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Yaseen Aslam

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Hi,

Have any other drivers had similar experience.


http://www.uberlondondriver.com/?p=70

It seem a Bad Rider can
1- Assault his uber driver
2- Then Rate him 1 star
3- Finally request a refund for a poor service.

Should a driver be at fault they are immediately deactivated. I know drivers who have been deactivated for having non fault accident while POB.
 
THey will always be on the side of the customer as if customers are not happy they will stop using uber an more will follow, but drivers they dont care about as he 100's leave they will get 1000's as replacements, drivers wont even form a group to boycott Uber as they feel they will lose their jobs its a shame that we cannot do anything.
 
Interesting that the driver takes no responsibility what so ever for what happened to him… Take away the fact that he drives for Uber… Say you're walking down the street and some drunk girls give you grief for no reason… Do you:

  1. Become morally outraged, follow the girls, try to stop them getting into transport and then take photographs of them; or
  2. Put as much distance between you and the girls as possible.
Personally, I'd opt for option 2.

I'm not suggesting that the drivers isn't the victim here, but as adults we make good and bad decisions every day, maybe he could have made better decisions.

I get that he was also trying to looking out for another Uber driver, but it's for that driver to evaluate the risks for him/her self. I'm quite happy to make sure drunk girls get home safely, I ask them to tell me if they feel sick and I'll pull over.

Shame that Uber did not cooperate with the apparent Police request, Police are busy too and make mistakes, who knows what might be going on with that.
 
uber want this to go away soon the police will no longer pursue the case
now lets look at why uber dont want the case to go away
most likely it will make headline news
2 the girls mentioned will most likely get paid by the media to get their story none of wich uber wants.
 
JayDNZ

Thanks for your comments. I am the driver that this happened to and I thought it was important to answer the challenges you rightly pose.

You say I took no responsibility for what happened. Well I have to say I wasn't responsible for the major contributory factor - the women had too much too drink and in the end were not in a safe condition to travel. The trigger was my decision to terminate, they had real difficulty in accepting that I did that.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and I have racked my brain to try and learn lessons about what I might have done differently to de-esclate the situation. That is an essential skill drivers have to have in order to control risk -- knowing when to be assertive and when to let things go, knowing how to keep people cool under pressure. I'm sure these skills have saved me from eventual trouble many times.

I reject your charge that I became 'morally outraged'. What makes you think that? I've been blind drunk a thousand times myself (although I've never felt the need to racially or physically abuse anyone). I've not commented at all on their morals or their personal choices. I've only commented on their behavior with me and the potential risk they posed to themselves and other drivers.

You say I could/should have put distance between them and myself. In fact I did. I moved some distance away from the scene before making my report to Uber. I made no attempt to establish any further direct contact. I only went to warn the arriving Uber driver. Now I'm glad you acknowledge that was a good thing but then you say 'but it’s for that driver to evaluate the risks for him/her self' - how could he do that properly unless I shared my experience with him that they had been over the line drunk and abusive? Uber certainly don't share any risk analysis with us so it seems to me us drivers have to look out for one another. After warning the driver and taking a picture of the drunk girls I immediately left the scene but was followed back across the street and at that point, mid assault, I did ask the perpetrator why she was still confronting me and not looking after her sick friends. Yes, taking the picture, was an aggravating factor. But the picture in no way compromised the women's modesty. They were wearing trousers and there was no inappropriate exposure. The fact is, I felt it was important to take the picture as I was aware that the incident was serious. Without the picture as evidence it would be my word against three and I could face a very real risk of deactivation and loss of livelihood. Perhaps if Uber were to more publicly back drivers up and send a message to the public just as airlines do that 'cab rage' won't be tolerated, then I wouldn't have felt the need. As it is Uber is happy on twitter to leave the customer the impression that drivers are to blame for every customer service problem from surging to credit card fraud to cancellation fees. This build up of mistrust, IMHO, creates risk for us on the streets.

On the Police -- I disagree. The Police made no mistakes whatsoever. They were sympathetic and supportive. They have kept me informed every step of the way and told me repeatedly of the delays they were encountering with Uber which they too felt was unacceptable.

But lets get back to your core point about personal responsibility and good/bad decisions. In retrospect, if I had stayed in my car I could have avoided a lot of trouble. I could have avoided the racially aggravated assault and the danger when a third party jumped into the fray. That situation was frankly, out of control and could have ended very badly. I had a split second to make my decision - not the luxury of hours we have here on an on line forum to second guess that decision. Would I do the same again? I don't know.

But one thing I am absolutely sure of -- and quite contrary to what you suggest -- the responsible thing to do was exactly what I did do. That is to warn colleagues, to report the matter to the police and Uber and to absolutely insist action was taken? And this isn't just an issue of personal responsibility, its an issue of community responsibility. Its like the broken window syndrome. If we drivers are prepared to accept that kind of behaviour, accept that Uber will not back us up with Police cooperation then we will end up with a situation where one of us ends up dead or seriously injured. There must be zero tolerance for one so that ALL of us can expect to go home in one piece each and every night. So if anything, rather than not taking responsibility, maybe I am guilty of taking too much responsibility while Uber took too little. Why have you not mentioned Uber's responsibility?

It's your choice to carry very drunk people. But we're alone out there and we have to make the final decisions for ourselves as you rightly acknowledge by weighing the risk for ourselves the best we can and to make the right decision on the spot. But when we say no, no must mean no, without attack or abuse. I won't carry people who are out of control drunk (ie. are not fully conscious or who have just or appear to be about to vomit). That's my bottom line and I'm sticking to it.

What have I learned?

1. Drivers should NEVER accept racial, verbal or physical abuse. Terminate the journey. Report the matter to the police and Uber. Get a crime reference number and keep following up with the police and Uber to insist action is take. Gather what evidence you can - take pictures, note location and time, note description of attackers. As soon as possible -- ie. stop work and write down all the facts you can while the memory is fresh. If we are permissive about this and accept violence and abuse - well, it's a slippery slope to a very bad end.
2. Look out for fellow drivers while out on the road and at the usual meeting places. Advise them to do the same as suggested above. Some drivers may not have the confidence to speak out about this. Support and encourage them to do so. Ask them if they are ok.
3. When possible and appropriate always and continuously ask Uber and any other operator what actions they are taking to help keep us safe on the roads. Safety must always be on the operational agenda and needs to be worked at every day.

Always look after the other guy. Who knows, God forbid, one day it might be you.
 
You can get a small pen shaped camera.

You place it in your top pocket.

You press the button on top to record visually and audibly.

When you return to your car, or indeed home, download the footage to your laptop.

Give it a reference number.

Then write a small statement about the incident for future reference.

A picture is indeed worth a thousand words.

There are many public servants that face spurious and malicious complaints everu day.

I know of many that saved their job and also prosecution by doing the above.

And because you are not waving a phone around or camera you don't inflame the situation.
 
Hi,

Have any other drivers had similar experience.


http://www.uberlondondriver.com/?p=70

It seem a Bad Rider can
1- Assault his uber driver
2- Then Rate him 1 star
3- Finally request a refund for a poor service.

Should a driver be at fault they are immediately deactivated. I know drivers who have been deactivated for having non fault accident while POB.
Sometimes riders think they owe you...no one can abuse cabdrivers only because they rate you...personally any small argument I invite them out do not care about them or Uber or anyone....is my life and dignity...I do not take rubbish from anyone....This should be number 1 rule in my car...Is my car my petrol my expences...you want to go your way....let me know...if you get nasty you got it wrong with me...I respect you ...you respect me
 
Yet another class action lawsuit needed. We have a right to know the name of the account holder. There is no expectation of privacy with riding in an Uber and the support team is incredibly out of line. They are breaking the law by interfering with an investigation. You should consult a lawyer. Uber's policy of allowing mere initials or fake names is opening them up to negligence lawsuits.
Accountability is why pax behavior is generally so good. When all pax realize they can commit crimes and enjoy anonymity, behavior problems will skyrocket.
It's already difficult to retain female drivers. No way are they safe if Uber's going to protect identities of problem pax.
 
You can get a small pen shaped camera.

You place it in your top pocket.

You press the button on top to record visually and audibly.

When you return to your car, or indeed home, download the footage to your laptop.

Give it a reference number.

Then write a small statement about the incident for future reference.

A picture is indeed worth a thousand words.

There are many public servants that face spurious and malicious complaints everu day.

I know of many that saved their job and also prosecution by doing the above.

And because you are not waving a phone around or camera you don't inflame the situation.
UberLuxbod thats a great idea. Any suggestions on brand or where to get one of these?
 
Hi,

Have any other drivers had similar experience.


http://www.uberlondondriver.com/?p=70

It seem a Bad Rider can
1- Assault his uber driver
2- Then Rate him 1 star
3- Finally request a refund for a poor service.

Should a driver be at fault they are immediately deactivated. I know drivers who have been deactivated for having non fault accident while POB.
my friend sorry to hear about this happen to you, please Do take this issue to TFL, report Uber to TFL for not disclosing the passenger details,
 
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