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If you have not read chi1cabby, post re Australia | Uber's Insurance Policy chi1cabby, Mar 17, 2015 I would strongly advise that you do so ASAP.

The above is the most critical piece of information for any driver or those considering signing up as a driver.

I would strongly advise everyone not to carry children with or without their parents, or with parental consent, at any time, under the age of 18. I always ask the question, (and it is fairly obvious if they are in school uniform), if in doubt ask for ID, (yep there is fake stuff, just be smart) explain to them why and get them to cancel the trip or you cancel it and move on.

If Uber bring in their "Uber Family" to Australia, as they have in the States, you would have be off your rocker, insane or just plain stupid if you sign up under Ubers Insurance Policy or lack of. . plz read above post on insurance.

Uber drivers are picking up families with young children on the weekends and they do not have car seats for them. You cannot tell me that if something happened to a child whilst in a Uber , that the parents will not only go after Uber with guns blazing, they will also be looking for drivers blood, a body which they will carve up into a zillion pieces, and then send the remains to burn in hell. Can you really afford that to happen to your life, your future, and your family??

What happens if a child goes missing or is a runaway and you are the last contact point ???

Child restraints

All children must be safely fastened in the correct child car seat for their age and size. A child who is properly secured in an approved child car seat is less likely to be injured or killed in a car crash than one who is not.

See the Child Car Seats website for detailed information.
https://www.childcarseats.com.au/legal-requirements

National child restraint laws

  • Children up to the age of six months must be secured in an approved rearward facing restraint
  • Children aged from six months old but under four years old must be secured in either a rear or forward facing approved child restraint with an inbuilt harness
  • Children under four years old cannot travel in the front seat of a vehicle with two or more rows
  • Children aged from four years old but under seven years old must be secured in a forward facing approved child restraint with an inbuilt harness or an approved booster seat
  • Children aged from four years old but under seven years old cannot travel in the front seat of a vehicle with two or more rows, unless all other back seats are occupied by children younger than seven years in an approved child restraint or booster seat
  • Children aged from seven years old but under 16 years old who are too small to be restrained by a seatbelt properly adjusted and fastened are strongly recommended to use an approved booster seat
  • Children in booster seats must be restrained by a suitable lap and sash type approved seatbelt that is properly adjusted and fastened, or by a suitable approved child safety harness that is properly adjusted and fastened.
Seriously are you going to carry a range of car seats in your boot for every age/size group if you sign up for Uber Family?

This would include the following:

· Children aged less than 6 months: approved rearward facing restraint

· Children aged 6-12 months: approved rearward or forward facing restraint

· Children 4+ years: Approved forward facing child car seat or booster seat.

Are there fines for not wearing a seatbelt? New South Wales Law

There are seatbelt penalties and demerit points for drivers, including taxi drivers, who do not wear a seatbelt or who fail to ensure their passengers use seatbelts, where available. Passengers aged 16 years and older who do not use an available seatbelt will also be fined. Drivers of a motor vehicle (except a bus) are also responsible for passengers under 16 years old to be properly restrained in seatbelts or approved child restraints.

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/seatbelts.html
 

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From: https://www.uber.com/legal/usa/terms

USER REQUIREMENTS AND CONDUCT.
The Service is not available for use by persons under the age of 18. You may not authorize third parties to use your Account, and you may not allow persons under the age of 18 to receive transportation or logistics services from Third Party Providers unless they are accompanied by you.
Do we have something like this in Australia
 

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QLD;
Taxis are exempt from the child/toddler seat issue, a parent can ride with a toddler in a taxi with no child seat.
Hire cars and Limousines are different, they need the child seat installed to transport infants legally.
UBER private cars need proper baby/toddler and/or booster depending on age and correctly installed. Acording to UBER terms of service agreement. The app and service is not for under 18yrs unless accompanied by parent or guardian. UBER have openly said on there facebook page children can ride if the Pax bring their own child seat, you've then got to be competent with installing it correctly and removing it upon exit all for $1.20p/km NOT WORTH IT

The equivient of HC licensing accreditation (not operators accreditation) in QLD doesn't mean your automatically and routinely checked in the database for criminal offences unless you drive for an accredited operator in which their obligated to notify TMR in which your then added to the roving random checks.
 

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We really need to have regular clarification of certain rules. Some of this has got past me... :oops:

I do know there's adifference b/w taxi rules and HC rules in Victoria. I'm just looking at them.
They're in the 'Hire Car Knowledge' PDF (from the Taxi Service Commission).

http://www.taxi.vic.gov.au/__data/a...843/Knowledge-Handbook-Driving-a-Hire-Car.pdf

http://www.taxi.vic.gov.au/__data/a...andbook-General-Understanding-For-Drivers.pdf

The question is, whre do we fit in? And are we taxis, or HCs? o_O Or a blend of the two? :confused:
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In NSW there is confusion where Car Seats are required in Public vehicles for kids under 7yrs.

TAXIS DO NOT require car restraints or boosters for kids! Go figure

Hire Cars do need to have approved seats.

I've turned up to many Black bookings where Parents assume I'm going to allow an unrestrained or badly belted kid to ride. Comments like "every other Uber driver was OK with it" or "there won't be a problem" get me really angry.

I quietly tell them that I have way too much to lose to take on such a risk, and those drivers who do break the laws are simply stupid, desperate for the fare or have nothing invested in remaining in this country if things go bad.

I've had arguments with Parents. Once the attitude comes on, there is no way I'd risk a bad rating and cancel.

I carry a booster most of the time and sometimes a child seat (doing pre-bookings where I charge between $5-$10 for its supply).

A Solicitor made this point too me. He said why would ANY "Professional" driver break laws that puts children at risk of injury, making the driver liable for a incorrect service request sent to them by a offshore based company known to have no regard for the law? All this and no extra payment if you do help out.
 

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...-to-move-kids-around-town-20150310-story.html

"But while Uber is reaping profits from transporting unaccompanied children, it isn't designed to. Despite the recent launch of UberFamily, which allows parents to order cars equipped with car seats and provides tablets for entertainment, the company's terms and conditions state that individuals under 18 are not permitted to use the service if they're not riding with an adult. Minors are also prohibited from opening accounts."

"Many parents interviewed - who said they had no idea about the ban on kids under 18"


Another article

http://www.washingtonian.com/blogs/...r-to-start-offering-cars-with-child-seats.php
 

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In NSW there is confusion where Car Seats are required in Public vehicles for kids under 7yrs.

TAXIS DO NOT require car restraints or boosters for kids! Go figure

Hire Cars do need to have approved seats.

I've turned up to many Black bookings where Parents assume I'm going to allow an unrestrained or badly belted kid to ride. Comments like "every other Uber driver was OK with it" or "there won't be a problem" get me really angry.

I quietly tell them that I have way too much to lose to take on such a risk, and those drivers who do break the laws are simply stupid, desperate for the fare or have nothing invested in remaining in this country if things go bad.

I've had arguments with Parents. Once the attitude comes on, there is no way I'd risk a bad rating and cancel.

I carry a booster most of the time and sometimes a child seat (doing pre-bookings where I charge between $5-$10 for its supply).

A Solicitor made this point too me. He said why would ANY "Professional" driver break laws that puts children at risk of injury, making the driver liable for a incorrect service request sent to them by a offshore based company known to have no regard for the law? All this and no extra payment if you do help out.
Agreed. I stupidly accepted a rider with a young child (not sure of the age but only a few years old at a guess). The mother (I presume) said the child was sick (I think they had just visited the doctor) and was too upset to be transported in any other way than in her arms. The mother didn't even want to wear a seatbelt herself. She had a European accent (perhaps Spanish?) which may explain her lax attitude towards restraints.

I should have canned the trip there and then. But I stupidly felt sorry for them and insisted instead that she put the belt around both her AND the child. She very reluctantly agreed but used the "every other Uber driver was OK with it" line on me. Grrrrr.

In hindsight? Never, ever, EVER again. Not without the correct capsules, booster seats, seatbelts etc.

For me, lesson learned. Hopefully others will read this and save themselves the grief because I shudder everything I think about this incident and the risk I placed them in by transporting the child this way. Yes, it's tough love to say "No!" but better for them to be told the correct, lawful thing to do than potentially lose their child and then top it off by blaming me. K*
 

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Agreed. I stupidly accepted a rider with a young child (not sure of the age but only a few years old at a guess). The mother (I presume) said the child was sick (I think they had just visited the doctor) and was too upset to be transported in any other way than in her arms. The mother didn't even want to wear a seatbelt herself. She had a European accent (perhaps Spanish?) which may explain her lax attitude towards restraints.

I should have canned the trip there and then. But I stupidly felt sorry for them and insisted instead that she put the belt around both her AND the child. She very reluctantly agreed but used the "every other Uber driver was OK with it" line on me. Grrrrr.

In hindsight? Never, ever, EVER again. Not without the correct capsules, booster seats, seatbelts etc.

For me, lesson learned. Hopefully others will read this and save themselves the grief because I shudder everything I think about this incident and the risk I placed them in by transporting the child this way. Yes, it's tough love to say "No!" but better for them to be told the correct, lawful thing to do than potentially lose their child and then top it off by blaming me. K*
I have a story too, but yours trumps it, so maybe I'll bore people with it later...
(or maybe I already did? In a Brisbane thread? Over a month back? I forget). :confused:

Anyway, I'll leave this link here for VICTORIAN DRIVERS... Victorian drivers read these posts too... at least I do. :)

http://www.taxi.vic.gov.au/__data/a...843/Knowledge-Handbook-Driving-a-Hire-Car.pdf

Yeah, this was for VICTORIAN DRIVERS... Victorian drivers, go to sect. 3.4, take a peek... :D

Everyone wears a seatbelt. Otherwise it's an offense.
It's the drivers responsibility to ensure people do.
One person per seatbelt. No doubling up allowed.

Victorian taxis are exempt from child car seat requirements,
hire cars are not. Like what Sydney Uber said about NSW...
UberX cars are private cars, so follow normal law to stay legal.

As for transporting passengers under 18 on UberX...
that's a whole other thing.... how can you pick 'em?
Some kids look 18 to me. But how do you know? o_O

We need proper insurance, like the taxis/HCs have...
or else UberX drivers are going to cop it big-time! :eek:

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Excuse me for cutting into this thread.
Thelma & Louise (T&L) said:
Below link to child killed in the US by a Uber driver.
That child was not in the Uber car. She was hit by the car.

UberPlates . . . If you are unsure about the age, ask to see an ID that shows their birthdate. No ID? No ride.

JM2cW
 

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UberPlates . . . If you are unsure about the age, ask to see an ID that shows their birthdate. No ID? No ride.
Yeah, you're right UberNorthStar...
It's tricky though, sometimes you drive a fair way just to get to the pickup point, only to find this situation. So if you say 'no ride', you have used up precious time, and have burnt up fuel in the process. You are kinda caught. Do I say 'yes' and maybe land myself in strife, or do I say 'no' and then possibly cop abuse and maybe a bad report to Uber? You can't win.

As for the Sofia Liu case, it is very sad. I already read about it online somewhere, and on UP (can't find it now). Not only was she killed, but her brother was struck too. That's all I want to write about it, but everyone should know about that case. If you don't know the case, look it up.

I crack dumb jokes on this forum a lot, but I have a serious side too, and keeping that in mind, if anyone is driving while tired, or not alert enough, or just not with it, either pull over and nap, or get out of the car and freshen up. Driving is a more dangerous occupation than most people want to admit, don't make it any more dangerous by going about it the wrong way...

I grew up in the bush, and have seen road fatalities up close, one that involved unsecured passengers. I've also been on the scene of a horrific vehicle-pedestrian accident in the Newcastle area one time, and had to assist. Believe me, you never forget it...

Sorry to bring this thread down, probably getting off-topic, but I think that it doesn't hurt to be reminded about this stuff sometimes.

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But then I will lose precious boot room for luggage on airport runs which I sometimes do a few of in a day for something I will do less that once in a hundred.
Actually decided to get two of the simple booster seats (no back) as I've had a few trips with small kids now and they've been pretty good fares usually. Luckily I have a huge boot so I should be able to fit these in with no problems and still have ample room for airport runs.

I hate the idea of knocking back fares (especially ones that have ended up well over $50) just because they have a kid <7, but equally hate the idea of getting done by the cops for it.

They were $57 for the two including delivery so one good fare will cover the cost.
 
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