[GotstaGetALLDat]

"It would cost us BIG."
lol... take it from your stack of billions that you've raped and pillaged from us during the last few years you've slashed our wages to almost nothing, you dumb bastards

 

[Judas Iscariot]

All those figures and estimates are for full time employees, assuming 40 hours, for drivers, is that 40 hours logged on or pax in the car ?

Did you even read the article?

Barclays based its estimates on a part-time driver who averages $15,600 a year in ride-hail income ($20 an hour for 15 hours a week, 52 weeks a year).

You can't comment on the article if you didn't read the article.

 

[WAHN]

You can't comment on the article if you didn't read the article.

Yes, yes you can. :roflmao:

 

[Judas Iscariot]

Yes, yes you can. :roflmao:

True, I forgot "the internet" factor.

 

[Another Uber Driver]

Is this just going to California drivers?

I did not get it nor am I aware that any driver in Washington Market did. I would assume that only California drivers got it.

 

[Bob Reynolds]

If Uber and Lyft had done the right thing and not forced most drivers into poverty wage pay then there would never have been a need for this legislation to force Lyft and Uber to comply with the existing labor laws that almost every other business has to comply with.

Lyft and Uber should have been paying an honest days pay for an honest days work. They have not done that and have indicated in their IPO that they have no intention of doing so. Now the legislators have to step in and force Uber and Lyft to do what they were supposed to be doing all along.

The bill is most likely going to pass. There is strong support for it. What Uber and Lyft are trying to do is to get a carve out that would exempt them from having to comply with the provisions of the bill. If they were able to do this then it would be a disaster for the drivers.

If you want to actually read the bill and send a message to the committee that now has the bill, I did start this thread that explains how you can do this:

https://uberpeople.net/threads/cali...s-bill-information-and-call-to-action.334315/

 

[New2This]

I don't know the intricacies of the CA bill. I don't need to.

If Uber/Lyft want you to do something and say it's for driver's benefit, there's a 99.999999999999999999997% chance it's NOT to our benefit but Uber/Lyft's.

Anytime they've said "this will help you/your earnings won't change" it's been bullshit. This is no different.

The fact that Uber/Lyft came together for something makes me want to oppose it just because.

I want to see this go through and pummel both stocks.

 

[nouberipo]

Everyone is... but how do you now it will be you who will make more than $1, and not me, or the another driver you just passed today. Today everyone has equal opportunity to make money, some will make more and some will make less. If the regulations force the company to do something, they will do it, but that will come at some other cost... and that's what no one is focusing on. There is only so much money to go around, if they are forced to pay someone more that means someone else will be out of a job... and how do you know you will be at the money receiving end and not at the out of the job end?

No everyone does NOT have equal opportunity to make money. The algorithm determines who gets rides and who doesn't based on many variables including how long you have been driving. I presume you are new to this otherwise you wouldn't have said that everyone has equal opportunity which they do not by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[kevin92009]

I'm not sure my comments would help

You're valued comments are always welcome here in this community.

They're trying to convince us that any improvement in pay and working conditions will require us to become employees. That's complete BS. If they treated the drivers well all along, they wouldn't be in this position as the lawmakers would leave them alone.
How about they increase our rates, and give us COMPLETE destination information including estimated fare prior to us accepting the ride? If they do, we'd be happy to tell the lawmakers to back off.

exactly , let us see the destinations and choose wisely ourselves instead of hiding information .

 

[dmoney155]

"It would cost us BIG."
lol... take it from your stack of billions that you've raped and pillaged from us during the last few years you've slashed our wages to almost nothing, you dumb bastards

Dude, they're not going to give anything back... you ever see any enterprises giving anything back? did Travis gave anything back? he took his billions and moved on to the next thing.

 

[kevin92009]

Dude, they're not going to give anything back... you ever see any enterprises giving anything back? did Travis gave anything back? he took his billions and moved on to the next thing.

wouldn't be surprised if travis is trying to expand his 1099 exploitation models on his new kitchen business.

 

[dmoney155]

No everyone does NOT have equal opportunity to make money. The algorithm determines who gets rides and who doesn't based on many variables including how long you have been driving. I presume you are new to this otherwise you wouldn't have said that everyone has equal opportunity which they do not by any stretch of the imagination.

Been doing it for a while actually... and yes, everyone has equal opportunity... everyone can drive whenever they want... everyone has equal chance of making money out of this....... some are better at it than others, like any task. I welcome new players to the game any time. Not afraid of competition. I rather have me choosing when to drive, then some regulation making that choice for me. Like that 12hrs limit, how is that working out for any benefit? It's absurd that a governing body needs to tell me when I am too tired to drive.

wouldn't be surprised if travis is trying to expand his 1099 exploitation models on his new kitchen business.

Yep basically that's what he is doing... more kudos to him... always moving forward with new ideas. Contrast that with drivers trying to go back to the taxi model with all their regulations and caps, then take a look who is better off.

 

[mbd]

So this is going to become a job with schedule...so some will make more money, but others will be out of the job. Nice. What everyone here fails to understand is that there is finite amount of money to go around. So right now if all they got is $100, and there is 100 drivers, everyone gets a $1... and everyone complains cuz it;s not enough... what will happen is, they will only allow 10 drivers to be online, so 10 will make $10, but guess what, other 90 will make 0. So to all these who want more, I hope you will be the ones of the 90 left with 0. At least now you all got opportunity to make something, when more regulation comes, only few will make more... and yes, I know all of you think you will be those lucky 10 making more, but guess what, only 10 of you can be 10, not all 100.... so good luck to all you 90 who will make 0.

It is a shell game ... money comes from one driver's pocket , to the next
This is not msft or google, companies making billion dollar profits per month.

VC's not going to put up any moneys now. Eventually, they will have to pass on the expenses to the pax or move out of California

 

[dmoney155]

It is a shell game ... money comes from one driver's pocket , to the next
This is not msft or google, companies making billion dollar profits per month.

VC's not going to put up any moneys now. Eventually, they will have to pass on the expenses to the pax or move out of California

Yep, first time I heard of it, I already knew it can't last... to be honest I am surprised it lasted that long. It shows how desperate people are, which is scary outlook of our economy. But whatever it is, I'm just here to try to make some profit out of it, and any regulation will make it harder to do so in my opinion..... personally I would love to see them (or some other company to step in) that will make it more of an auction system. Make it truly driven by the market. One can dream I guess heh.

 

[MiamiKid]

They're trying to convince us that any improvement in pay and working conditions will require us to become employees. That's complete BS. If they treated the drivers well all along, they wouldn't be in this position as the lawmakers would leave them alone.
How about they increase our rates, and give us COMPLETE destination information including estimated fare prior to us accepting the ride? If they do, we'd be happy to tell the lawmakers to back off.

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Great you Californians will love this. You would be making less through reduced hours, and will be told when and where to work. No more switching to the other app. As employees you'd get fired for under performing. If you hustle, there'd be no extra reward. Drivers who use rideshare as a temp job will be left out. If you really wanted to work an hourly job, probably should have not signed on to a contractor position.

Absolutely! Well stated.

 

[The Entomologist]

Don't let the shills misinform you, boys.

A. Uber and Lyft cannot function as employers, they will do everything they can to make you a contractor, employment is not an option for them.

B. Being an employee allows everyone to unionize, U/L's worst nightmare, don't think for a second you'll be picking all trips at 10-15 bucks an hour, LOL, not even in their wildest dreams, if they fail to remedy what the drivers ask for, then another company who does contracting right will take over for them, don't think these companies are the very last cokes in the desert, these companies are easy to replace and has been done already in Texas when they kicked them to the curb, their only solution was to go bribe people at state level so they would be let back in to do things their way, no one missed them for the few months they left and other companies who paid right took over for them, this was until the cancer came back through bribery.

Both Uber and Lyft count on your ignorance to help them.

 

[MiamiKid]

Don't let the shills misinform you, boys.

A. Uber and Lyft cannot function as employers, they will do everything they can to make you a contractor, employment is not an option for them.

B. Being an employee allows everyone to unionize, U/L's worst nightmare, don't think for a second you'll be picking all trips at 10-15 bucks an hour, LOL, not even in their wildest dreams, if they fail to remedy what the drivers ask for, then another company who does contracting right will take over for them, don't think these companies are the very last cokes in the desert, these companies are easy to replace and has been done already in Texas when they kicked them to the curb, their only solution was to go bribe people at state level so they would be let back in to do things their way, no one missed them for the few months they left and other companies who paid right took over for them, this was until the cancer came back through bribery.

Both Uber and Lyft count on your ignorance to help them.

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[KK2929]

Did you even read the article?
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???? Of course, I read the article. Stupid question. The point I am trying to make is this -- All those employer cost figures are based on full time employees that are working 40 hours per week. benefits, taxes, etc. There are many ways for an employer to keep an employee in the "part time" status, where they do not have to pay all those fee. Sorry that was " over " your head but thank you for posting the article. I found it very informative.

 

[MiamiKid]

If Uber and Lyft had done the right thing and not forced most drivers into poverty wage pay then there would never have been a need for this legislation to force Lyft and Uber to comply with the existing labor laws that almost every other business has to comply with.

Lyft and Uber should have been paying an honest days pay for an honest days work. They have not done that and have indicated in their IPO that they have no intention of doing so. Now the legislators have to step in and force Uber and Lyft to do what they were supposed to be doing all along.

The bill is most likely going to pass. There is strong support for it. What Uber and Lyft are trying to do is to get a carve out that would exempt them from having to comply with the provisions of the bill. If they were able to do this then it would be a disaster for the drivers.

If you want to actually read the bill and send a message to the committee that now has the bill, I did start this thread that explains how you can do this:

https://uberpeople.net/threads/cali...s-bill-information-and-call-to-action.334315/

Down with this ridiculous, Socialistic bill. ???

 

[libingbing]

Gryft wanted to charge a pax $130+ from DFW to East Dallas last night while paying driver normal rate. I did pax a favor and cancelled ride. Drove pax there for $75 cash.