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Shipp is a good journalist. He is simply working within the confines of his career at WFAA. He cannot piss off established authorities in the city without the say so of another equally powerful authority (he can only act as a courier between them in conflicts). WFAA depends on the city and its good will. Thus, he is taking the same strategy as those other authorities -- attack the drivers and point out their weaknesses (low-life criminals they be). The real economics of the problem are left unmentioned, because they would be like nitroglycerin in a blender for the established authorities. They cannot tell you that Uber is being attacked (through the drivers) at airports because they are encroaching on revenues like parking and established ground transportation. This would run him afoul of the authorities. He cannot tell you Uber is tricking unknowledgeable civilians (without transportation experience) into providing transportation at less than cost, which is why they are killing the other revenue sources. He can't do this because Uber has good lawyers. He can't tell you that Uber is depending on people giving the equity in vehicles away for free, and profiting from it, when the equity is usually collateral on a bank loan (although he slightly alluded to it, but squarely placed the blame for this complicated notion on the common driver -- it was drivers defrauding the banks -- not Uber). We are the targets for everything, because we are a silent, fragmented and unpowerful group. Driving Miss Daisy. Man up! There must be something at the end of the day! It all depends on when they are able to stop the bleed from the equity in the loans (which I don't know when or how). That is where the revenue is coming from to kill the established ground transportation industries. When it stops, and the drivers have to either pay the real cost of operating an Uber vehicle full time ($250/week, plus), or quit, then prices for rides will have to inch up toward that cost. Else, the queue will permanently be "You are next in line."
 

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Yo Equity....my observation. Watching the "Brown Shirts" operating at Love leaves NO DOUBT that the Taxi cabbal still yanks strings in Dallas. They are hell-bent to run any competition outa there! NOT SO much at DFW. Enforcement (read: harassment) level at the 2 airports are night and day. Why yours truly does 90% of my bid-ness at DFW....doesn't hurt that I live 4 minutes from the North entrance either...Yeehaw! PS: Think loan-sharking is illegal in this country? Check out the latest "Lease" (insert dripping sarcasm here) offers on Craigslist from dear, old scrUber. A 5 year old Nissan Altima from them,under their terms;will end up costing you approx $18596 AND you never own it! Buy car elsewhere: NADA value high retail....$11500.00.....OY VEY!! Sign me up...wait, wait need my KY and will bend over and brace for impact!
 

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Yo Equity....my observation. Watching the "Brown Shirts" operating at Love leaves NO DOUBT that the Taxi cabbal still yanks strings in Dallas. They are hell-bent to run any competition outa there! NOT SO much at DFW. Enforcement (read: harassment) level at the 2 airports are night and day. Why yours truly does 90% of my bid-ness at DFW....doesn't hurt that I live 4 minutes from the North entrance either...Yeehaw! PS: Think loan-sharking is illegal in this country? Check out the latest "Lease" (insert dripping sarcasm here) offers on Craigslist from dear, old scrUber. A 5 year old Nissan Altima from them,under their terms;will end up costing you approx $18596 AND you never own it! Buy car elsewhere: NADA value high retail....$11500.00.....OY VEY!! Sign me up...wait, wait need my KY and will bend over and brace for impact!
Whether you get a good deal or a bad deal at the car dealership, there is an unavoidable cost per mile on any vehicle (remember insurance and ancillary costs), and $0.65USD/mile does not cover that plus minimum wage for the driver, given down time and time to pickups. The money just ain't there. I can't negotiate with car dealers. I learned a long time ago they are professionals at their own particular form of deceit, they work full time at it, are well trained, and regardless of how smart I am or how tough I talk at the office, they will always get the best of me. But, it doesn't make that much difference. $0.65 per mile doesn't cover a good deal or a bad deal. It is free transportation. And it is feeding this bubble. People wouldn't be riding with us if they had to pay what it costs. There are other options.
 

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What there really should be is a follow up from uber talking about the unpermitted drivers picking up in dallas and the airports. Will they do anything in their system to make sure it doesn't happen?
 

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What there really should be is a follow up from uber talking about the unpermitted drivers picking up in dallas and the airports. Will they do anything in their system to make sure it doesn't happen?
So, if the unpermitted drivers were eliminated, would it actually change the conditions? How many unpermitted drivers, in reality, are operating? Some stats on that, or even the sample proportion at DAL on some given day, would be informative. That could almost be done with a clipboard at the TN area unobtrusively, using the vehicle permit as a proxy for the driver permit (I don't know why anyone with a permit wouldn't have a sticker, and I am sure the cases where one reflects the other are the vast majority). My suspicion is there is not that large of a proportion. My suspicion is a large proportion of these unpermitted drivers are newbies, waiting on permits, or not yet aware of the requirements. They will likely be permitted after a few weeks, or they will quit when they find out the truth about what you can earn. I suspect Uber relies on a very large proportion of incoming newbies to keep the market saturated and keep response times low. I am sure turnover is astronomical. That is why the recruiting is constantly going on. I can't imagine anyone doing this who isn't desperate and who wouldn't opt out at the first opportunity, unless, as I have said before, it is a hobby for them. I am sure it is for some people, or they are cashing in the equity at 20 cents on the dollar on a late model vehicle out of desperation, and still not getting much -- not enough to live. My point here is this is a huge financial scam. That is the engine driving it -- not unpermitted drivers. It is all based on unfamiliarity and novelty, grabbing cash quickly before anyone is aware, and worrying about consequences later. If the scam were eliminated, and drivers were established and permanent businesses, and had some financial means and incentive to get permits and keep their "jobs," unpermitted drivers would not be such a problem. I think. Stability and history would fix things as well as they can be fixed. Unpermitted drivers are likely not just an Uber phenomenon. The ground transportation industry has always been full of them. It is not going to attract the most stable people with the most resources. I agree Uber should act. I am just not so sure this will improve public safety, at all. Making the business viable, instead of being based on desperation, would. But I am not sure that is possible, because if the passengers had to pay the real cost of the rides, then parking and traditional transport would begin to look like reasonable alternatives again, and demand would shrink. It is all being driven by free rides. Else there would be no "pings" to attract unpermitted drivers.
 
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If one of you veteran drivers want to talk to channel 8 and talk to them about Uber and what is realy going on I have the phone# to the producer ...he is willing to listen!
 

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I'd be willing to bet more unpermitted drivers out there than permitted.
Of course, I talked to Brett yesterday and told him the drivers side of things. Follow up coming he said.

Any educated person knows there are politics at heart here, I wont take up a page to tell you that.
 

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Of course, I talked to Brett yesterday and told him the drivers side of things. Follow up coming he said.

Any educated person knows there are politics at heart here, I wont take up a page to tell you that.
I hope he took notice of the Facebook comments on his stories and how little nobody cared. Except the drivers calling him out.
 

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I think it's so shitty of Uber to send drivers requests without permits. I'm pretty sure that is against the law as per a city ordinance. (Chapter 47a)
 

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fxcruiser or equity either one might make their heads explode ... for different reasons :)
I have a big mouth and limited experience, but I am right more than 50% of the time. That's all it takes to make money in casinos! I'm trying to figure out who to short in all this. I think a good report would have an experienced ground transportation person (maybe a cabbie or limo), as well as one of these new "computers are changing the world" types who believes the myth that this is all about "tech competition confronting entrenched industries." ...a good compare and contrast... then maybe a lawyer!
 
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