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State Senator Jerry Hill (D-San Mateo) has introduced Senate Bill 625, which would require buses, limousines, and cabs that allow cannabis use to provide drivers with a sealed, separate ventilated space. Drivers who test positive for marijuana could lose their commercial license.
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"buses, limousines, and cabs"
can TNC Drivers Be far behind?

About time.
 
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State Senator Jerry Hill (D-San Mateo) has introduced Senate Bill 625, which would require buses, limousines, and cabs that allow cannabis use to provide drivers with a sealed, separate ventilated space. Drivers who test positive for marijuana could lose their commercial license.

"buses, limousines, and cabs"
can TNC Drivers Be far behind?

About time.
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Seeing as how states that legalized medical use saw a decline in traffic fatalities and injuries, and the fact that virtually no traffic fatalities and injuries have been attributed exclusively to marijuana use, this bill is a step in the right direction. But more needs to be done to force acknowledgement of the fact that the marijuana use simply is not even remotely a significant PRIMARY contributor to traffic violations, accidents, injuries, and/or fatalities.

This statement is consistent throughout all studies:

"In the introduction of its report, the Rocky Mountain HIDTA states that terms such as "marijuana-related" or "tested positive for marijuana" do "not necessarily prove that marijuana was the cause of the incident." The section on "Impaired Driving" also states that, when it comes to traffic fatalities, "marijuana-related" entails "any time marijuana shows up in the toxicology report [of drivers]. It could be marijuana only or marijuana with other drugs and/or alcohol.""

Since many in politics and ATF officials, and their corporate backers (primarily alcohol and tobacco manufacturers), have long held significant prejudices against marijuana and its users, the data is always bound up in epic struggles to provide and endorse truly unbiased studies and education.

I've read all of these and the same is true throughout: marijuana, when present, is very nearly always found alongside alcohol and other substances. And because marijuana lingers in a users system for months after even a single hefty bong toke it further complicates accurate data collection. This is why prohibition is so stupid: it makes it nearly impossible to collect genuinely accurate information on effects.





THERE does appear to be a difference between medical and recreational legalization and their effects. This likely is the result of people using it medicinally being familiar with the drug whereas those in recreationally approved states have significantly more first time users partaking:


Compare the above to the spin in more traditional media:

"There is no nationally accepted method for testing drivers, and the number of drugs to test for is large. Different drugs also have different effects on drivers. And there is no definitive data linking drugged driving to crashes."



Try as they might, reports like these reveal that marijuana is the bit player in traffic incidents:

 
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Bullshit. Stoners are the safest drivers on the road. They drive so slow and careful.
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Perhaps if that's the only thing in their system.

The studies I posted seem to concur, however begrudgingly. In all of them you can see how some people desperately want the narrative to say otherwise. It's utterly bizarre how extreme the prejudice against pot smokers is despite the fact that almost everything else in this world is more lethal.
 
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Since many in politics and ATF officials, and their corporate backers (primarily alcohol and tobacco manufacturers), have long held significant prejudices against marijuana and its users, the data is always bound up in epic struggles to provide and endorse truly unbiased studies and education.
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The po-po where I live will not use the roadside THC testing systems available, because they are concerned about it being totally inaccurate and court cases being thrown out as a result. Can't say that I blame them either. The police are the biggest organized criminal gang on the planet besides government, and they need their bogeyman to be performing front and centre for funding purposes at budget time..

I'm in Canada and the hysteria up here from some was equivalent to the movie "Reefer Madness" when we legalized pot. Of course, the utter wholesale carnage and death that was supposed to occur everywhere, just didn't happen. In fact, it took 5 months for someone to finally be charged with DUI for using weed in the country, and as she was found not to be impaired by officers using a 12 step analysis at the police station immediately after, this will probably get thrown out of court.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...-to-challenge-roadside-testing-laws-1.5083114
 
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Seeing as how states that legalized medical use saw a decline in traffic fatalities and injuries, and the fact that virtually no traffic fatalities and injuries have been attributed exclusively to marijuana use, this bill is a step in the right direction. But more needs to be done to force acknowledgement of the fact that the marijuana use simply is not even remotely a significant PRIMARY contributor to traffic violations, accidents, injuries, and/or fatalities.

This statement is consistent throughout all studies:

"In the introduction of its report, the Rocky Mountain HIDTA states that terms such as "marijuana-related" or "tested positive for marijuana" do "not necessarily prove that marijuana was the cause of the incident." The section on "Impaired Driving" also states that, when it comes to traffic fatalities, "marijuana-related" entails "any time marijuana shows up in the toxicology report [of drivers]. It could be marijuana only or marijuana with other drugs and/or alcohol.""

Since many in politics and ATF officials, and their corporate backers (primarily alcohol and tobacco manufacturers), have long held significant prejudices against marijuana and its users, the data is always bound up in epic struggles to provide and endorse truly unbiased studies and education.

I've read all of these and the same is true throughout: marijuana, when present, is very nearly always found alongside alcohol and other substances. And because marijuana lingers in a users system for months after even a single hefty bong toke it further complicates accurate data collection. This is why prohibition is so stupid: it makes it nearly impossible to collect genuinely accurate information on effects.





THERE does appear to be a difference between medical and recreational legalization and their effects. This likely is the result of people using it medicinally being familiar with the drug whereas those in recreationally approved states have significantly more first time users partaking:


Compare the above to the spin in more traditional media:

"There is no nationally accepted method for testing drivers, and the number of drugs to test for is large. Different drugs also have different effects on drivers. And there is no definitive data linking drugged driving to crashes."



Try as they might, reports like these reveal that marijuana is the bit player in traffic incidents:

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?The unending Stoner Chatty Cathy Story?

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Bullshit. Stoners are the safest drivers on the road. They drive so slow and careful.
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GUESS which is the stoned Uber driver​
 
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yeah, i agree that pot smoking drivers are less likely to cause a crash as they usually drive slower and more carefully and are less distracted but i do think their response time is also slowed dramatically making them less likely to avoid an accident caused by everyday douchbag drivers.
 
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?The unending Stoner Chatty Cathy Story?

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GUESS which is the stoned Uber driver​
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The unending propagandist quips from a guy who obviously didn't read even one of the studies or articles I posted.

If you don't take the time to evaluate the research you lose by default. You do that a lot, I've noticed.

And you didn't provide a link confirming the driver in the video was stoned. Not that it matters much because the studies confirm that such a driver is an extreme outlier and almost certainly had some other substance in their system.

You lose this round as well.

How about an actual argument you can support with a robust body of evidence?

We'll wait. Maybe.
 
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GREEN BAY - A 17-year-old Greenleaf boy admitted to smoking marijuana prior to a crash that killed two people in the town of Glenmore on Monday, a prosecutor says.
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While at the hospital, Gibson "admitted to detectives that she smoked marijuana on the day of the collision but could not provide an exact time," according to court paperwork.
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Driver who smoked marijuana, then blocks later struck and killed pedestrian, gets nearly 4 years
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But then, there are probably more accidents with people who doesn't use marijuana.
 
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People who haven't ingested THC don't know what being "high" really is. They think it makes you crazy and do silly things. Uh, no. That's what pharmaceutical meds and alcohol do to you. THC just relaxes you. Being relaxed and driving is not dangerous. I get paranoid though because I start wondering why the world is so messed up. So I pref NOT being high now because the kind of relaxation I get from THC is not helpful to me.
 
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But then, there are probably more accidents with people who doesn't use marijuana.
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Did you even read these articles?

In the first two there is no mention of other substances like alcohol. What's more is that in both the drivers were speeding excessively, which is usually not common behavior of stoned drivers who tend to go slower when only high. The perp in the first article is 17 and he just flew through a stop. His age group is one of the most dangerous on the roads, even when sober. It's not known when in the day he got high or if it was even a factor. The second article details the fact that the woman responsible didn't have a drivers license. It is also not known when she had gotten high. She made no effort to brake and was going nearly twice the speed limit.

The third article mentions that the victim ran out into the street against a "don't walk" light because she was late for a train.

All three articles are excellent examples of sloppy journalism that jumps to conclusions without enough supporting evidence.

Was pot the primary contributing factor? Based on the information provided it doesn't appear to be. Without the results of toxicology reports we don't know.

Given that there are many who are just chomping at the bit to find any evidence that pot is so dangerous reportage like this is going to be a problem.

The fact is that pot will be a primary contributor in some cases as more and more people get accustomed to legal weed. But given how many people have been smoking pot regularly for decades and that no hard evidence links pot use to traffic accidents, injuries and fatalities there simply is no significant correlation.

Cell phones are killing tens of thousands yearly. Pot will never even come close. More people are and will always be killed by drivers doing almost anything other than being stoned.
 
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The unending propagandist quips from a guy who obviously didn't read even one of the studies or articles I posted.

If you don't take the time to evaluate the research you lose by default. You do that a lot, I've noticed.

And you didn't provide a link confirming the driver in the video was stoned. Not that it matters much because the studies confirm that such a driver is an extreme outlier and almost certainly had some other substance in their system.

You lose this round as well.

How about an actual argument you can support with a robust body of evidence?

We'll wait. Maybe.
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Stoned Boomers love to pontificate.

Neo-Luddites Screaming on the street corners in their tinfoil hates.
Anything to avoid the four letter word: W O R K
 
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Stoned Boomers love to pontificate.

Neo-Luddites Screaming on the street corners in their tinfoil hates.
Anything to avoid the four letter word: W O R K
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Man, they're really scraping the bottom for paid trolls.

You're neither funny, original, witty, or smart. Hell, you don't even qualify as a smart-ass.

Luddites were/are opposed to tech that gets rid of their jobs, so your equivalency in this regard is as false as your girlfriend's teeth.

Your tinfoil "hate?" About as intimidating as a tinfoil tiger.

And my parents are Boomers, brain trust, not I.

The next time you fly a paper plane make sure you're sitting in it.
 
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State Senator Jerry Hill (D-San Mateo) has introduced Senate Bill 625, which would require buses, limousines, and cabs that allow cannabis use to provide drivers with a sealed, separate ventilated space.
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Follow the money, what custom coach manufacturer is pushing this bill?

Carbuncle said:
Seeing as how states that legalized medical use saw a decline in traffic fatalities and injuries, and the fact that virtually no traffic fatalities and injuries have been attributed exclusively to marijuana use,
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FAKE NEWS! Stoned on weed is driving under the influence and has killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of Americans. Ever attend a DUI checkpoint? LOL
 
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Stoned on weed is driving under the influence and has killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of Americans. Ever attend a DUI checkpoint?
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You don't know that, nor does anyone else, because they don't keep stats. Never have, until legalization started.

And, if they did, and they were true, it would have been a different story trying to get legalization started.

It's 6 month later here in Canada and the media are being forced to report that there is no crisis and that nothing untoward has happened since weed became legal. No late night 7/11 robberies in the junk food aisle, no cases of stomach hernias from uncontrolled laughter at comedy shows, etc. Worst of all though, no motor vehicle issues to speak of. The blood and gore on our roads as envisioned by Madd (and the the po-po) never materialised.

Chicken Little indeed.
 
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Carbuncle said:
Prove it.

Read the links I posted.

Ignore them and concede defeat.
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Stoned Boomers love to pontificate.

Neo-Luddites Screaming on the street corners in their tinfoil hates.
Anything to avoid the four letter word: W O R K
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People don't even know what the definition of work is. Real work is using your God given spirit to do good to others. Everything else is pointless motion.
 
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