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Let me remind you what it looks like when Uber is only charging miles and time plus surge from PRE PANDEMIC/PROP 22. This was Valentines Day week right before Covid.
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61 hours online
173 rides
Only $123 in promotions
7 days worked
$28.36/hr online

That’s a lot of work and a lot of rides. Now look at things POST PANDEMIC AND PROP 22.
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29 hours online
69 rides
$427 in promotions
5 days worked (less than 3 hours per day on Monday and Thursday I might add)
$48.72/hr online

Played golf Monday, then enjoyed two days off, didn’t start working Saturday till 10pm.

Which one do you want? 😂🤣😂🤣

this is a lie if i have ever seen a lie in my life. your trip count and what you made makes no sense nore does what you made.
 

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Let me remind you what it looks like when Uber is only charging miles and time plus surge from PRE PANDEMIC/PROP 22. This was Valentines Day week right before Covid.
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61 hours online
173 rides
Only $123 in promotions
7 days worked
$28.36/hr online

That’s a lot of work and a lot of rides. Now look at things POST PANDEMIC AND PROP 22.
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29 hours online
69 rides
$427 in promotions
5 days worked (less than 3 hours per day on Monday and Thursday I might add)
$48.72/hr online

Played golf Monday, then enjoyed two days off, didn’t start working Saturday till 10pm.

Which one do you want? 😂🤣😂🤣
wait a secon thos was in 2020 live....yes earnings were horrible before june of 2020....june of 2020 was when mulitplier was implrmented....thats what chabged everything.....stop spreading false info this is what pisses me oof about you.
 

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It’s this cute game Nate and I play where he says that everything I say is false and everything he says is true.
no his statement is false....that 75 25 was worse....thats a false statement as he uaed a february weeks earnings in 2020.....anything prior to june 2020 was shorrible earnings....i agree woth him on that....but the fallacy is that that makes 75 25 not work. thats called a logicL fallacy
 

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Well I already see a flaw in your hypothesis. Back in Feb 2020 there was no promotions. Well atleast when I looked back in mines i didn't see any. Not even in Dec of 2020 but then again from Oct to Dec I was only doing eats
I wouldnt make a point about something you have no idea about....driving in dec 2020 was super profitable.
 

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I was confused, prop 22 passed in November 2020 but the prop 22 guaranteed earnings is included in the screenshot from supposedly February of 2020? 🤔

Your right...See...Live posted a false post and a flase point. I am tired of people like live who consistently spread disinformation ...I havenet heard him have any issues with consistent reductions in pay and reduction in freedoms. Live is obviously part of a team of individuals working to spread positive PR for UBER and combat negative sentiment.

UBER is going DOWN. Unless they give us our rights back so we hae freedom to choose what we make, and get back in compaince with AB5, and return everything they 180d with PROP 22, were getting lawyers, politicians, and companies involved in what can only be called the biggest fraud on indpendent workers since the fraud and deciet at ENRON.
 

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@Livekilometers96 excellent analysis.

It's true there is a small but significant group of drivers out there like @Nats121 and myself who sit home and cherry pick , and would love even more tools to do so. Usually middle or upper middle class guys doing this basically a hobby or as one of many sources of income. Is a half hour of our time and half a gallon of gas worth it for $3.63, with an upward potential of making 20 bucks...hello no, but for a minimum of $20 bucks, and an upward potential of $100-$200, sure thing! We aren't the hungry ants Uber wants, willing to trade the equity in our overpriced cars and use our own overpriced gas in the unguaranteed 'hope' of making a decent amount that day.

We aren't the majority of drivers but there's still a good lot of us. Uber needed guys like us during the pandemic. Business model reflects that they didn't need us before the pandemic and they don't think they need us now.

There's an old adage in the taxi business that the people who use taxis daily (not the party or airport crowd) are the poorest 10% or richest 10% of the population, rarely anyone in between. Uber yes tries to capture the bottom part and that group would be lost with higher rates.

I agree...and I personally feel HORRIBLE for people that driver UBER as their only income. You guys are being abused and used by corporate greed and only those smart enough to stop will not be abused in the way UBER is abusing you now. Was talkig to family at thanksgiving yesterday and everyone i talke to was completely agast at the way UBER has manipulated the app to take advantage of those drivers who tell themselves they have no choice.

Gross Labor Law violations in California are being violated by UBER right now as we speak. AGain, my fight is from what I saw that UBER promised us, more independence and freedom...someting they lied about to get PRop 22 passed so they could flip 180 and completely abuse the uber drivers with no choice. I recomen everony contact their CA politicians, media outlets, business leaders and the like and start burning a searing fire under those at UBER who just dont give a shit about you the driver.
 

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I think the problem of drivers who refuse to work less than 5x is overstated. I've spoken to six Uber drivers (separately and in person). Among them:
-- four didn't know the FM existed;
-- one refused to use it because he wanted "high volume";
-- one wouldn't go above 2.5x because he believed "no one would ever pay more than that."

Granted, 6 drivers don't provide a meaningful statistic, but it is evident to me that the lack of drivers was driven by fear of covid and PUA far more than 5x-or-nothing drivers.

With covid fear down and PUA gone, the ant horde has returned. There's no reason the FM can't be brought back as well. The 5x drivers can't compete with the base fare ants, so they are out of the equation when the ants are around. But there are still times when the ants are either sleeping, drunk, or sucked into the downtown SD vortex. This is when there are certain areas (namely, north county) where pax have extreme difficulty getting rides because the few drivers available (myself included among them) refuse to work for base fare, no destination info, and long pickups.

This is exactly when having the FM would allow these pax to get rides that they otherwise wouldn't get at all. And Uber can get 25% of something instead of 25% of nothing. So the least Uber can do is turn on the FM feature when there is a shortage of drivers in a large area and it's not practical to envelop that entire area with map surge. Then turn it off when there are enough drivers (not that they would need to, because ants are willing to work for base fare). Do this, instead of telling pax there are few drivers available and to try again later

i totally agree, the FM would work and be given a chance to work now that the market is stabilizing that is DEMAND AND SUPPLY. But like i seaid before, UBER never annouced the Fair Multiplier when they went live with it, Not to the dRIVER or the Passengar....and a company like UBER doesnt just make a huge change like that without knowledge of future changes, they did i purposely. They didnt want people to know about it (which is why alot of drivers didnt) and they definetely didnt want it to work (This is why passengars were so upset they were unbeknowst to them accepting 5x trips for months on end before realizing there was an "OFFER" that they could accept of decline ).

UBER set the FM up to fail because they knew the bottom line that there pocket books and controll wouldnt be as full as if they dictated to us price and forced us into acceting work ...which is what they do to us now.
 

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Haha dumbass. Could have at least tried it once on a night he wouldn't have otherwise worked. He's was probably too scared to ding acceptance rate, which we know is a mealaningless statistic but he doesn't.

Uber is a brilliant manipulator. I've seen it time and again when I've taken a ride as a passenger.... The people on this forum aren't manipulated but a good lot of drivers are.

With a PANDEMIC going on , and unemployment and Pandemic assistance going on, there were barely any drivers...I can personally testify to this as I driver almost daily from June 2020 through end of year 2020, people and drivers didny want to risk it.

SO DEMAND WAS WAY MORE THAN SUPPLY, THEREFORE A PREMIUM EXISTED TO REQUEST RIDES. FURTHER, THE PANDEMIC ITSELF WAS A REASON TO CHARGE A PREMIUM FOR UBER RIDES AS IT WAS SUCH A HIGHER RISK THAN NORMAL.
 

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The lack of critical think comes from your end kind sir. You are the one that can’t comprehend that drivers are already overpaid relative to the work they do so there is absolutely no chance that the industry will up and switch back to a model that makes more money for the drivers, less money for Uber and fewer overall customers!
Why are you constantly thinking that uber drivers are some dummbed down, lowest class earners than only deserve the worst pay out there.

TAXI drivers have the possibility to make just as much as doctors if there good at it.

By very definition an indepednent contractor should have the TOOLS to make as much as 100 an hour , if they are good at it.

Your wanting to force a bottom wage on a group of workers that ARE NOT EMPLOYEES. Your comparisons are to average wages of EMPLOYEES, which UBER Drivers are NOT.
 

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The lack of critical think comes from your end kind sir. You are the one that can’t comprehend that drivers are already overpaid relative to the work they do so there is absolutely no chance that the industry will up and switch back to a model that makes more money for the drivers, less money for Uber and fewer overall customers!
If i could created a system that is profitable for both UBER and Drivers, woudl you listen?
 

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I have total respect for those who make a living from rideshare/ delivery. They hustle hard and that's nothing to mock. I would be nervous as heck depending on this for a living but there are some who are happy as a can be and that's not a bad thing! For that I salute them! While You and I and several others are frustrated with decreased earnings/ loss of true independence, others make it work for them and that's something to respect.
i disnt say i didnt reapect then you idiot stop putting worda in my mouth....look how much time o spwnd fighting for them....stop being a emotional ******
 

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Why is the fare so high? I didn't see any surge today ...
Well think about it and the surge and the search Uber just incorporates into their take of the price so so when you hit a surge and you look at how much you made it's like 40% of the actual price the customer paid without the search the search it's something like 80% In some cases the surge is a lie And Uber is purposely misleading us which is fraudulent
 
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