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Now if you actually read the article instead of just paraphrasing it wrong a security company already stated that it's theoretically possible if a lot of things happened physically. But it has never been done and the it was code for just pairing with an Apple Watch.

But let's keep the tin foil hats on just in case right?
How was Quebec?
Is uber legal there now with no regulations or do we need to start crying?
 

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Now if you actually read the article instead of just paraphrasing it wrong a security company already stated that it's theoretically possible if a lot of things happened physically. But it has never been done and the it was code for just pairing with an Apple Watch.

But let's keep the tin foil hats on just in case right?
"Uber was found to have used internal Apple abilities to tag and track individual iPhones even after they were wiped." Will Srafach

You'll recall the incident where Uber tracked a reporter who had written very critically about Uber business practices. Uber from the get go has been exploiting anything it can. No doubt law enforcement has this ability but that a commercial company can do this is unnerving.

I believe there are still reports from hearings in Congress that haven't been released as yet. Often overlooked is national security, if/when Uber is hacked by terrorists or hostile foreign government. For example, a person working in a high security environment and or financial institution could be unwittingly duped because of a Uber vulnerability that used backdoor "features".

Security experts are warning that attacks on infrastructure are imminent and these apps pose a particular vulnerability. Uber is on hundreds of millions of devices all over the world and the question we must ask, " Can we trust Uber?"
 

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"Uber was found to have used internal Apple abilities to tag and track individual iPhones even after they were wiped." Will Srafach

You'll recall the incident where Uber tracked a reporter who had written very critically about Uber business practices. Uber from the get go has been exploiting anything it can. No doubt law enforcement has this ability but that a commercial company can do this is unnerving.

I believe there are still reports from hearings in Congress that haven't been released as yet. Often overlooked is national security, if/when Uber is hacked by terrorists or hostile foreign government. For example, a person working in a high security environment and or financial institution could be unwittingly duped because of a Uber vulnerability that used backdoor "features".

Security experts are warning that attacks on infrastructure are imminent and these apps pose a particular vulnerability. Uber is on hundreds of millions of devices all over the world and the question we must ask, " Can we trust Uber?"
I would be more worried about your government than Uber. Again there is always security vulnerabilities. And this was an old one. Nothing to do with tracking people. It had to do with enabling uber to communicate to an Apple series 1 watch. Again when you post a link make sure your description isn't self serving. Lowers your credibility.

How was Quebec?
Is uber legal there now with no regulations or do we need to start crying?
Only you should start crying. Actually you never really did stop did you.
 

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Now if you actually read the article instead of just paraphrasing it wrong a security company already stated that it's theoretically possible if a lot of things happened physically. But it has never been done and the it was code for just pairing with an Apple Watch.

But let's keep the tin foil hats on just in case right?
It looks like Karl Marx supplied the headline from the RT article and a link to the article without any of his own comments, just like someone starting a new thread is supposed to. The headline for the RT article did tell the full story; that is in the content. The RT article is reporting on an article from Business Insider that had the headline "Apple gave Uber's app 'unprecedented' access to a secret back door that can record iPhone screens" also does not tell the full story; again that is in the content.

The Business Insider article goes on to say this:
Uber has previously been caught violating the rules of the App Store, and it has a history of pushing boundaries when it comes to building software that may break laws or be unethical.

After Uber was found to have used internal Apple abilities to tag and track individual iPhones even after they were wiped, the former Uber CEO Travis Kalanick was summoned to Apple's headquarters. There, Apple CEO Tim Cook scolded him and, in a private meeting with Kalanick, threatened to pull the Uber app from the App Store, The New York Times reported.​
 

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After Uber was found to have used internal Apple abilities to tag and track individual iPhones even after they were wiped, the former Uber CEO Travis Kalanick was summoned to Apple's headquarters. There, Apple CEO Tim Cook scolded him and, in a private meeting with Kalanick, threatened to pull the Uber app from the App Store, The New York Times reported.​
I was going to mention that but you beat me to it.

Russia Today is the official propaganda arm of the Russian government. I would take anything they say with a huge grain of road-salt.
 

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Russia Today is the official propaganda arm of the Russian government. I would take anything they say with a huge grain of road-salt.
Despite the source of Karl Marx's quote (oh the irony of Karl Marx quoting from a Russian source), the Russia Today article is basically telling the same story as the Business Insider article . I don't think that Russia Today is distorting the story or putting a different spin on it. They don't have as much detail as the Business Insider article but they can't just copy the whole article for copyright reasons.

There is also an article on Gizmodo at https://gizmodo.com/researchers-uber-s-ios-app-had-secret-permissions-that-1819177235 with the same story, except that they have spoken to both Will Strafach, a security researcher and CEO of Sudo Security Group, and to Uber.
 

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I wasn’t insinuating that RT is completely untrustworthy, but rather, that one should view their news items very critically with the possibility that they’re trying to push an agenda...the same as you would the Toronto Star and New York Times which are unabashedly liberal media houses.
 

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I wasn't insinuating that RT is completely untrustworthy, but rather, that one should view their news items very critically with the possibility that they're trying to push an agenda...the same as you would the Toronto Star and New York Times which are unabashedly liberal media houses.
RT is very savvy and strategic in its' reporting and commentary. A good case in point is Chris Hedges, a pulitzer prize winning NYT's foreign correspondent who has reported widely on wars in the Middle East and eastern Europe. RT has given him a huge megaphone with his On Contact weekly show. He has some of the highest ratings in America and Europe. He also writes a weekly Op Ed piece at Truthdig.

RT is also the home of the Keiser Report which has a huge audience on the east and west coast. Keiser Report is rated the highest viewed business program in United States. It is also now available on most Canadian cable networks. Last year cable companies had difficulties meeting the demand for RT programming. The question we have to ask is what are we doing wrong that RT now dominates so much of what is going on in American political culture.

Both of these shows are on our cable networks. Putin is very clever and understands the underlying currents driving populism. Uber in many ways resembles RT in the tactics they both employ. The capitalist agenda has been high jacked and subverted to different ends. We ignore the demise of capitalism, its' replacement we should be planning. Putin understands and is taking advantage of the chaos.

Noam Chomsky is never given any mainstream media time. RT regularly does entire broadcasts of his lectures and ideas. RT is performing a critical part of the self examination we should all be asking our selves. RT's favourite aphorism is, " Question More."
 

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Yes...all news is propaganda
In the '60's there was this idea that you should "do your own thing". It was a reaction to "the man" and an irrational reaction to politics that were unpopular. It took hold among the young baby boomers. Sex, drugs and rock n' roll! It was a catchy phrase that allowed all kinds of alternate interpretations to be seen as legitimate. Out of it emerged all kinds of silliness like new age thinking, alternative medicine and other nonsense. News used to be moderated by news outlets who felt a need to report as accurately as possible and were embarrassed if caught out in bias or falsehood. There was shame and there were consequences. Then, in Europe, some philosophers argued that all discourse was political, manipulative and power based and that all perspectives needed to be taken into account. That's how we got to fake news and massively biased news media. That's how we got to facts and alternate facts.

But it's not all like that and we have to try to hold onto a central idea of truth in the world. It starts with mathematics then science. Those two disciplines can keep us connected to reality and truth. From them we can branch out into social science and learn what we truly are.

There are tools we can use too. A contradiction makes a mockery of an argument. A source that has an obvious motive for bias is suspect. A good track record is a valuable clue to the truth of a source. And other things.

I hate it when people argue that everything is relative. It debases discourse to the point of yelling louder. But worse than that is it opens the doors to the real propagandists: the climate change deniers, the bought politicians and the corporate polluters and exploiters. The greedy, antisocial psychopaths, the lairs, the madmen who, through propaganda rather than policy, gain political power. Then, through our lack of attention and laziness, we pay for letting it slip so badly.
 

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In the '60's there was this idea that you should "do your own thing". It was a reaction to "the man" and an irrational reaction to politics that were unpopular. It took hold among the young baby boomers. Sex, drugs and rock n' roll! It was a catchy phrase that allowed all kinds of alternate interpretations to be seen as legitimate. Out of it emerged all kinds of silliness like new age thinking, alternative medicine and other nonsense. News used to be moderated by news outlets who felt a need to report as accurately as possible and were embarrassed if caught out in bias or falsehood. There was shame and there were consequences. Then, in Europe, some philosophers argued that all discourse was political, manipulative and power based and that all perspectives needed to be taken into account. That's how we got to fake news and massively biased news media. That's how we got to facts and alternate facts.

But it's not all like that and we have to try to hold onto a central idea of truth in the world. It starts with mathematics then science. Those two disciplines can keep us connected to reality and truth. From them we can branch out into social science and learn what we truly are.

There are tools we can use too. A contradiction makes a mockery of an argument. A source that has an obvious motive for bias is suspect. A good track record is a valuable clue to the truth of a source. And other things.

I hate it when people argue that everything is relative. It debases discourse to the point of yelling louder. But worse than that is it opens the doors to the real propagandists: the climate change deniers, the bought politicians and the corporate polluters and exploiters. The greedy, antisocial psychopaths, the lairs, the madmen who, through propaganda rather than policy, gain political power. Then, through our lack of attention and laziness, we pay for letting it slip so badly.
pfft....scientishians, what do they know lol
 
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