countries.
The Third World were the countries not associated with either of the above.

These folks explain it more completely.
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm

 

[Woohaa]

Those of us old enough to remember know that:
The First World was the U.S. and the countries that eventually joined NATO
The Second World was the Soviet Block and the Communist countries.
The Third World were the countries not associated with either of the above.

These folks explain it more completely.
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm

Interesting. Since Switzerland is a neutral country during world wars wouldn't they be Third World by that definition?

 

[ABC123DEF]

What is Second World immigration?

It's immigration from Venus...the second planet from the sun. DUH!