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There are a LOT of drawbacks with CURRENT electric vehicles that make them unsuitable for ridesharing as an income source.

Note I did say CURRENT vehicles and ridesharing as an income source, meaning the future is coming just no yet suitable for serious ridesharing types.



The problems are these:

1: Charging 3 or more times a day equates in a lot of downtime, when Uber's are jocking for position or need to pickup established customers at certain times etc.

2: Battery replacement. Most are warranted for apx 120,000 miles but begin to hold less charge, and thus even more downtime. An average serious ridesharing driver can do 80,000-100,000 miles a year. Reported replacement batteries anywhere from $15,000 -$30,000.

3: Tires on EV's are currently very thin threaded. Drivers of EV's report having tires changed every 20,000 miles! Thats about every two months if ridesharing full time.

4: Damage or repairs, most can't be done locally yet and have to go back to factory.

5: Paxen are animals. EV's tend to have cheaply built things like windows and door handles that easily break. It's because they are trying to save weight thus use thinner, lighter, less durable materials.

6: Cost to entry is high. MIT did a study on ridesharing for a living and don't recommend it, but if you do, only spend $20,000 for vehicles due to the low pay (after costs) and the high mileage one puts on them and the accident factor being much higher driving full time over normal driving.

So even though one may save money on fuel with an EV, it's not good if you can't make any money.

There is another downside with driving too much like ridesharing all day for profit. Accidents, cosmetic damage and tickets. Try as you may your going to have to deal with these issues.

Also one can tend to get, with proper maintenance, about 300,000 miles out of a vehicle before a major repair makes it not worthwhile. .My truck has 450,000 miles (350,000 for Uber) and is 8 years old, can Uber with it another 7 more years. Not bad for $20,000 investment.


What needs to improve for EV's before they can be considered for ridesharing for profit.

1: Quick charge, longer range batteries. (500-800 mile range). Quick charge meaning just as fast as filling a tank with gas. A lot of the fragile and annoying things about EV's, their thin tires, the lousy air conditioning, the thin windows, the regenerative braking, likely will go away with battery improvements.

2: Local repairs with local parts and batteries.

3: Gas stations also have quick chargers.

4: Cost to entry reasonable, $30,000-$40,000 new with a supply of used at around $20,000 to meet low pay ridesharing gives. That they can last for 15 years that Uber allows. Thus matches ICE vehicles and beats them on lower fuel costs.

So not anti-EV, who wouldn't want to save on fuel? Just pointing out facts and letting you know in case your considering.

It's not all roses yet. Almost.
 

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Spoken exactly like someone who's never owned, let alone, driven an EV. You must be an I.C.E. lover.

I've driven EV's for UBER for 4.5yrs..... the tires is the only thing you got remotely correct...... you've got to love high torque..... especially in Atlanta traffic. I'll sacrifice tires in order to quickly merge into traffic safely.
 

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Well I can only give my opinion of the tesla model 3 I rented it for 8 weeks, so I'm not an owner just a rental, first of all it has a range problem, you're not going to get that 270 range trying to drive that car like a sports car trying to high speed merge into traffic and trying to get to your pickup fast that car has to be driven like a hybrid using the regenerative braking are you won't get any of that 270 range I averaging around 220 to 230 MI for the 270 that's listed, that car is flimsy it's made out of lightweight materials, I leaned over center console just so I can adjust the passenger seat and I could hear something cracking, I've never heard anything cracking in any car because I leaned over the console I had to replace one of the tires out of my own pocket costs around $330 at Pep boys, Hertz reimburse me $140 they didn't want to cover it because Pep Boys wanted too much for the tire, charging I don't drive hardcore hours anymore I only do about 8 hours 10 hours a day about 5 days a week, full-time driving you're going to have to maybe recharge that car three times during the day, repairs I didn't own it so obviously I didn't do repairs but I had passengers that had repairs done to their tesla, had a lady who had a small rear end dent in her bumper of her Tesla I saw it cuz it was in her driveway when I dropped her off, repair shop asking $2,000 plus and I'm talking about a small dent, had a guy who had a little side damage in his door he said the car is still drivable any other car would just be a simple repair, he said $5,000 to replace it, had a another person who had their Tesla in for repairs he's been without his Tesla for almost two months, I don't know how the hell you're saving money driving the Tesla I'm just at a loss for words or should I say more words.
 

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I can’t fathom this future of costly battery replacements allowing anyone the freedom a modern vehicle does to do rideshare and many other activities a gas vehicle handles just fine. I do see it as a reduction in freedom. From what I’ve heard Toyota fought it, but in the end has been forced towards rolling out an electric line starting as early as 2025. In doing so they’re actually discarding some pretty great R&D in what I’m starting to think about as the golden age of car ownership. Will we even be able to really work on our own cars soon here, I doubt it.
 

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Spoken exactly like someone who's never owned, let alone, driven an EV. You must be an I.C.E. lover.

I've driven EV's for UBER for 4.5yrs..... the tires is the only thing you got remotely correct...... you've got to love high torque..... especially in Atlanta traffic. I'll sacrifice tires in order to quickly merge into traffic safely.
Two Uber friends, two Tesla's and guess what?

They are not using them for ridesharing any more.

One friend quit, tried to sell me his used car, I wisely waited as it was hype then without any hard evidence.

The other rented and quit after a month and bought himself a $15,000 used ICE machine to Uber with.

I started with a $20,000 used ICE, put 350,000 miles on it and it's still going strong.

I have $60,000 saved over 4 years just from Ubering for my replacement vehicle. The truck offers 5 star rated safety protection. EV eggshells do not.

If I wanted torque, I would buy a used Police Interceptor Crown Victorian if I could find one, lots of room for paxen and luggage. Drove one as a taxi, wonderful machine. Couldn't help stomping on the gas because she had ass. 😄

If one has the money, whatever. Its not for those trying to make money from ridesharing as a living/income source etc.

Soon though, just now they are in the model T stage. 😆
 

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Two Uber friends, two Tesla's and guess what?

They are not using them for ridesharing any more.

One friend quit, tried to sell me his used car, I wisely waited as it was hype then without any hard evidence.

The other rented and quit after a month and bought himself a $15,000 used ICE machine to Uber with.

I started with a $20,000 used ICE, put 350,000 miles on it and it's still going strong.

I have $60,000 saved over 4 years just from Ubering for my replacement vehicle. The truck offers 5 star rated safety protection. EV eggshells do not.

If I wanted torque, I would buy a used Police Interceptor Crown Victorian if I could find one, lots of room for paxen and luggage. Drove one as a taxi, wonderful machine. Couldn't help stomping on the gas because she had ass. 😄

If one has the money, whatever. Its not for those trying to make money from ridesharing as a living/income source etc.

Soon though, just now they are in the model T stage. 😆
Tesla isn't the only EV on the market...... actually it is the worst example as far as upfront cost and post purchase cost.

I purchased a Kia Niro EV Premium EX for roughly $35k tax tag and title brand new after tax rebates. It comes with a 10yr/100k warranty (better than Tesla). I pay Roughly $730 per month in finance payments including full coverage insurance ($250 deductible). It gets a minimum of 250 miles but can get 310+ miles per charge if i do what is called hyper-mile it. I typically only charge it to 90% and get 265 miles on average. I've got nearly 80k miles on the odometer currently and so far no noticeble degradation on the battery capacity/ range. The only maintenance cost for me thus far (collectively throughout the 80k miles) is $65 cabin air filter, about $36 worth of window washer fluid refill and I've replaced my tires 3x since new at about $650 each time with road hazard warranty and FREE rotate/balance. Basically there is no routine maintenance for my EV.

When I charge from home it costs me a maximum of $6.40 for a full charge if I charge during peak most costly
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daylight hours...... on the flip side it costs me a maximum of $.64 (yes 64 cents) to get between 250-300 miles of range if I charge to 100% from 0% at home between 11pm-7am (super off peak time). If I charge publicly in the metro Atlanta area it is either FREE (30% of public charging stations are FREE) or is a maximum of $12 to super charge from zero to 80% in 30 minutes or less (level 3 fast charge) but an EV is never on zero or it wouldn't be at the charging station. Typically it cost no more tax $8 to top it off from 10% charge (that would add roughly 210-230 miles). Additionally, you get use the HOV lanes as a single occupant and most Toll roads give reduced or free access (at least state of Georgia Peach Pass does).

I honestly don't know how you make any money driving for UBER with a Gas vehicle when you factor in cost of finance, insurance, gas, and general maintenence in contrast to what I'm paying.
 

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Spoken exactly like someone who's never owned, let alone, driven an EV. You must be an I.C.E. lover.

I've driven EV's for UBER for 4.5yrs..... the tires is the only thing you got remotely correct...... you've got to love high torque..... especially in Atlanta traffic. I'll sacrifice tires in order to quickly merge into traffic safely.
How much battery life is left?

How much to replace the batteries?

Who is gonna buy your car when the batteries are useless?
 

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@ObeyTheNumbers is a fairly intelligent person who makes some good posts. However, it's obsessive posts regarding electric cars are always inaccurate and full of prejudice. There are situations when an EV can work for RS, and there are situations where they don't.

I have about 100K RS miles on a pure EV and it has worked out splendidly. My operating costs are minimal and I make $1 extra per fare on Uber
 

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People have been predicting this for decades. And they've been largely wrong for decades.
1938 indian chief motorcycle....

I've rebuilt the engine 4 times since 1990, in spite of only being able ride it since 2008. It keeps bouncing between family members and getting engine rebuiilds.


My 2005 dodge neon...

One time the engine was going to shit every time it exceeded 3,000 RPM, the engine sounded like I was reving it while the pedal was to the metal and losing power. Then when it went under 3,000 RPM it was like I slammed the gas pedal. I damn near wrecked tryng to pull over. Entirely counter intuitive to get a huge burst of power while my engine was going down in RPM. I couldn't express in words what was the problem and I had zero clue what was causing it. Turned out to be a sensor. I had to pay $300 for a tow to get a $25 sensor replaced.


2010 ford focus...

I can't even get the ****ing i-phone paired to the sound system.
 

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The tread wear has nothing to do with the sound. It is the torque that wears out the tires like you are a teenager with a lead foot.
The tread wear has nothing to do with the sound. It is the torque that wears out the tires like you are a teenager with a lead foot.
I checked the story i read and i was mistaken. The author was speculating about ideas and i only read a tweeted excerpt.

My apologies.
 

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I honestly don't know how you make any money driving for UBER with a Gas vehicle when you factor in cost of finance, insurance, gas, and general maintenance in contrast to what I'm paying.
When I'm busy I'm doing 800 miles a day, long trips in my area are ideal as we get paid for returning unlike elsewhere. I would have to give up a lot of good trips to run home to charge.

If it was profitable to do short trips around a charging station, but it's not.

Then there is a problem where the only charger in town is often hogged up with a bunch of Tesla's waiting for their turn.

Not a bad EV vehicle you have though, just not big enough for 6+ luggage which is what I need.
 

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There are a LOT of drawbacks with CURRENT electric vehicles that make them unsuitable for ridesharing as an income source.
"CURRENT electric vehicles," no pun intended.

The Bolt battery at the dealer costs $17,000 to replace or $0.14 per mile, if it fails 1 mile after the warranty expires. Add 3 cents for home-charged electricity, and you are getting the equivalent of 25 miles per gallon with $5 gas.
 

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"CURRENT electric vehicles," no pun intended.

The Bolt battery at the dealer costs $17,000 to replace or $0.14 per mile, if it fails 1 mile after the warranty expires. Add 3 cents for home-charged electricity, and you are getting the equivalent of 25 miles per gallon with $5 gas.
But the downtime charging and replacing tires & battery not worth it for serious ridesharing.

Still no serious 6 seater plus luggage room option, with decent range or quick charging like in a few minutes.

Got a new solid battery that may be good, still 5-6 years before major production and seeing it in new cars.

So I guess it's a another ICE machine this go around.
 

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When I'm busy I'm doing 800 miles a day
How fast are you driving?

In Chicago, we average ~20 mph with speed cameras, stops, stoplights, traffic, & downtime. So it takes me about 40 hours a day to get my 800 miles in. The suburbs may be different, but I do not seem to make any money out there.

In five years, there should be plenty of used Chevy Equinox EVs.
 
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