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If they guarantee you a minimum, you can be pretty sure that's pretty much all you're gonna get.

Let's say they randomly say it's $19 an hour (optomistic). I'd bet a weeks pay you'd never make more than $22-23 an hour.

With no guarantees I can earn $25/hr AFTER depreciation, maintenance, gas, tires, brakes repairs etc. Long term average. On some nights I can earn $60+ per hour.

If they guarantee you a wage, they will redistribute the way they are paying out and you can bet your sweet butt the top end will dissapear.

Leave me alone and leave everything just the way it is. If you're not making money at this, you don't know how to do it. Or where, or when to do it.
 

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When I first started Uber I made $500 to $600 a day so about $400 net on average in 8 hours. I think $1.25 a mile and $0.30 a minute would be a good place to start. Then a 2% increase every year.
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Uber should just go all in with the w-2 model, give the kooks what they want. This idea you cant be profitable company exploiting w-2 workers is a joke, look at wal mart. They could really raise prices 3 to 4 times keep 75% or so and get rid of all independence, hire only 29 hours a week to avoid paying health care. So you pay 15 bucks an hour, raise the rates keep most of it. Lets think of a crowded concert, now driver gets 75% or so, but all they would be obligated to pay is min wage plus mileage, now with IC status youll get 25 bucks or more for a half hour surge 5 mile ride, with w2 youll get 7.50 plus 1.50 a mile and be forced to pickup a 4.1 loon for 9 bucks. This is not counting all the miles you'll have to eat on a shift far away from home with no destination filter. Some will say No one will use uber if they raise the rates so much and keep most, but no App is built better than uber, huge advantage try using some of those garbage can taxi apps.

California is a mess and perhaps Uber should play hardball and leave like Elon musk did, or introduce the w-2 nightmare upon drivers?
 

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SF and north bay we get 69 cents a mile and 29 cents a minute. I would love to have your pay.
I never chime in on the whole waiting for a customer discussion. At .29 a minute to wait you can make $18 an hour to send dick picks to @Direwolfismyspiritanimal while some fool sleeps through their alarm.
 

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Then please enlighten us as to what every million dollar a year lawyer has missed in the IRS code for the past 15 years.
There's no real code, that's the problem. It's full of conditional terms such as "maybe" and "could be", and it's probably no accident that the loopholes are big enough for an aircraft carrier to fit through.

Major reform is badly needed.
 

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Uber should just go all in with the w-2 model, give the kooks what they want. This idea you cant be profitable company exploiting w-2 workers is a joke, look at wal mart. They could really raise prices 3 to 4 times keep 75% or so and get rid of all independence, hire only 29 hours a week to avoid paying health care. So you pay 15 bucks an hour, raise the rates keep most of it. Lets think of a crowded concert, now driver gets 75% or so, but all they would be obligated to pay is min wage plus mileage, now with IC status youll get 25 bucks or more for a half hour surge 5 mile ride, with w2 youll get 7.50 plus 1.50 a mile and be forced to pickup a 4.1 loon for 9 bucks. This is not counting all the miles you'll have to eat on a shift far away from home with no destination filter. Some will say No one will use uber if they raise the rates so much and keep most, but no App is built better than uber, huge advantage try using some of those garbage can taxi apps.

California is a mess and perhaps Uber should play hardball and leave like Elon musk did, or introduce the w-2 nightmare upon drivers?
Employee-drivers would be a disaster for Uber, which is why they've fought furiously against it since day one.

There's a limit to how much Uber could raise their prices, especially given the competition they'd get from new employee-driver rideshare companies that would start in CA.

The lack of health insurance for their employee-drivers could very well become a serious obstacle for attracting drivers, especially given the likelihood of new competition entering the CA market. So could the various draconian scenarios you stated such as requiring drivers to work a zillion miles from their homes.

In the absence of Covid, surge means nothing to the majority of drivers because most drivers don't benefit from surges. Surge is designed to be exclusionary. It rapidly evaporates as drivers enter a surge zone, which means only the early birds will get surge pay, shutting out the majority of drivers. This is one of the major flaws in Uber's business model.

The same principle applies to Uber's various "promotions", which get slashed by Uber as drivers start collecting them.

California is a mess and perhaps Uber should play hardball and leave like Elon musk did, or introduce the w-2 nightmare upon drivers?
Uber didn't pull out of NYC and they won't leave CA either.

If CA is a mess it's because of Prop 22. Had Prop 22 been defeated, Uber would have been forced to come to the bargaining table from a position of major weakness. They'd have no choice but to agree to major concessions that would have been irrevocable by them.

But because Prop 22 won, Uber was able to take away all the positive changes.

In the absence of govt intervention, no positive changes made by these companies will be safe from being taken away at the first opportunity.
 

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Employee-drivers would be a disaster for Uber, which is why they've fought furiously against it since day one.

There's a limit to how much Uber could raise their prices, especially given the competition they'd get from new employee-driver rideshare companies that would start in CA.

The lack of health insurance for their employee-drivers could very well become a serious obstacle for attracting drivers, especially given the likelihood of new competition entering the CA market. So could the various draconian scenarios you stated such as requiring drivers to work a zillion miles from their homes.

In the absence of Covid, surge means nothing to the majority of drivers because most drivers don't benefit from surges. Surge is designed to be exclusionary. It rapidly evaporates as drivers enter a surge zone, which means only the early birds will get surge pay, shutting out the majority of drivers. This is one of the major flaws in Uber's business model.

The same principle applies to Uber's various "promotions", which get slashed by Uber as drivers start collecting them.


Uber didn't pull out of NYC and they won't leave CA either.

If CA is a mess it's because of Prop 22. Had Prop 22 been defeated, Uber would have been forced to come to the bargaining table from a position of major weakness. They'd have no choice but to agree to major concessions that would have been irrevocable by them.

But because Prop 22 won, Uber was able to escape and went and took away all of the changes they made.

In the absence of govt intervention, no positive changes made by these companies will be safe from being taken away at the first opportunity.
 

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Again, tens of thousands of companies make millions exploiting w-2 workers from mcdonalds to amazon, Uber somehow couldn't? Its not that easy to start a rideshare company it costs 10 of millions to develop an app, then you need millions of downloads on ios/android then you need millions more to buy insurance, most companies don't have the resources to do so. Uber and Lyft could easily charge 2001 taxi rates and keep most of the cut and California has so much unemployment and poverty people will line up to drive for 15 bucks an hour running their cars into the ground on a shift.
 

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Again, tens of thousands of companies make millions exploiting w-2 workers from mcdonalds to amazon, Uber somehow couldn't? Its not that easy to start a rideshare company it costs 10 of millions to develop an app, then you need millions of downloads on ios/android then you need millions more to buy insurance, most companies don't have the resources to do so. Uber and Lyft could easily charge 2001 taxi rates and keep most of the cut and California has so much unemployment and poverty people will line up to drive for 15 bucks an hour running their cars into the ground on a shift.
This post makes no sense and contradicts itself.
 

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Why would anyone want to be an employee of Uber? They would tell you when to drive, which trips you have to take, how long to wait, when you can take a break, and they would pay you the lowest amount possible, so no more profitable Saturday nights. You would lose the best part about driving for Uber, all for a low hourly rate. If that’s what you want, move to China.
 

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Why would anyone want to be an employee of Uber? They would tell you when to drive, which trips you have to take, how long to wait, when you can take a break, and they would pay you the lowest amount possible, so no more profitable Saturday nights. You would lose the best part about driving for Uber, all for a low hourly rate. If that’s what you want, move to China.
Basically.

They want to be able to get up at 9am and drive 'til 5pm Monday through Friday, and make just as much as us who grind it out Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night.

Sorry, but I won't subsidize laziness with my hard work.
 

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If they guarantee you a minimum, you can be pretty sure that's pretty much all you're gonna get.

Let's say they randomly say it's $19 an hour (optomistic). I'd bet a weeks pay you'd never make more than $22-23 an hour.

With no guarantees I can earn $25/hr AFTER depreciation, maintenance, gas, tires, brakes repairs etc. Long term average. On some nights I can earn $60+ per hour.

If they guarantee you a wage, they will redistribute the way they are paying out and you can bet your sweet butt the top end will dissapear.

Leave me alone and leave everything just the way it is. If you're not making money at this, you don't know how to do it. Or where, or when to do it.
It is not a minimum hourly wage it is a minimum mile and minute wage that considers your expense such as gas and insurance and maintenance.
 

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It is not a minimum hourly wage it is a minimum mile and minute wage that considers your expense such as gas and insurance and maintenance.
Understood. Nevertheless, to prop up the bottom, the top must decline. It's the business equivalent of socialism.

If you want to make money with Uber, learn WHEN, WHERE, and HOW to earn the highest earnings. F the ants. I don't drive for less than $25 an hour gross. It took the first two of my four years to perfect it. And people want Uber to boost low earners, undoubtedly at my expense? NO. You want more, do more, learn more, become better! If you're earning less than minimum wage after expenses you should quit. Because you have learned nothing. Nobody hands you anything in life. You have to sweat, bleed, and struggle. I earn what I earn because I have spent thousands of hours perfecting my craft. I earned it. And I pay a shitload in taxes (unlike most drivers) because I'm profitable. I've paid over 5k in estimated tax already this year, and I think my fourth one is gonna have to make up some more lest I be short and pay a penalty in April. THAT is how you do it. Don't ask others how. Experiment. Try something. Try a different place, a different time, a different approach. Figure it out. This is not rocket science. Good customer service, good manners and a smile helps too.
 

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It is not a minimum hourly wage it is a minimum mile and minute wage that considers your expense such as gas and insurance and maintenance.
Ya okay. Hahahahahaha

"They're gonna write this law so smart, it considers everything so you make so many gadzoodles more than minimum hourly wage. All those millionaire and billionaire lawmakers are sure gonna stick it to those millionaire and billionaire campaign donors!
 

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Ya okay. Hahahahahaha

"They're gonna write this law so smart, it considers everything so you make so many gadzoodles more than minimum hourly wage. All those millionaire and billionaire lawmakers are sure gonna stick it to those millionaire and billionaire campaign donors!
They did this in Seattle and New York and it is working just fine. So yes it is in motion and it will most likely be the new model nation wide.
 

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Understood. Nevertheless, to prop up the bottom, the top must decline. It's the business equivalent of socialism.

If you want to make money with Uber, learn WHEN, WHERE, and HOW to earn the highest earnings. F the ants. I don't drive for less than $25 an hour gross. It took the first two of my four years to perfect it. And people want Uber to boost low earners, undoubtedly at my expense? NO. You want more, do more, learn more, become better! If you're earning less than minimum wage after expenses you should quit. Because you have learned nothing. Nobody hands you anything in life. You have to sweat, bleed, and struggle. I earn what I earn because I have spent thousands of hours perfecting my craft. I earned it. And I pay a shitload in taxes (unlike most drivers) because I'm profitable. I've paid over 5k in estimated tax already this year, and I think my fourth one is gonna have to make up some more lest I be short and pay a penalty in April. THAT is how you do it. Don't ask others how. Experiment. Try something. Try a different place, a different time, a different approach. Figure it out. This is not rocket science. Good customer service, good manners and a smile helps too.
This is simple change is on the way the workers are going to get more money simply because change is in the air. Small work forces in history such as our current labor pool always prevail. Strikes are the new thing and companies and governments are noticing.
 
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